父母团聚要开征医疗保证金15万

OTTAWA — Elderly immigrants cost the government approximately $3 billion annually in health care, while those over 50 who have worked have never reported earning more than $15,000 a year, figures obtained by Postmedia News suggest.

The figures are contained in a memo produced just three months before the government froze the parent and grandparent stream and introduced a 10-year, multiple entry supervisa that requires visiting relatives to show proof of a year's worth of health insurance as a stopgap measure while Ottawa deals with a huge backlog in applications.

It suggests the government — which isn't shy about favouring economic immigrants — wasn't just trying to be fair as it got rid of the backlog, but that it also has grave concerns about the cost of accepting elderly immigrants given their low earning potential.

Released through access to information and prepared for Immigration Minister Jason Kenney in "response to a request for information regarding the cost of health care to senior immigrants and the contribution that parents and grandparents make to household income," the memo is also raising questions about whether Canada might be moving toward a two-tier health care system for newcomers.

It suggests some 2,712 refugees over the age of 65 cost the government $7.4 million in 2000-2010.

Meanwhile, in 2010 some 5,655 parents and grandparents over the age of 65 arrived in Canada at a cost of about $10,742 per year each for health care.

Based on data collected between 1980 and 2010, Citizenship and Immigration estimates there were about 275,000 immigrant parents and grandparents over 65 living in Canada in 2010 at a cost of nearly $3 billion a year for health care.

The total cost for a newcomer senior who lives to age 85 years was cited at about $160,000.

According to data collected by Citizenship and Immigration between 1980 and 2000, none of the parents and grandparents who arrived in Canada aged 50 or older have reported annual employment earnings that exceed $15,000.

A Commons committee has called already for the controversial supervisa to be made permanent — and last month, the government announced it also was cutting certain health benefits to refugees, which touched off a wave of protest among physicians.

In an interview Thursday, Kenney rejected the notion that Canada was moving toward a two-tiered health care system for immigrants but indicated a premium aimed at defraying health care costs is something the government is considering as it consults with stakeholders in a bid to reform the parent and grandparent stream, which is on hold for two years.

"One idea has been to require families to put down some kind of a health care bond for sponsoring parents or grandparents. They would pay up front for a portion of the health care costs that their parents would use in Canada," he said.

"Family sponsorship is a privilege, not a right. We are committed to family reunification within our system but it has to be linked to our scarce public resources. It's not fair for us to raise taxes on Canadians to pay for future health care costs for folks who've never lived in the country or paid taxes in it."

Outspoken Vancouver-based immigration lawyer Richard Kurland said he thinks $150,000 up front would be reasonable and that many immigrants he's spoken with are more than willing to pay a premium.

He envisions a "hybrid" system that includes a "money" stream for those willing to pay and a "freebie" stream in which provinces — which are responsible for the delivery of health care — tell the federal government how many parents and grandparents they're willing to absorb on the public dime.

Critics, however, see it all as the erosion of family reunification as a key tenet of Canada's immigration system — which they also say is increasingly favouring the rich.

"The level of coverage we are requiring people to buy for their family member who visits and the fact that it all has to be paid for in advance to qualify for the supervisa means effectively there's a huge swath of people in Canada who will no longer be able to even have their parents at their child's bar mitzvah or wedding," Queen's University law professor Sharry Aiken said.

"I'm very concerned about this shift because what it's saying is family reunification is for those who can afford to pay."

NDP immigration critic Jinny Sims added her office gets daily calls from people who have been denied a supervisa, many of them from China, India, Pakistan and the Philippines.

She said she believes any move toward a two-tiered health care system for immigrants would be "so unCanadian" and that parent and grandparent reunification, in particular, has spinoff benefits the government must not overlook.

Parents and grandparents, she said, often assist with childcare, which allows both parents to work. For newcomers from one-child policy countries like China who come through the economic streams favoured by the Conservatives, she said, the freedom to bring parents and grandparents over is a key reason they chose Canada.

"Granting seniors a supervisa . . . is no replacement for family reunification and what every family desires, which is to have their parents or grandparents close to them," Sims said.

Postmedia News has obtained updated figures on the parent and grandparent supervisa poised for release Friday that show an approval rate of about 83 per cent.

Some 4,425 applications have been processed, on average within eight weeks of receipt, since the visa was introduced. Of them, 3,684 were approved, 20 were withdrawn and 741 were denied, mostly because the applicants did not meet the criteria, which require sponsors to have a minimum income of $22,637 if they're single or nearly $60,000 for a family of seven. They must also complete a medical exam and show proof of insurance.

http://www.canada.com/health/Health...ants+pegged+nearly+billion/6639957/story.html

既然是医疗保证金,那就要有保证的医疗服务来对应。万一谁的父母来时交了钱,但真的有什么需要的时候,给排期排到3年5年后,让人家等不起,自动放弃,回国想辙,移民局给退钱吗?

付了15万医疗保证金的父母(是每人15万还是一对父母15万没说),能得到保证,去看医生,去医院的时候,比那些本地出生,但一辈子没交过税,只享受了无数福利的本地人优先吗?

其实大家都明白,可以省钱的地方多了去了,少买几架破烂飞机,少出些愚蠢政策,比什么都强。不过,那多难啊,还是卡你们这些想跟父母团聚的移民最简单。

几年前有来自别的国家的移民告加拿大移民局,说他们收费高效率低,好像最后是移民局败诉。不知我有没有记错。
 
爸妈还没过来呢?

去年夏天来探亲过。

今年刚把移民体检做了,landing fee 交了,等landing paper呢。

你爸妈呢?来了吗?
 
养老金才有多少?父母来这里十年,都是要儿女孝顺消费要多少?

我给父母算过,加上吃喝开销购物,还要让他们考驾照买车有可能再买一处房子他们想单独住,每月各种开销不止2,3千.....就算住满10年,养老金也不够父母花的,何况准备让他们多出去旅游一下.......

申请父母团聚的人不是冲着那点低保的钱,而是因为现在大多是独生子女,父母在国内如何养老?我们在这里努力工作交税,放弃国内的优越条件,没小孩不享受福利,每年政府在我们身上绝对是收入远远大于对我们的支出,长久下去是为什么?不是为了自己而是为了以后的父母儿女......而现在政府变本加厉的缩减开支,一点点人民连最基本的保障都没有了,什么都要交钱的话,那就把我们的税减低.....什么都在涨,政府不调控,相比而言却是工资在降。

不明白你的具体建议是什么,我猜是继续以前的政策,排队?加配额?

如果只是要求亲人团聚,十年多次往返就够了,你列的费用加上医疗保险。

移民与否的主要差别就是医疗,是否由全体纳税人负担少部分移民父母的医疗费用,是一个争议的话题。政府效率是另一个问题。
 
去年夏天来探亲过。

今年刚把移民体检做了,landing fee 交了,等landing paper呢。

你爸妈呢?来了吗?


我父母来看了一眼,不决定移民。
 
我父母来看了一眼,不决定移民。

是吗?看你挺关心这事的,似乎比谁都关心,还以为也在办呢。

你说你父母来看了一眼,觉得加拿大不好玩,就再没来过了?你在他们心目中也太不重要了吧?

我父母来过很多次,但每次只是夏天来,不过三个月就回去。办移民是为了来去方便。真办下来,他们能不能住满这移民监还是个大大的问号。他们在国内过得很舒服自在,就是因为想我和我的小家,才不辞劳苦经常来看看。
 
既然是医疗保证金,那就要有保证的医疗服务来对应。万一谁的父母来时交了钱,但真的有什么需要的时候,给排期排到3年5年后,让人家等不起,自动放弃,回国想辙,移民局给退钱吗?



付了15万医疗保证金的父母(是每人15万还是一对父母15万没说),能得到保证,去看医生,去医院的时候,比那些本地出生,但一辈子没交过税,只享受了无数福利的本地人优先吗?



其实大家都明白,可以省钱的地方多了去了,少买几架破烂飞机,少出些愚蠢政策,比什么都强。不过,那多难啊,还是卡你们这些想跟父母团聚的移民最简单。



几年前有来自别的国家的移民告加拿大移民局,说他们收费高效率低,好像最后是移民局败诉。不知我有没有记错。

没有一点在加生活的基本常识。请问您交了多少税?每月一万俩万?如有不平等的政策出台,倒霉的肯定是外来的移民。
 
没有一点在加生活的基本常识。请问您交了多少税?每月一万俩万?如有不平等的政策出台,倒霉的肯定是外来的移民。

先把你这句话说通了再来指责别人有没有常识。
 
我觉得这点说的对

既然是医疗保证金,那就要有保证的医疗服务来对应。万一谁的父母来时交了钱,但真的有什么需要的时候,给排期排到3年5年后,让人家等不起,自动放弃,回国想辙,移民局给退钱吗?

付了15万医疗保证金的父母(是每人15万还是一对父母15万没说),能得到保证,去看医生,去医院的时候,比那些本地出生,但一辈子没交过税,只享受了无数福利的本地人优先吗?

其实大家都明白,可以省钱的地方多了去了,少买几架破烂飞机,少出些愚蠢政策,比什么都强。不过,那多难啊,还是卡你们这些想跟父母团聚的移民最简单。

几年前有来自别的国家的移民告加拿大移民局,说他们收费高效率低,好像最后是移民局败诉。不知我有没有记错。
 
是吗?看你挺关心这事的,似乎比谁都关心,还以为也在办呢。

你说你父母来看了一眼,觉得加拿大不好玩,就再没来过了?你在他们心目中也太不重要了吧?

我父母来过很多次,但每次只是夏天来,不过三个月就回去。办移民是为了来去方便。真办下来,他们能不能住满这移民监还是个大大的问号。他们在国内过得很舒服自在,就是因为想我和我的小家,才不辞劳苦经常来看看。


我父母说我是最不让他们操心的,完全没必要来看着我。
 
我父母说我是最不让他们操心的,完全没必要来看着我。

哟,那你一定没告诉他们你想回国上井冈山闹革命。
 
既然是医疗保证金,那就要有保证的医疗服务来对应。万一谁的父母来时交了钱,但真的有什么需要的时候,给排期排到3年5年后,让人家等不起,自动放弃,回国想辙,移民局给退钱吗?

付了15万医疗保证金的父母(是每人15万还是一对父母15万没说),能得到保证,去看医生,去医院的时候,比那些本地出生,但一辈子没交过税,只享受了无数福利的本地人优先吗?

其实大家都明白,可以省钱的地方多了去了,少买几架破烂飞机,少出些愚蠢政策,比什么都强。不过,那多难啊,还是卡你们这些想跟父母团聚的移民最简单。

几年前有来自别的国家的移民告加拿大移民局,说他们收费高效率低,好像最后是移民局败诉。不知我有没有记错。

:cool::cool::cool:

尤其是想到前些天父亲刚走的那个女儿发帖说很难过那个,让父母放弃治疗.......
 
这点我同意。政府“劫富济贫”也是为了平衡。 贫富差距太大不利于社会的发展。 但是怎么”劫富济贫”得合理,却有很多争议。

好好研究资本主义的法律,会发现这根本都是给富人订的,或者说干脆由富人订的.....哪个政府后面不是有大财团的支持,哪项政策能违背主子的意思?资本主义资本主义,有了资本才能在这个社会更好的生存........表面说劫富,其实富人的钱都放公司了,人家手里都没钱,劫到谁的了?企业税多少,个人所得税多少?人家企业交税要收入减支出,剩下的部分交,中产阶级却是收入先给你减掉税,管你支出多少够不够花......富人避税的方法更是层出不穷.....好点的会计师也重要。

有钱能使磨推鬼.......难道富人比我们傻?要不他们天天要律师,会计师干嘛?
 
既然是医疗保证金,那就要有保证的医疗服务来对应。万一谁的父母来时交了钱,但真的有什么需要的时候,给排期排到3年5年后,让人家等不起,自动放弃,回国想辙,移民局给退钱吗?



付了15万医疗保证金的父母(是每人15万还是一对父母15万没说),能得到保证,去看医生,去医院的时候,比那些本地出生,但一辈子没交过税,只享受了无数福利的本地人优先吗?



其实大家都明白,可以省钱的地方多了去了,少买几架破烂飞机,少出些愚蠢政策,比什么都强。不过,那多难啊,还是卡你们这些想跟父母团聚的移民最简单。



几年前有来自别的国家的移民告加拿大移民局,说他们收费高效率低,好像最后是移民局败诉。不知我有没有记错。



这个消息鼓舞人心,支持你去告移民局,在这里抱怨是没有用的,最多就是发泄一下啦

去医院的时候不会优先,我脚得应该和交过很多税的没交过税的一视同仁



现在加拿大医疗这一块是大难题,难以为继,谁都可以骂几句,谁也没啥万全之策,这个政策真要实施的话针对的是所有种族的移民,不是针对华人的 。。。



我个人反对15万,太高了,5万一个人是老移民们负担起的
 
既然是医疗保证金,那就要有保证的医疗服务来对应。万一谁的父母来时交了钱,但真的有什么需要的时候,给排期排到3年5年后,让人家等不起,自动放弃,回国想辙,移民局给退钱吗?


付了15万医疗保证金的父母(是每人15万还是一对父母15万没说),能得到保证,去看医生,去医院的时候,比那些本地出生,但一辈子没交过税,只享受了无数福利的本地人优先吗?


其实大家都明白,可以省钱的地方多了去了,少买几架破烂飞机,少出些愚蠢政策,比什么都强。不过,那多难啊,还是卡你们这些想跟父母团聚的移民最简单。


几年前有来自别的国家的移民告加拿大移民局,说他们收费高效率低,好像最后是移民局败诉。不知我有没有记错。

:cool::cool::cool:

最重要的是,省下来的钱还不知道会花在谁的头上,我敢打赌95%的概率不会用在华裔身上
 
显然你并没有完全理解纳税的义务和权力。纳税不像买保险,你交保费越多,你的benefit 就越多。作为纳税人不管你交 一万两万,还是一亿两亿,你的权利和义务都是一样的。不能因为你多交了,你的孩子,亲人就可以少交,也不可以因为你需要的服务少,就可以要求少交说。
:cool:

上面反对替父母移民交钱的,请想一想,

交税多的公民,在医院是不是和交税少的公民一样排队呢?
交税多的公民,一定比交税少的公民,得到的社会服务多么?

如果你觉得这些都不合理,是不是根本不认同加拿大征税的方式呢?
是不是更认同不/少交税,完全/大部分由市场决定的方法呢?
 
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