方肘子对中医一无所知，对西医也同样一无所知。其反中医妖魔化中医行为实际是反人类

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方肘子：“有些药物虽然对治疗疾病有良效，但是由于毒副作用过强，也无法使用或必须慎用。对那些急毒、剧毒药物，靠经验还可能发现，但是对那些毒副作用要较长时间才能表现出来的慢性毒，例如药物导致的癌症、肝病、肾病、心血管疾病，凭经验根本不可能发现，必须靠动物实验、临床试验、流行病调查才能查出来。中医虽然有“是药三分毒”的说法，但是这只是一句废话，对某种药物究竟有什么毒副作用，服用后会对身体器官造成什么样的损害，基本上是一无所知。现代药物在说明书中都会详细说明毒副作用，而我抽查了几种常见中成药，都对毒副作用只字不提，最多在“注意事项”中写一句“孕妇禁用”，给人以为中药对普通人都无毒副作用的印象。”
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方肘子的这一小段话，充满了无知和逻辑矛盾，下面分别来批。
1）“药物导致的癌症、肝病、肾病、心血管疾病，凭经验根本不可能发现，必须靠动物实验、临床试验、流行病调查才能查出来”。

中国中医中药的经典著作，都是许多代中医师的医疗实践和经验的总结，可以说是长期临床试验验证后的科学结论。虽然可能跳过动物实验，直接进行临床试验，但没有经过动物试验直接进行临床试验就不可靠不科学吗？ 可见方肘子对医学多么无知，逻辑多么混乱；

2）“中医虽然有“是药三分毒”的说法，但是这只是一句废话，对某种药物究竟有什么毒副作用，服用后会对身体器官造成什么样的损害，基本上是一无所知。”

中医不知道砒霜的毒副作用和服用后会对身体器官造成什么样的损害？你相信吗？事实胜于雄辩，还是看看中药典籍的描述吧：

《开宝本草》：虽云味苦酸，而其气则大热，性有大毒也。酸苦涌泄，故能吐诸疟风痰在胸膈间。太热大毒之物，故不可久服，能伤人也。砒黄既已有毒，见火则毒愈甚，而世人多用砒霜以治疟，不知《内经》云夏伤于暑，秋必痎疟，法当清暑，益气，健脾，是为正治，岂宜用此大热大毒之药。如果元气壮实，有痰者服之，必大吐，虽暂获安，而所损真气实多矣。
《本经逢原》:砒霜疟家常用，入口吐利兼作，吐后大渴，则与绿豆汤饮之。砒性大毒，误食必死。然狂痴之病，又所必需，胜金丹用之无不应者。枯痔散与白矾同用，七日痔枯自落，取热毒之性以枯歹肉也。
《本草衍义》:砒霜，疟家或用，才过剂，则吐泻兼作，须浓研绿豆汁，仍兼冷水饮。
《本草》：谓主诸疟风痰在胸膈，可作吐药，盖以其性之至燥，大能燥痰也。

 

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中医中有“是药三分毒”的说法，虽然西医也知道药物会有副作用，但西医是不能很好理解的。比如中医中从古代开始就将砒霜入药，并研制出多种配方治疗各种恶疾，但西医直到2000年开始才胆战心惊的敢用一点点。

现在西医研究发现，砒霜可以降低乳腺癌发病率50%， 就提出在市政自来水中添加砒霜。这与渥太华的市政自来水中添加氟化物是一个思路。与在转基因大米中添加胡萝卜素，维生素A也是一个思路。

Should we add ARSENIC to tap water to cut breast cancer deaths? Study links 'toxic' chemical to 50% drop in mortality

• Study in north Chile found chemical is linked to 50 per cent drop in deaths
• Scientists at University of California, Berkeley hailed findings 'astonishing'
• Focused on the town of Antofagasta where arsenic levels in drinking water were found to be 80 times higher than levels recommended by WHO
• Among women aged under 60 mortality was reduced by 70 per cent
• Study could pave the way for new treatment to combat the disease

By LIZZIE PARRY FOR MAILONLINE

PUBLISHED: 11:59 GMT, 30 October 2014 | UPDATED: 15:30 GMT, 30 October 2014

A new study has found arsenic could help cut breast cancer deaths

It is notoriously poisonous but arsenic may help cut the number of deaths from breast cancer, research suggests.

A new study carried out in Chile has linked the chemical element with a 50 per cent drop in breast cancer deaths.

Scientists at the University of California, Berkeley, hailed their findings 'astonishing', indicating further trials could pave the way for new treatments.

The study focused on a region in the South American country where residents had been inadvertently exposed to high levels of arsenic - a naturally occurring element found in many minerals.

Instead of noting a rise in death rates, researchers found breast cancer deaths were cut in half during the period coinciding with high arsenic exposure.

The effect was more pronounced among women under the age of 60, with mortality reduced in this group by 70 per cent.

Lead author, professor Allan Smith, said: 'What we found was astonishing.

'We've been studying the long-term effects of arsenic in this population for many years, focusing on increased disease and mortality attributed to the historical exposure to arsenic in this population.'

In 1958, the northern Chilean city of Antofagasta switched to a geothermal water source originating in the Andes mountains.

Years later, it was discovered that the water sources contained more than 800 micrograms per litre of arsenic - 80 times higher than the levels recommended by the World Health Organisation.

An arsenic removal plant was installed in 1970 after some residents began to show the toxic effects from exposure.

As part of the study, researchers at the Stanford Cancer Institute found human breast cancer cells grown in the lab are killed by arsenic.

And normal breast cells were also found to be more resistant to the chemical.

The medicinal use of arsenic is not entirely new.

A new study carried out in Chile has linked the chemical element with a 50 per cent drop in breast cancer deaths. The disease is pictured under the microscope

In 1958, the northern Chilean city of Antofagasta switched to a geothermal water source originating in the Andes mountains. Years later, it was discovered that the water sources contained more than 800 micrograms per litre of arsenic - 80 times higher than the levels recommended by the World Health Organisation

Arsenic trioxide was approved in 2000 by the Food and Drug Administration in the U.S., as an effective treatment for a rare type of leukaemia.

So should the chemical be used to treat breast cancer?

Professor Smith said: 'Not yet. We do not know if the treatment will work, but carefully designed clinical trials should take place as soon as possible based on this new evidence.'

The team of scientists are in the process of designing clinical trials, in which some advanced breast cancer patients would be given arsenic treatment.

The study was published in the open-access journal EBioMedicine.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/health/a...r-cut-breast-cancer-deaths.html#ixzz3Hjlii8R2
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[XCYM]

这跟中医的关系是？

 

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网络真好

可以随心所欲的搜到自己想喷的东西

你要证据吗，网刨啊，自己梗一下脖子就行了

据说，未来都不需要警察，法官。。。了，就靠自己的一根手指网刨～

搞得证据俩字都像GS了～

 

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这跟中医的关系是？

他妹的！ 码了很多字，手机版突然崩溃，全没了。

 

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方舟子肯定想象不出来在塞外一乡村网站，都有几个人天天月月年年惦记着他。。。他们对方舟子讲过神马话写过神马字可说是如数家珍，比方舟子老婆对方舟子还有了解还有关心。。。真是算是奇葩现象

 

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他妹的！ 码了很多字，手机版突然崩溃，全没了。

核老大，你为没法帮肘子洗地的善男信女提供了一块狂吠的新天地。
过万圣节了，鬼哭狼嚎，真热闹呀真热闹。

 

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。那你就重新打。反正吃完午饭了没事干。

我的回复
“Instead of noting a rise in death rates, researchers found breast cancer deaths were cut in half during the period coinciding with high arsenic exposure."
文章说得清楚砷用于治疗癌症不是新鲜事。注意，文章可没说吃砷，砒霜或牛黄解毒能防止乳腺癌。你没得过乳腺癌的千万别试。否则是反人类。

举个不恰当的例子。得了某种癌症，可以化疗放射疗，化疗吃的就是有巨大毒副作用的西药。放射剂量也是对身体有害的。但是为了治疗癌症。没办法。
但是感冒或上火的朋友，可不能老吃有毒的药物或去作放射。

同理别把毒药当日常治疗上火用的药。

写得太多了。

 

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核老大，你为没法帮肘子洗地的善男信女提供了一块狂吠的新天地。
过万圣节了，鬼哭狼嚎，真热闹呀真热闹。

都反人类了。戴帽子的手法，到了这万圣节都不一般了。果然是万圣节。

 

[XCYM]

不开玩笑了。都是为了CFC群众好。真的别再吃牛黄解毒了。上火吃点别的药。

 

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都反人类了。戴帽子的手法，到了这万圣节都不一般了。果然是万圣节。

哦，你新来的吧？见惯就不怪了。
善男信女鬼哭狼嚎也不是万圣节才有的事，就是今天凑上节日了，看着比较配搭。

 

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CFC需要给新来的开个班，oreintation。
1.村长是谁
2.瑞璜啥样
3.他俩谁领导水
4.直角四边形为什么这么火
5.谁是政治课代表，语文课，微观经济。。。
6.最重要的是CFC币在哪里换加币
。。。。。。。
大家还有什么问题，快问。

 

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不开玩笑了。都是为了CFC群众好。真的别再吃牛黄解毒了。上火吃点别的药。

歪个楼，牛黄这东西据说太稀少，好多含牛黄的药其实都是用的人工合成品，效用值得怀疑。反正我不吃这个。
没看过医生别乱吃药。同样上火有人是阴虚上火有人是阳盛上火，用药都不一样的，阴虚上火吃了去阳火的药只会加重病情。
不过我村讲科学的人不信什么上不上火的，教主说，上火是口腔卫生没搞好。

 

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方舟子肯定想象不出来在塞外一乡村网站，都有几个人天天月月年年惦记着他。。。他们对方舟子讲过神马话写过神马字可说是如数家珍，比方舟子老婆对方舟子还有了解还有关心。。。真是算是奇葩现象

说奇葩，不过奖～

自己脸上的麻子一堆，还总惦记别人的嘴角上的那颗米粒～

骂别人还总是特努力地把自己也捎上，一遍一遍的，一点也不含糊～