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最初由 土鳖虫 发布


随地吐一口痰和不吐一口痰并不化费你的金钱。

随地吐痰不罚款也是造成自己环境的恶化
不随地吐痰也要花精力花钱处理这口痰

[hxp417]

土鳖虫啊, "而现代人类的二氧化碳排放造成的气候变暖只占了整个地球的周期性变暖因素的1%。"

真的么?

[Kent以东首帅哥]

最初由 sable93 发布
为了那个中美都拒绝加入的京都协议每个家庭（household）要多付2000-3000刀一年。不知道这笔钱从哪儿来。
Highway Tax的2.5%用于highway,其他的97.5%用在了public health system.
难怪这路修得这么糟。

这是上班坐车时听广播听来的。

不能只算经济帐, 不算政治账.

环境好了少一个人得病一年也省几万元.

[oread]

Re.1. Some countries irresponsible actions should not be the justification for not doing the right thing. We have to start the change from somewhere, and I think Kyoto Protocol is a long-due step towards proecting our Earth.

Re.2. This is certainly debatable. It is true that the factors attributed to global warming are still under discussion, but the current best answer is, roughly, most of the warming observed over the last 50 years is attributable to human activities. Also the overwhelming majority of scientists and environmentalists OUTSIDE of US agree that greenhouse gas emission is a major threat to our living planet, even those who oppose Kyoto do not usually disagree in this respect, but rather the COST to implement Kyoto Protocol.

On a side note, I'd feel more sympathetic to poorer nations when it comes to protecting the environment, but for the wealthiest nation in the world to ignore such collaborative effort, I can only say "shame on the Bush government!"

最初由 土鳖虫 发布
加拿大贸然加入京都协议确实是欠考虑，理由如下：

1。 大气环境是人类共享的。所以就应该人类共同努力来改善它。打个比方，你为
了建少空气污染，决定不再用火炉而改用昂贵的电炉了。可你的人口比你多十倍的
邻居(美国)却仍然烧火炉，你用什么办法能保证你头上的这片纯净空气能够永远停
留在你的头上而不被美国漂过来的空气污染？所以，加国的努力基本上是作无用功，
但大笔的金钱却要无止境地投入。

2。京都协议主要是基于某些环境科学家们假设的暖房效因对地球环境的影响。可是，
就拿加拿大来说：你觉得今年加国的冬天变暖了吗？现在正有越来越多的科学家对
暖房效因提出质疑，很多科学文献已经指出：地球的周期性变暖再变冷是一个大的
循环周期，基本由地球地貌的变迁和太阳幅射有关，而现代人类的二氧化碳排放造
成的气候变暖只占了整个地球的周期性变暖因素的1%。

[Xiaomimi]

最初由 渐渐 发布
"shame on the Bush government!"

This is a common wishful thinking of non-Americans. Who somehow belived that the problem is just Bush, a stupid President, once he is out, America will be a "nice" country again.

NO, 渐渐, it is not Bush government, it is American people who disagree with you and other liberals.

Don't just visit San Francisco, Seattle, Boston or NY and believe they are America. They are not. They are in fact, part of the "United States of Canada".

Go visit states like Oklahoma, Idaho, or Utah, and go to any towns that are:

1) With less than 50,000 population.
2) not a college town.

People living there are the mainstream of America, they will decide who is going to be the next President and what policy he will hold.

They will fiercely defend their own interest (their 3000 square feet house and their 8-cylinder SUVs). And please don't even dream that they will follow orders or commands from liberals in Kyoto, Paris, or Ottawa. Although they were called "RedNeck", they are in fact, smarter than almost all Canadians, except Albertans.

[土鳖虫]

最初由 hxp417 发布
土鳖虫啊, "而现代人类的二氧化碳排放造成的气候变暖只占了整个地球的周期性变暖因素的1%。"

真的么?

这是CBC上关于京都协议辩论时介绍的。关于温室效应的文献有很多，其实真正的原
因并没有明了。有人做过地球古生代地貌分析说：地球变暖在四十亿年的地球历史
中有过多次，而那时候地球上并没有人类在排放二氧化碳。

所以，对于一个还有争议的科学命题，全世界就投入如此大量的金钱。我听说加国
的初期投资在西部一个省就是1个亿。当然，人类对环境的保护是重要的，但也不能
操之过急，尤其是大气这流动的东西是全人类共享的，仅仅你一国保护，那是作无
用功。

[Kent以东首帅哥]

1%似乎不多, 关键时刻只要多最后一根稻草就能压断骆驼的脊梁.

当然没有人类的时候有多少天灾地难, 现在人也不太清楚.