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http://ca.finance.yahoo.com/blogs/dashboard/why-cisco-betting-big-ontario-r-d-194346960.html

Why Cisco is betting big on Ontario R&D

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By Carmi Levy | Dashboard – Fri, 13 Dec, 2013 2:43 PM EST
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Today's announcement of a major tech investment by Cisco and the Province of Ontario is a signal that after a year of challenging headlines, Canada's tech space isn't packing up its tents and going home.
Cisco has signed a 10-year agreement with the Province of Ontario that, among other things, promises to create up to 1,700 high-tech jobs - focused on research and development - within six years. By 2014, Cisco could spend upwards of C$4 billion, including $2.2 billion in salaries, in bringing its Ontario staffing complement up to 5,000. The provincial government will kick in $220 million over the life of the deal.
Talent is the goal
The payoff for the global networking technology company extends beyond dollars. In a statement, Cisco says the agreement will enable it "to harness Ontario’s skilled workforce, renowned educational institutions and competitive business climate."
As global conglomerates like Caterpillar, Heinz and Kellogg's continue to shutter factories in Ontario's struggling manufacturing sector, today's announcement gives the provincial government a needed bit of positive news. Premier Kathleen Wynne calls it one of the largest job-creation initiatives in the high-tech sector, and says long-term vision is key to the Ontario economy's next chapter.
“The province gets a willing partner in helping it generate momentum in an increasingly technology-driven global economy,” she said. “Our plan to create jobs and grow the economy is focused on smart, forward-looking investments that build on Ontario’s strengths. Today’s announcement is about supporting our talented technology workers. Together, we’re going to show the world what Ontario can do.”
Calling the agreement a “significant milestone,” Cisco Canada President Nitin Kawale, said the deal builds on an existing partnership that includes investments in university chairs, an upcoming new and expanded Toronto headquarters, participation in the technology infrastructure partnership for the 2015 Pan Am Games, and Smart + Connected™ community initiatives.
“Together with the Province we will create, high value jobs that will stimulate the economy,” Kawale said. “This initiative will also ensure that Ontario continues to be a leader in the information and communications technology industry, with a vast talent pool representing the country’s next generation of innovation.”
Ontario’s Minister of Economic Development, Trade and Employment, Dr. Eric Hoskins, said the announcement may be Ontario-centric, but it ultimately positions Ontario as a global tech industry leader.
“We’re sending a message to the world that Ontario is the best place anywhere for business to innovate, grow and create jobs,” he said. “Today’s investment and the jobs it will create are part of our plan to create opportunity today and for the long-term.”
The tax credit solution
Last month, Ontario Finance Minister Charles Sousa confirmed the provincial government was thinking of encouraging industry to boost R&D spending through the use of tax credits.
Calling it a “play or pay” type of incentive, Sousa said the rule change would encourage companies to use their cash reserves - which many have been holding close to the vest amid the still-slow economic recovery.
“If those companies don't initiate those investments, don't provide for those supports, then they pay what they're paying now,” he said. “If they do other things, if they play, they get a better rate.”
Sousa said Ontario’s R&D spending, as a percentage of GDP, lags the U.S., and the gap might worsen if American states continue to aggressively push R&D tax credits to attract investment. It’s a race Ontario can’t afford to lose.
“We recognize that we have to continue finding those stimulus initiatives for those businesses to invest in those particular areas,” he said. “Other parts of the world are using incremental tax credits in a better form than Ontario has been doing.”
Carmi Levy is a London, Ont.-based independent technology analyst and journalist. The opinions expressed are his own. carmilevy@yahoo.ca
 
Tax buy Jobs but it could be good for Ottawa.
 
先算一笔简单的算数, 安省十年给予思科税补贴220百万。平均每年每个新雇员工给予补贴为220000000/10/1700 = 12941。17

所以上面雅虎安省人的的评论并不客观, 事实上安省固然出了血, 可是毕竟思科要投资比例更多的钱, 而这些钱一定会对安省经济有帮助。

我们都知道思科美国员工工资比思科加拿大员工要高, 但是近几年加币不断升值后其实差距被拉小了, 更何况如果真的评估每个独立部门的效益, 即使美国工资高美国总部的效益不见得差。而美国比加拿大有更多的大学生来源。美国本身也需要扩大就业, 鼓励研发,仅仅是因为安省给予每人每年1万三千元的补贴, 思科就选择在安省而不是美国扩大研发仍然让我很怀疑思科的动机。

但是如果说, 加币跌回1:1。4 - 1:1。6, 我觉得一切就都顺理成章了。

首先不是1700人
是5000人

其次,ottawa is cheaper than US but more expensive than india. india doesn't deliver but ottawa does

就这么简单

怀疑什么动机, lol
 
先算一笔简单的算数, 安省十年给予思科税补贴220百万。平均每年每个新雇员工给予补贴为220000000/10/1700 = 12941。17

所以上面雅虎安省人的的评论并不客观, 事实上安省固然出了血, 可是毕竟思科要投资比例更多的钱, 而这些钱一定会对安省经济有帮助。

我们都知道思科美国员工工资比思科加拿大员工要高, 但是近几年加币不断升值后其实差距被拉小了, 更何况如果真的评估每个独立部门的效益, 即使美国工资高美国总部的效益不见得差。而美国比加拿大有更多的大学生来源。美国本身也需要扩大就业, 鼓励研发,仅仅是因为安省给予每人每年1万三千元的补贴, 思科就选择在安省而不是美国扩大研发仍然让我很怀疑思科的动机。

但是如果说, 加币跌回1:1。4 - 1:1。6, 我觉得一切就都顺理成章了。
工资低30帕,不用买医疗保险又至少10帕,政府给10帕。50帕了!:D
 
首先不是1700人
是5000人

其次,ottawa is cheaper than US but more expensive than india. india doesn't deliver but ottawa does

就这么简单

怀疑什么动机, lol

现在和麦骗党签的任何东西,我都怀疑。
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...bs-in-ontario-amid-manufacturing-decline.html

The jobs are part of a 10-year pact with Ontario to invest $4 billion in the province, including $2.2 billion in salaries, the San Jose, California-based company said in a statement. Cisco already has 1,300 employees in Ontario and may increase that to 5,000 by 2024, Karin Scott, a spokeswoman for Cisco, said in an e-mail.

好象你一直说要多净招5000人, 我读下来的意思是最多安省总共会有5000员工。定数净增加1700, 可能净增加3700.

这很奇怪的给我一种计划经济的感觉, 从1300不管增加到3000还是5000都是一个战略投资。也许加拿大大学的某个学科思科很喜欢。

还有就是, 我比较的是加拿大和美国的效率和两个国家对扩大就业的饥渴感, 不是和印度做比较。
waterloo计算机很牛的
 
http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2013-...bs-in-ontario-amid-manufacturing-decline.html

The jobs are part of a 10-year pact with Ontario to invest $4 billion in the province, including $2.2 billion in salaries, the San Jose, California-based company said in a statement. Cisco already has 1,300 employees in Ontario and may increase that to 5,000 by 2024, Karin Scott, a spokeswoman for Cisco, said in an e-mail.

好象你一直说要多净招5000人, 我读下来的意思是最多安省总共会有5000员工。定数净增加1700, 可能净增加3700.

这很奇怪的给我一种计划经济的感觉, 从1300不管增加到3000还是5000都是一个战略投资。也许加拿大大学的某个学科思科很喜欢。

还有就是, 我比较的是加拿大和美国的效率和两个国家对扩大就业的饥渴感, 不是和印度做比较。

waterloo, waterloo, waterloo.

是up to 5k, hire 3700

不算什么战略投资,裁x招y是cisco一向的原则,fresh blood.
 
Actually, not every Ontarian is happy about it.

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