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City councillor blames 'non-whites' for violence

Jason Fekete and Adam Grachnik, with files from Ken Gray
The Ottawa Citizen


Friday, June 20, 2003


Ottawa Councillor Jan Harder was dealing with charges of racism from her constituents yesterday after she blamed recent troubles in Barrhaven on "non-whites coming into our community looking to cause trouble."

Ms. Harder's comments were in reference to an attack on a 23-year-old man by a group of a dozen youths who slashed him across the back with a knife early this month in Barrhaven.

The Bell-South Nepean councillor, who represents the suburb, told Nepean This Week that: "The problem arises when a large group of -- I'm going to say it -- non-whites comes into our community looking to cause trouble."

Ms. Harder yesterday defended her comments, saying they weren't racist and shouldn't be taken in that context.

"I'm not defining race," she said. "It's police terminology, not mine. That's how the police report it and that's why I use that terminology. In that particular case, it was non-whites, so I'm reporting accurately."

Ms. Harder said she expects support rather than criticism from her constituents.

"It's nothing I haven't heard from the kids and parents," she said. "I've had so many e-mails and calls from people saying 'We're really glad you're working on this Jan. We're nervous about letting the kids go out in the evening.'

"On a weekly basis, I don't have a community of angels out here. Come on. I have all the problems everybody else has."

"Those remarks are racist, there's no ifs, ands or buts," said Councillor Alex Cullen. "To categorize (gang problems) in racist terms is misleading and counterproductive."

Mr. Cullen called on Ms. Harder to apologize.

"She owes it to every non-white in the city, she owes them an apology," he said, adding that visible minorities form a fifth of the city's population.

Some community leaders are livid as a result of Ms. Harder's comments.

Ewart Walters, the editor of the Spectrum, a monthly multicultural newspaper, said he was offended.

"This is my community and I very much take offence to her trying to divide it and leave me out of it," Mr. Walters said. "I am non-white and I am certainly part of this community."

Councillor Rick Chiarelli said he thought Ms. Harder had moved past "these type of comments." Mr. Chiarelli was reffering to an incident in April 2001 when Ms. Harder angered some members of the city's Chinese community by referring on CFRA radio to what she called the "Asian influence" in the city's west end.

"What's coming up is a huge Asian influence, if you will, with people moving to Nepean and Kanata of that background," Ms. Harder said at the time.

Ms. Harder said last night that those comments were, and still are, misunderstood.

"The Asian comment is about demographics in different areas of the city," she said. "The amount of people from Asia that were in Nepean was huge. We should be serving them. That was my point at that time, that's my point today."

Sri Baga, 22, who moved to Ottawa from Sri Lanka in 1992, was delivering Nepean This Week last night, the paper in which Ms. Harder was quoted.

"It's hard to understand where she is coming from," Mr. Baga said. "I don't want to hurt her, but she's hurting the feeling of the non-white community."

Mr. Baga said his family moved to Barrhaven in June and he considers the neighbourhood peaceful. He said that one or two people might be violent, but that shouldn't lead to labelling an entire community.

Meanwhile, some youths in the area last night said they thought Ms. Harder's assessment was on the money.

"They come down because we're suburban kids. I have been chilling here since I was 12. It was a safe haven, but they're going to keep coming and it's getting worse," said Andrew Racine.

"She may be racist, but she's truthful," Mr. Racine's friend, J.L. Jarvis added.

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http://www.janharder.com/
 
Jan Harder is on radio now debating. CFRA580
12:30pm Sunday.
 
I do not see anything wrong here, too much sensitivity indicates nothing but loss of confidence.
 
Harder accused of hate crime
Police complaint lodged over councillor's remarks on 'non-whites'

Jason Fekete and Erin Conway-Smith
The Ottawa Citizen


Saturday, June 21, 2003

An Ottawa minority group has filed a criminal complaint against Ottawa Councillor Jan Harder, saying the comments she made earlier this week violate hate laws.

"We are very, very upset," said Steve Maphango, an organizer with the Visible Minority Action Committee, which he said was founded in January and now has 2,000 members.

"It's unbelievable, particularly coming from a city councillor. What she has done is essentially to divide the community of Barrhaven."

Mr. Maphango, 58, a long time resident of Ottawa, said the committee filed the complaint against the Bell-South Nepean councillor with the hate crimes unit of the Ottawa police yesterday.

A hate crime is defined as a criminal offence against a person, group of people or property based on hate elements such as race, religion, nationality, ethnic origin or sexual orientation.

Once a complaint is filed with police and if it falls within the mandate of the hate crimes unit, it is passed on to them to investigate.

Mr. Maphango said he was told by police that they will investigate the complaint and determine whether Ms. Harder did in fact violate hate laws.

Members of the committee will be filing a lawsuit against Ms. Harder next week, he said.

"She should quit," he said. "If I were her, I would resign right away. She is not fit to be a leader in our community."

Ms. Harder was quoted yesterday saying about the recent violence: "The problem arises when a large group of -- I'm going to say it -- non-whites comes into our community looking to cause trouble."

Ms. Harder steadfastly denies being a racist or bigot, arguing that she was just using police terminology when she made the comment.

Instead, Ms. Harder called yesterday for an existing midnight curfew to be enforced across the city for anyone under age 16.

Reaction from a number of city councillors and leading members of the legal community ranged from dismay to disgust yesterday, saying the idea threatens civil liberties and could lead to racial profiling.

Ms. Harder called for the curfew in response to an incidence of violence in her community -- namely an attack by a group of about 12 youths in which a 23-year-old man was slashed by a knife early this month in Barrhaven.

Ms. Harder said she met Thursday with Ottawa police Insp. Ralph Erfle and a city bylaw officer who told her a curfew would be enforced in the near future.

Under the Ontario Child and Family Services Act of 1984, any child under age 16 found loitering in a public place without adult supervision, between the hours of midnight and 6 a.m., can be escorted home by police or have their parents pick them up.

The rarely enforced law also states that parents or guardians of children out during these times are punishable by a $1,000 fine or up to one year in jail.

Kanata Councillor Alex Munter said Ms. Harder's calls for a curfew raise serious concerns in light of her recent comments about "non-whites" bringing violence into her ward.

"If this tool at the behest of a politician becomes a device for racial profiling and stopping people simply because of the colour of their skin, then it is wrong," Mr. Munter said.

Ms. Harder admitted she'll take some heat if the far-reaching curfew is imposed, but plans on marching ahead with or without support from colleagues.

"Some councillors are going to be opposed to that because they're going to have a lot of parents calling them and giving them a hard time," Ms. Harder said.

"The way I look at it is that it's a law and it should be enforced. We have to encourage all parents to take responsibility for where their kids are.

"It's not martial law. It's a tool police can use and that's what's critical," she added.

Rideau-Rockcliffe Councillor Jacques Legendre, vice-chairman of the Ottawa Police Services Board, wants police to discuss the issue with council because a curfew isn't necessary across the city.

Lawrence Greenspon, an Ottawa criminal defence lawyer, also reacted to the call for a curfew enforcement. "What is this, the little kids War Measures Act?" he asked. "It's an outrageous overreaction to wholesale suspend young people's rights because there's a small, small minority that are causing some violence in the city.

"Wouldn't you think the more appropriate response would be to beef up police presence?"

Carey MacLellan, a criminal defence lawyer specializing in youth law, was appalled at the idea of a city-wide curfew.

"It's ludicrous. It's craziness. Why wouldn't a 15-year-old be allowed out past midnight because there's some robberies occurring in Barrhaven at 8 p.m.," he said. "Youth crime isn't a big problem after midnight, period."

Police spokeswoman Staff Sgt. Monique Ackland wouldn't comment on Ms. Harder's remarks that "non-white" youths are going to Barrhaven to harass people and commit crimes.

"When youths gather, they sometimes cause problems," she said. "That can happen anywhere in the city with any group."

Staff Sgt. Ackland said police policy is to identify the race of a person only if it serves a purpose such as describing a suspect they are looking for in relation to a particular crime. They do not keep statistics on the race of people who commit crimes, she said.

Staff Sgt. Shamus Hall, who works in the west end, said police generally enforce a curfew in the summer months when more youths are loitering and drinking in parks.

Similar curfews have been imposed in municipalities across the province -- including Kanata before amalgamation.
 
"Nepean This Week"有一期揭露这个姐们用纳税人的钱聘请自己的侄女做秘书.本地没有为避免裙带关系让亲属回避的法律(美国很多地方有),是因为大家以为加拿大人比美国人更加descent,更自觉,city counsillor不需要这样的法律约束.文章要求Jan Harder向大家解释清楚这件事,但是没有看见她有什么回应.

象这样的人,下回还是回家做饭,别出来干了.
 
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"Nepean This Week"有一期揭露这个姐们用纳税人的钱聘请自己的侄女做秘书.本地没有为避免裙带关系让亲属回避的法律(美国很多地方有),是因为大家以为加拿大人比美国人更加descent,更自觉,city counsillor不需要这样的法律约束.文章要求Jan Harder向大家解释清楚这件事,但是没有看见她有什么回应.

象这样的人,下回还是回家做饭,别出来干了.

如果是在OTTAWACITIZEN上的文章,她可能就会有反应了。
 
Councilor Defends Comments
Bob Perreault
Friday, June 20, 2003

Councillor Jan harder is on the defensive for saying "non-whites" are causing trouble in Barrhaven.

She says they come into the community looking for trouble. The comments come after a 23-year-old man was knifed earlier this month.

Harder defended her comments on CFRA Friday morning with Steve Madely, saying that "non-whites" is a term used by police. She say's its ridiculous for anyone to take the comment as racist and anyone who knows her would think the story is ridiculous.

The "non-whites" comment was made during an article in "Nepean this Week".
 
It's rather unfortunate where Jan Harder drew the line: "non-whites" vs. "whites".

While discussing the problem of violence and crime in Barrhaven, Harder told Nepean This Week: "The problem arises when a large group of -- I'm going to say it -- non-whites coming into our community looking to cause trouble."

She knew at that very moment when she was making the comment that it would be controversial, but still made that comment, therefore she should have been prepared to accept the consequences of her action. We must be aware that the majority of Canadians are NOT racist, however it is undeniable that a very small percentage of the population is. Her comment, while seemingly innocent (used in the police report as Harder claimed), may further confirmed the racist view of this small percentage of the population. As a politician, a public figure, Harder should at the very least be more careful with her choice of words.

Harder made similar racial comments in April of 2001 that angered the Ottawa Chinese community. "What's coming up is a huge Asian influence, if you will, with people moving to Nepean and Kanata of that background," Harder said at the time. Until today, she still refuses to apologize for making the "Asian influence" comment, and said that those comments were simply misunderstood.

Her supporters believe that she is not racist, but was only speaking the truth. I heard on the radio this morning that some labor union or human rights committee are prepared to sue Jan Harder for making the "non-whites" comment. It would be interesting to see how this comment will affect Harder's political career.
 
I had sent an email to Jan Harder demanding an apology.
 
最初由 渐渐 发布
I had sent an email to Jan Harder demanding an apology.

I don't see anything wrong here. Why can we always say " Lao Wai"
"Yang Ren", "Gui Lao", "Bai Ren"? and she cann't just say something like none white, and I believe those gangs are indeed non white. I feel that in this country and in US, the discrimination are abused by politician and some minority. I admit that we should fight for the discrimination (like the incident when a Chinese woman were let off the bus a while ago), but at the same time, why should we check our behaviors and try to improve them and denounce those guys whose bad behaviors affect our overall reputation as minority.
 
Maybe I can be called a "racist" too. :D, but if I dare make a bet, let statisticians tell us, which ethic group makes the largest crime offences either in terms of population percentage or absolute number. Personally, I have seen too many non-Chinese and non-whites people make non-decent behavious on buses or in parks or apartment buildings even libraries.
I do not care much about the words from politicians or other popular figures unless the words are groundless.
I'd say our image and confidence come from our deeds not from others' mouths.
 
最初由 lifeisfun 发布


I don't see anything wrong here. Why can we always say " Lao Wai"
"Yang Ren", "Gui Lao", "Bai Ren"? and she cann't just say something like none white, and I believe those gangs are indeed non white.

How do you know? You think Hell's Angel are all Asian or African?


I feel that in this country and in US, the discrimination are abused by politician and some minority. I admit that we should fight for the discrimination (like the incident when a Chinese woman were let off the bus a while ago), but at the same time, why should we check our behaviors and try to improve them and denounce those guys whose bad behaviors affect our overall reputation as minority.

In this case, Harder's comments are highly improper. She was blaming the violence in Barhaven to "Non white kids" , well accurately speaking, non-white kids outside barhaven. What she said was not helping the situation. In stead, she was deviding the communities into "white" vs "Non-white".As a consellor, she is not doing her job right. I hope she resigns.
 
Easy: because I'm a nobody and she's a public figure. In simple terms, her opinion matters.

While the incident with the 23 years-old in Barrhaven was tragic and troublesome, the real problem is not race but gang violence. A gang is a gang is a gang no matter what skin color the ganster has. Because a few high-profile sex crimes were commited by "whites", is it acceptable then to conclude that the problem of sex offences is primarily caused by "whites"?! Where is the logic in this kind of reasoning?

Harder's explanation for making the "non-whites" comment is obviously an irresponsible excuse to save her career. Although visible minority accounts for one fifth of the population in Ottawa, the very fact that Harder outspokenly made this racial comment indicates that the fight against racism still has a long way to go. Harder should not get away easily with that comment.


最初由 lifeisfun 发布


I don't see anything wrong here. Why can we always say " Lao Wai"
"Yang Ren", "Gui Lao", "Bai Ren"? and she cann't just say something like none white, and I believe those gangs are indeed non white. I feel that in this country and in US, the discrimination are abused by politician and some minority. I admit that we should fight for the discrimination (like the incident when a Chinese woman were let off the bus a while ago), but at the same time, why should we check our behaviors and try to improve them and denounce those guys whose bad behaviors affect our overall reputation as minority.
 
最初由 渐渐 发布
Easy: because I'm a nobody and she's a public figure. In simple terms, her opinion matters.

While the incident with the 23 years-old in Barrhaven was tragic and troublesome, the real problem is not race but gang violence. A gang is a gang is a gang no matter what skin color the ganster has. Because a few high-profile sex crimes were commited by "whites", is it acceptable then to conclude that the problem of sex offences is primarily caused by "whites"?! Where is the logic in this kind of reasoning?

Harder's explanation for making the "non-whites" comment is obviously an irresponsible excuse to save her career. Although visible minority accounts for one fifth of the population in Ottawa, the very fact that Harder outspokenly made this racial comment indicates that the fight against racism still has a long way to go. Harder should not get away easily with that comment.



Well said. Support Jianjian
 
最初由 terry 发布


Well said. Support Jianjian

Here are my points:
1) What concerns me most is that she use word "invade" for just one crime case.
2) Second, her tone <<"non-white" invades community>> is strong offencing.
3) I support beating crime, who doesn't she say "some black (or other nation) criminal guys were committed to this crime" which would be much better than what she said before.

Tell me her Email address and tel number.
 
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