Liu Yong, please answer the phone!!

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  1. sky_walker

    sky_walker 新手上路 ID:112942

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  2. 强烈推荐刘师傅的益家装修公司? It will be one huge mistake for hiring him as the contractor for your home renovation because he will file you one mechanic lien to your property.

    I know, you don't take my phone, I will see you in court unless you remove it from my property immediately.
     
  3. sky_walker

    sky_walker 新手上路 ID:112942

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    Hi Liu Yong,

    The following is your email reply:
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    I saw you post on CFC, you pretend you called me but you didn’t.

    Please make you payment first before you ask me to remove the lien. I finished the job for you house:

    1, Paint the whole house;

    2, install hardwood floor on living room, family room, dinning room, breakfast area and hall way, install 4 pcs hardwood stairs and landing to basement;

    3, remove subfloor for breakfast area;

    Total labor and material is $4370 plus HST. After almost 2 months, You didn’t even pay a penny. Please pay. Thanks.



    Liu Yong
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    I called you three times today, 8:07pm, 8:14pm and 9:25pm but
    received the message like ÿou are not available!

    Here is the email content from you. Please tell me how do I pay
    if I don't know where you are.

    By the way, could you post your invoice in here for everyone to
    see how you charge me.

    By the way, the estimate of repairing the hardwood floor damage (almost 20 pieces) which you installed for me is around $9,000.

    Ok, you just know how to install the hardwood but don't know how to repair it.

    You took my advantage of not having one detailed contract with your business and filed the mechanic lien to my property without sending me the notice first.
     
  4. sky_walker

    sky_walker 新手上路 ID:112942

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    Hi, Liu Yong, please answer your phone!!!

    As I warned you many times, if you don't answer my phone
    call. It will force me to do the following things:
    1. Make one claim to Ontario Ministy of Consumer Services about
    your business. As far as I know, the minimal fine is $50,000.

    2. Report to CRA for you to hire the students without any experience to work for you for leading bad quality work for my home renovation.
    You will see how CRA traces you until you are exhausted.

    3. Depends how much damage you did to me because of mechanic lien attached to my property, I will sue you either in small claim court or super court for over $25,000. You may lose everything you earned.

    I already took over $10,000 damage due to your bad work and don't want to take another hit.

    I am a chinese and don't want to push you into the corner, however I will do them if you don't remove the mechanic lien from my property immediately.

    Please call me immediately and settle the case!
     
  5. sky_walker

    sky_walker 新手上路 ID:112942

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    By the way, if you are Liu Yong's friend, please call him and let him know. As soon as I take the procedures above, it is a road of no return. I will start it from Monday morning.

    Good luck, Liu Yong. You still have some time to think about it.
     
  6. 益家装修

    益家装修 知名会员 ID:91107

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    谢谢,你消失了2个月终于出现了,请你查查你是否有我正确的电话号码先。网上就能找到。
    你所谓的我给你造成damage都是bullshit。你欠钱并消失,这事儿我咨询过3,4个律师,最后注册的lien也是我的律师注册的。
    这是我这么多年来第一次碰到你这样的客户,但律师说像你这样的人有不少,经常有人欠工程款不给,打算卖了房一跑了之,但他们并不知道有construction lien这事儿,不知道有lien不能过户房屋,你就是其中之一吧,以为卖了房我就找不到你了。
    你从一开始就没打算给钱,所有涉及到价格的email你都不回复。在你号称的木地板complain发生之前就拖着不给刷漆的钱。
    我第一次去你家,你就透露过你只能贷很少的钱,并把有名的很nice的BMO华人房贷经纪骂一顿,说她不愿贷给你钱。您应该不是第一次干欠钱不给这事儿了,所以你的credit很低。是吧?

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    本来我作为被控诉者应该少说,不管怎么,多说都只会是越描越黑,但看这个本来还算有意义的帖子演变成了口水贴,没意思了,我只好出来说几句我的一面之词,尽量不说主观结论和看法,算是回答您和之前其他ID的一些疑问。

    楼主家的木地板7月初到货,第二天我去刷漆时,开箱随机抽出几条检查,每条宽窄都不一样(不是长短),而且有的相差很大,有1、2个毫米,我告诉楼主及夫人:这是我见过最差的地板,铺上去会有很多缝隙。这样的情况在好牌子的地板里没有,比如mecier,marige等,在homedepot卖的$3-$4的地板里有这样的情况,不过比例很低,一箱大概1,2条而已。而这批地板里大概30%是这情况。

    当时楼主对此也没有异议,也比较懊恼,只是说自己不懂,是sales强烈推荐的,而且便宜,$3多一平方英尺,要卖房就没必要买太好的等等。如果退货,要被收20%左右的费用。这之后到7月底铺木地板之前,我又说过多次。楼主后来也没否认我之前告之过此事,但他理解为“你很狡猾,事先就给我打预防针”。

    楼主提到自己买的地板是kempas,只要google “kempas hardwood”,搜索出的第一条结果是就可以看到kempas这种马来西亚木头的很多缺点,最大的就是很容易膨胀和收缩(instable,easy to shrink or swell),并且容易开裂( tendency to split and crack ,and flake off)。这就是为什么这批地板大量的不等宽。https://www.google.com/search?hl=zh-...w=1120&bih=588

    楼上楼主几次说过在做他家工程的同时,我还有几个其他的工程,因此此工程是在“rush”的状态下完成的,这个我非常不同意。楼主家地板600多sqft,我们两个人干了4天半,平均每天100多sqft,平均每人每天几十平方尺,是我做过最慢的一个木地板,没有之一。楼主可能不清楚正常的是什么速度,但请人做过木地板的朋友应该了解。因为木头越差,越难铺,就越慢。楼主提到我同时还有其他几个工程,但并没有影响楼主家的进度,我们从周日干到周四连续5天,只有其中一天去的晚些。

    做完第2天,楼主对一些缝隙不满意,请朋友来检查,他是ottawa一个大builder的木地板和瓷砖的总承包公司的老板,是楼主家的朋友,第二天楼主说,他说你“做的不错,只是有一条木头有crack,需要fix”,这条crack是在木料的后端,并不是我们工具能接触的前端。之后的几天,工程是这样进行的:我每钉完一条,楼主拿抹布擦一条检查。这也是为什么600多平方尺铺了四天半的原因之一。

    楼主称“造成了$9000多的damage”,我不了解是怎么计算的,就算全部损坏,无一条幸免,楼主家面积是600多sqft,材料$3多,一共$2000多,人工费我只收了$1000多。
    。当时做完最后一天的晚上,我和楼主丈量好面积,计算出总价,楼主称第二天取钱付款。第二天早9点就打电话“通知”我,不能付款,已找人做了评估,要fix后再付款,所有的cost都将由我承担,总共“约10几piece,每条$40”,我电话里对此做法有疑议,楼主说“就是$1000修一条,也得你出钱”。之后楼主就没了消息。直到现在发这个帖子,由几百元变成了$9000的损失。

    以上是“地板门”的一些经过,这事儿目前也算告一段落,我和楼主前2天的通话也很平和,楼主表示希望我能从此事吸取教训,今后好好服务于社区,我也提出愿意给一些deduct,楼主也大度的说算了。楼上发帖的朋友们,是客户是朋友是同行或者是素不相识的,是支持的是反对的,也都请听何夫人的劝告吧,请不要人身攻击。算了吧
     
  7. sky_walker

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    Liu Yong,

    Well, you leave me no choice but see you in court. Maybe I don't have enough money but have no problem to hire one lawyer to settle the case.

    Good luck!

    By the way, the estimate of repairing hardwood floor ($9,000) is done by one well known local company. If you consider their esimate as the bullshit, what else could I say?

    If you really want to know my credit, just spend few dollars and get the report. By the way, I wish you could have a good sleep after CRA traces you. I don't believe you understand what's the real meaning of CRA.

    It will be my last post to you. I am run out of my patient now.
     
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    据我所知小刘师傅的手艺是相当不错的,服务同胞, 互惠互利。

    有事情, 好协商。华人的contractor讲信用,费用低 好沟通,请理解别人付出的每一滴汗水。
     
  9. sky_walker

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    The problem is where I could find him?

    I am not the contractor and not qualify to comment his work, the only way is to bring the third party for the estimate of repairing the hardwood floor. However, the fee is around $9000.

    The first step which I did is to ask him repair, but he told me it neccessary to remove 50 pieces to fix one piece of damaged hardwood. I couldn't accept this idea.
    So I told him that I will hire other contractors to fix the damaged hardwood floor and the repairing fee will be deducted from his payment and he agreed it over th phone.

    The second step is to bring one well known local company for the estimate of repairing hardwood, they took the pcitures of various damaged hardwood pieces and told me the fees. Now it's my decision
    to fix it or not.

    I understand it not easier for him to make money, it's the reason why I took the loss ($9,000) in the first place. But what he did is to put mechanic lien to my property without noticing me first. I wouldn't know it if my bank officer hadn't been told the mechanic lien on this Saturday afternoon.

    The I tried to email and call him for asking to remove the mechanic lien immediately before I take the legal action next Monday.

    If you are his friend, please let him know the consequence of the legal action.

    As I know, he has young kid.

    It's reason why I email and post in CFC to give him last chance but seems that he refused to remove the mechanic lien.

    Please understand it's not easier for me to make $9,000 either.
     
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    我们围观的都不太清楚你和刘师傅到底发生了什么, 我觉得既然刘师傅已经使用了律师, 楼主觉得如果自己是无辜的, 那就请律师或者通过正规渠道解决问题吧.
     
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    sky_walker 新手上路 ID:112942

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    Fair enough.

    As you know, the lawyer starts to work on Monday.
     
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    大周末看见这个。据我所知, mechanic lien是施工者保护自己能够收回劳动款项的一个保障。楼主为什么没有付钱啊?我想刘师傅不会给每个工程都作mechanic lien的。

    也别论坛上这么着急地吵了,找到刘师傅心平气和谈谈吧。还有你打的电话号码对吗?留言了吗?
    我觉得你有点较劲了。挪掉50块就修一块,有点太执拗了。求完美的人很多,特别是自己花了钱的,可是不可预计的事情总有发生的,没必要太计较了。不是太大的影响结构的事情,能修就修,修不了就算了。我们家大大小小工程请过不少contractors,谁也不是把活儿做得让人100%满意的。drywall给打错洞的,留在livingroom里难看的;hardwood floor把明显破损的木头给装最表面的。。。能稍微遮掩过去的,以后再慢慢解决就行了。

    我不是完全为了劝和,我就是个旁观者,就是觉得楼主这个态度太激进,解决不了问题,最后搞不好得不偿失。还有,这种“威胁”似的沟通方式,不一定奏效。还让人有压迫感。咱不总是说“有话好商量”“有事好好说”嘛。
     
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    sky_walker 新手上路 ID:112942

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    More information.

     
  14. 绿袖子

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    我也这么回你得了。;)

    Probably there is no one to stand up for his bad work.

    我真不是跟你辩论哈,不过,你这个结论是不是说明他的活儿确实好,所以说好的人比不好的多。至少到现在为止,我在论坛上看到的和生活中听朋友介绍的,说他做活好的人多。


    I called him five times and took the pciture of the called record. I got
    his phone number from his ads in CFC forum.
    嗯,这个他不接你电话不对了。你最好也留言,希望他能打回来给你。还有他如果真接电话,你好好说话啊,你要是也论坛上这个着急上火的劲儿,估计你们俩电话上也解决不了问题。

    I called most of contractors for the fee of the replacement, the price is $40/per piece. I brought three different companies to my house for fixing these damaged pieces. But the repairing fee is very high as
    I explained before. As Liu Yong told me that the only way for him to
    fix one piece 。。is to remove 50 pieces or more. If you were me, would you ask him to fix the hardwood floor again?

    我不知道你说的活一定要修是什么样的。所以我很难说如果我是你,要不要找他回来修理。不过,我很可能不了了之了。:blowzy:我遇到一个做雨槽的人,给我们家做的真心不好,弄坏了瓦片,雨槽角度也不对,下雨以后积水,我开始也打电话总催着,每次都留言,那人就是不接。我钱也全付了。其实,算了就算了。他如果给你做得真的影响日常生活质量了,那你就追着。只是影响心情了,你这么较劲不是更影响吗?


    As the bank officer suggested me to call my lawyer as soon as possible. It's him to file mechanic lien to my property first.
    他不告诉你也不合适。不过我知道这里的故事,也不知道法律程序。他如果告诉你了,你会给他工程款吗,还是继续扯修理费呢?

    He could make the claim in small claims court if he could win.

    Anyway, I called and emailed him on the same day for getting the settle on this case. As you see, there is no feedback from him until now. As soon as I make the claims in three different places, there is no return for me but let the court or CRA rule who is right or not.

    If you are his friend, please let him know。
    你也别假设谁出来拦你几句就是他的朋友了。我今天真是有点闲的,出来劝几句。因为我真觉得过日子心情很重要。这么生气较劲没必要。你们俩坐一起好好商量商量呗。
    你不给他工钱,自己又较劲非要修理,其实我旁观来看,有点找别扭在先了。他不接你电话不告诉你就file mechanic lien,也不合适。估计也是赌口气了。
    你给他工钱,他给你取消那个,不就消停了嘛。对你来说,取消mechanic lien更重要吧?对他来说,收到工钱最重要。:cool:

    那个修理的事情,不该和这两个一起解决,一码归一码。:(


    我就劝到这儿,不跟参合了,管娃去了:)
     
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    我以前推荐过小刘,他确实不错。看到这个帖子,实在看不下去了。



    1. LZ造谣惑众;“he will file you one mechanic lien to your property.


    LZ不提自己欠钱在先的事实。



    2. LZ威胁恐吓;“As I warned you many times, if you don't answer my phone
    call. It will force me to do the following things:
    1. Make one claim to Ontario Ministy of Consumer Services about
    your business. As far as I know, the minimal fine is $50,000.

    2. Report to CRA for you to hire the students without any experience to work for you for leading bad quality work for my home renovation.
    You will see how CRA traces you until you are exhausted.

    3. Depends how much damage you did to me because of mechanic lien attached to my property, I will sue you either in small claim court or super court for over $25,000. You may lose everything you earned.


    he has young kid.”



    LZ这样会搬起石头砸自己的脚。小刘以后生意或家人有什么事情,都可以找LZ买单了。



    3. LZ夸大问题;“the estimate of repairing the hardwood floor damage (almost 20 pieces) which you installed for me is around $9,000.”



    人家小刘的所有刷漆加木地板的工钱才四千多刀,LZ你这不是瞎掰吗?干脆你付我$8000 刀,我给你fix地板并帮你把欠小刘的工钱给付了。这样你还赚了1000刀。小刘以前给我讲过安装木地板会碰到的问题,如木地板本身宽窄不一,不直等等,很专业,肯定知道怎么fix。



    所以我在这里劝一下LZ,你这种架势搞不好得不偿失,人家律师也会考虑委托人会不会赖账,要是败诉了会不会被LZ发帖子,这当然是笑话。只是希望LZ别做无赖,丢国人的脸。
     
  16. Obiwan

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    For what you just said, Liu Yong could report it to the police as you are threatening the safety of his family, especially to the minor. The mechanic lien is set up by his lawyer, so you don't need to worry about whether he knows the legal consequences or not, on the flipside, you may get yourself a lawyer to settle this dispute. By posting on CFC is not a proper way of resolving issues, I don't know your back ground but what you did is very immature and put your blackmailing comments in writing (in poor English) is really not a wise move on your part.

    Good luck Sky Walker.:)
     
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