60-70超市食品是含有转基因成分，不是转基因食品

[老闹子]

光在CFC上喊口号，没有任何实际行动，能让人信服吗？你起码可以把你向Tufts大学或孟山都公司表达自愿甘当试验人体的信贴一封出来才有点说服力吧？

再说了，我也一再提，参加试验的是6-8岁小孩而非成人，这是更加让人对试验者的欺骗行为不齿的原因。如果你家没有这么小的小孩，你也不能保证可以说服亲朋中符合这个年龄的小孩接受试验，那就算了。因为黄金大米的潜在风险，对小孩和成人是不一样的。

本来以为CFC上有人愿意给我提供免费黄金大米的。现在你却把我转交给孟山都公司。看来我的希望落空了。

拜乐位，黄金大米不是孟山都公司的吧？是国际水稻研究所和欧洲的几个科学家培养的。属于慈善工程，对穷人免费提供种子。

 

[sunny_cctv]

FDA相信，有机食品的生产过程和记录保持所支撑的“认证有机”的申明足以证明它并非由生物工程技术生产的。

也就是说，凡是贴有“USDA organic”标签的食品在生产和处理过程中没有使用GMO，理论上也不应该含有GMO。

但实情却并非如此，转基因的污染无处不在——种植过程中由于基因漂移造成的污染；收获时农具的污染；运输过程中运输工具的污染；等等。

有鉴于此，NOP对有机食作物的种植、生产和处理过程建立了严格的监控以防止转基因污染：

① 禁止使用含转基因成分的种子，有条件的可进行转基因成分检测，确保从源头杜绝转基因污染；

② 种植时必须要设立缓冲/隔离带，缓冲带里的作物以有机方式培养，但最终却作为常规食品出售。缓冲带的面积大小由认证机构评估，确认其能防止转基因污染或其他污染。目前也有科学家正在研究如何根据授粉行为和地形来预测能隔绝转基因污染的最小缓冲带面积。

并给有机种植户提出如下建议：

① 在种植时间上与转基因作物错开，以防止基因漂移造成的转基因污染

② 明确标识《有机作物种植区》；说服相邻的农场主不种植GMO或远离GMO种植地；

③ 严格清洗农具；避免运输过程中的污染等等

即便如此，在出口到欧盟的有机食品中，依然被检测到了转基因成分—美国的转基因作物种植面积太大，转基因污染几乎是无法避免的！

这些“有机食品”还能贴有“USDA organic”的标签吗？

能！

有机食品的认证是“基于过程”的 — 只要你不用转基因种子，并严格按照规定的有机流程操作、采取相关措施防止转基因污染，NOP就会给你许可和标签。即便有机食品由于无法预知的原因而造成了转基因污染，也并不影响证书的获得。

另外，NOP对转基因污染也并不奉行“零容忍”的政策，对“污染”一词并无定量的界定，究竟检出多少转基因成分算可以容忍的污染？（欧盟定量为< 0.9%）

所以，这种食品在美国贴上“USDA organic”出售是没有任何问题的，但你得明白这个标签的含义，即“没有用转基因种子；生产过程严格隔绝了转基因污染；但并不保证食品中不含转基因成分”。

对这样的结果，大家会满意吗？

国外的买家就不满意 — 许多国家会进行转基因检测。这意味着，有机农场主需要额外花费金钱用于加强对转基因污染的防护，还要耗资进行转基因成分的检测。

出口受阻、国内消费者的挑剔和成本的增加使有机食品从业者四面受敌，处境堪舆。他们成了美国反对转基因的主要力量 — 毁弃农田、集会抗议的事情时有发生，源自他们而直指转基因巨头们的赔偿诉讼也不绝于耳……

 

[mimi_ge]

本来以为CFC上有人愿意给我提供免费黄金大米的。现在你却把我转交给孟山都公司。看来我的希望落空了。



拜乐位，黄金大米不是孟山都公司的吧？是国际水稻研究所和欧洲的几个科学家培养的。属于慈善工程，对穷人免费提供种子。

monsanto几乎垄断所以转基因的种子。90percent的市场。

对穷人免费提供，nerver heard of it。

 

[扣 扣]

现在知道争论的关键了。

因为大豆，玉米已经转基因沦陷，很多做成了饲料喂猪，所以吃猪肉的人等于吃了转基因。

我的答案，我不知道这猪肉是不是转基因，但我绝对不会去吃玉米。

那你还在吃猪肉吗？

YES～～

如果你知道猪吃了三鹿，你还吃猪肉吗～～:blowzy:

或因为猪吃了转基因玉米，你不吃猪肉了～～:blowzy:

 

[老闹子]

闹哥，你要我说几遍，蔬果没问题的，都有标签
但很多合成品，是不贴标签的，很多含有大豆，玉米成分。你假如认为这就是转基因，who care，反正我从来不吃。

什么标签？“8”字？那你们刚才怎么都在说“从来没有看到过8字”呢？我是从来没有在意过。

 

[小 篆]

本来以为CFC上有人愿意给我提供免费黄金大米的。现在你却把我转交给孟山都公司。看来我的希望落空了。

拜乐位，黄金大米不是孟山都公司的吧？是国际水稻研究所和欧洲的几个科学家培养的。属于慈善工程，对穷人免费提供种子。

这种谣言又是从哪里出来的呢？看来有人真是造谣造上瘾了啊。
你写封信去问问汤博士，没准人家真愿意给你提供免费黄金大米呢？写这么一封信需要的时间，不比在CFC上发几十个帖子帮汤博士洗冤多吧？而且前者的效果要远胜后者数倍。

鉴于汤博士目前可能正在被调查，所以多提了一个孟山都公司。后者那里需要人体试验的转基因食品肯定挺多，甚至包括用成人做试验的东西，满足您的可能性大大提高。

 

[mimi_ge]

什么标签？“8”字？那你们刚才怎么都在说“从来没有看到过8字”呢？我是从来没有在意过。

几乎所有这里卖的水果都会有stick的，一般都是4打头4位数的。

我说的那个8打头的5位数的，就是上面写着“我是纯转基因种子种出来的”。

 

[9981]

这么说你终于把黄金大米的所有风险都研究清楚啦？不分享下心得？

你真让自家小孩吃了，俺们的确要表示一下敬意，现代神农氏啊。

总有第一个人吃螃蟹， 总有第一批人代隐形眼镜， 总有第一只猴子跳水帘洞。 也总有很小的小孩子就去游泳和滑雪。 风险可控就可以了。 又说了一遍。

勇敢和智慧也是基因。缺乏了也需要转一转。

 

[mimi_ge]

那你还在吃猪肉吗？



YES～～



如果你知道猪吃了三鹿，你还吃猪肉吗～～:blowzy:



或你不吃猪肉了～～:blowzy:

扣扣，我是半素食主义，吃猪肉很少很少。一般就炒炒肉丝。

 

[小 篆]

总有第一个人吃螃蟹， 总有第一批人代隐形眼镜， 总有第一只猴子跳水帘洞。 也总有很小的小孩子就去游泳和滑雪。 风险可控就可以了。 又说了一遍。

勇敢和智慧也是基因。缺乏了也需要转一转。

别混淆问题的实质：骗小孩做人体试验，跟勇敢和智慧无关，甚至与科学无关，只与道德和诚信有关。

 

[mimi_ge]

总有第一个人吃螃蟹， 总有第一批人代隐形眼镜， 总有第一只猴子跳水帘洞。 也总有很小的小孩子就去游泳和滑雪。 风险可控就可以了。 又说了一遍。



勇敢和智慧也是基因。缺乏了也需要转一转。

知不知道，走常规路线，转基因的安全评估要走多少路。7-10年。黄金大米04年有么？

Canadian Regulation of Foods Derived from Biotechnology

• It is a seven to ten year process to research, develop, test and assess the safety of a new GM food.
• Manufacturers and importers who wish to sell or advertise a GM food in Canada, must submit data to Health Canada for a pre-market safety assessment, as required under Division 28 of Part B of the Food and Drugs Regulations (Novel Foods). This safety assessment provides assurance that the food is safe when prepared or consumed according to its intended use.

The steps in the regulatory process are described below:

1. Pre-submission consultation
   Health Canada encourages proponents to consult with the Novel Foods Section of the Food Directorate in advance of notifying a GM food to Health Canada for safety assessment. This provides the opportunity for regulatory process requirements to be clarified and for any specific safety issues to be raised.
2. Pre-market notification
   When the product's proponent believes it has sufficient information about the safety of a GM food to address Health Canada's criteria, a submission is made to the Novel Foods Section. This office coordinates a full safety assessment of the product, which involves a rigorous scientific evaluation by Health Canada scientific evaluators. These criteria are described in Health Canada's Guidelines for the Safety Assessment of Novel Foods.
3. Scientific Assessment
   Scientific evaluators, with individual expertise in molecular biology, toxicology, chemistry, nutritional sciences and microbiology, assess the following:
   • development of the modified organism, including the molecular biological data that characterizes the genetic change;
   • composition of and nutritional information about the GM food compared to a non-modified counterpart food;
   • the potential for production of new toxins in the food;
   • the potential for causing allergic reactions;
   • microbiological and chemical safety of the food;
   • the potential for any unintended or secondary effects;
   • key nutrients and toxicants; and,
   • major constituents (for example, fats, proteins, carbohydrates) and minor constituents (for example, minerals and vitamins).
4. Requests for additional information
   If Health Canada evaluators find that any of the information provided about a GM food is insufficient, further documentation is requested from the proponent of the submission. Health Canada does not give any further consideration to the submission until all requested material is provided and deemed to be scientifically valid.
5. Summary report of findings
   Once evaluators have completed their assessments, they summarize their findings and recommendations in a report.
6. Preparation of food rulings proposal
   Once the evaluation of the product is completed, a Health Canada Food Rulings Proposal is prepared. This proposal is reviewed by senior staff (Directors and Director General) in the Food Directorate to ensure that all issues have been addressed. Once this has been done, a decision is made whether or not to approve the product.
7. Letter of no objection
   If a product has successfully completed the evaluation process, and the other regulatory approvals such as environmental and feed safety are in place, a "Letter of No Objection" is sent to the product proponent. This letter indicates that the product can be sold in Canada for the intended uses, as listed in the submission, and whether there are any restrictions or requirements associated with the Health Canada decision.
8. Decision document on Health Canada Web site
   A decision document, describing the novel food and summarizing the safety information used to determine its safety as a food, is posted on the Novel Foods and Ingredients page of Health Canada's Web site.

 

[老闹子]

monsanto几乎垄断所以转基因的种子。90percent的市场。

对穷人免费提供，nerver heard of it。

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Golden_rice
Potrykus has spearheaded an effort to have golden rice distributed for free to subsistence farmers. This required several companies which had intellectual property rights to the results of Beyer's research to license it for free. Beyer had received funding from the European Commissions 'Carotene Plus' research program, and by accepting those funds, he was required by law to give the rights to his discovery to the corporate sponsors of that program, Zeneca (now Syngenta). Beyer and Potrykus made use of 70 intellectual property rights belonging to 32 different companies and universities in the making of golden rice. They needed to establish free licences for all of these, so Syngenta and humanitarian partners in the project could use golden rice in breeding programs and to develop new crops.[39]

Free licenses for developing countries were granted quickly due to the positive publicity that golden rice received, particularly in Time magazine in July 2000. Golden rice was said to be the first genetically modified crop that was unarguably beneficial. Monsanto Company was one of the first companies to grant free licences.[40]

The cutoff between humanitarian and commercial use was set at US$10,000. Therefore, as long as a farmer or subsequent user of golden rice genetics does not make more than $10,000 per year, no royalties need to be paid. In addition, farmers are permitted to keep and replant seed.

 

[TIFF]

总有第一个人吃螃蟹， 总有第一批人代隐形眼镜， 总有第一只猴子跳水帘洞。 也总有很小的小孩子就去游泳和滑雪。 风险可控就可以了。 又说了一遍。

勇敢和智慧也是基因。缺乏了也需要转一转。

黄金大米的问题是隐瞒实情，诱骗这些孩子做实验，跟你说的这些挨得上吗？

 

[TIFF]

别混淆问题的实质：骗小孩做人体试验，跟勇敢和智慧无关，甚至与科学无关，只与道德和诚信有关。

就是啊。我都觉得这是显而易见的事，怎么他们这么拎不清呢？还追到这楼来跟你争。

 

[老闹子]

这种谣言又是从哪里出来的呢？看来有人真是造谣造上瘾了啊。
...

多谢小篆告知那是谣言。