天主教教义中是否存在玛利亚崇拜?

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  2. Pope Francis To Followers: “Koran And Holy Bible Are The Same”
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    On Monday the Bishop Of Rome addressed Catholic followers regarding the dire importance of exhibiting religious tolerance. During his hour-long speech, a smiling Pope Francis was quoted telling the Vatican’s guests that the Koran, and the spiritual teachings contained therein, are just as valid as the Holy Bible.

    “Jesus Christ, Jehovah, Allah. These are all names employed to describe an entity that is distinctly the same across the world. For centuries, blood has been needlessly shed because of the desire to segregate our faiths. This, however, should be the very concept which unites us as people, as nations, and as a world bound by faith. Together, we can bring about an unprecedented age of peace, all we need to achieve such a state is respect each others beliefs, for we are all children of God regardless of the name we choose to address him by. We can accomplish miraculous things in the world by merging our faiths, and the time for such a movement is now. No longer shall we slaughter our neighbors over differences in reference to their God.”

    The pontiff drew harsh criticisms in December after photos of the 78-year-old Catholic leader was released depicting Pope Francis kissing a Koran. The Muslim Holy Book was given to Francis during a meeting with Muslim leaders after a lengthy Muslim prayer held at the Vatican.

    St. John Paul II has courted several controversies since being elected as Pope Benedicto XVI’s replacement in 2013. Francis has gone on record to say that homosexuals are not to be judged, Proselytism is nonsense and has endorsed the usage of contraceptive by Catholics.

    The Vatican will meet again with Muslim leaders in late February where they plan to talk about further steps that can be taken to spread understanding and awareness of the Islamic religion.

    - See more at: http://nationalreport.net/pope-francis-followers-koran-holy-bible/#sthash.DPYgc2MO.dpuf
     
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    The Second Vatican Council taught that Muslims worship the one true God:

    The Church regards with esteem also the Muslims. They adore the one God, living and subsisting in himself; merciful and all-powerful, the Creator of heaven and earth, who has spoken to men; they take pains to submit wholeheartedly to even his inscrutable decrees, just as Abraham, with whom the faith of Islam takes pleasure in linking itself, submitted to God. (Nostra Aetate 3)

    http://www.catholic.com/quickquesti...ate-opinion-that-muslims-worship-the-same-god
     
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    God says in the Holy Bible: "This is my Son, whom I love; with him I am well pleased." (Matthew 3:17)

    Jesus says in the Holy Bible: "My Father has entrusted everything to me. No one truly knows the Son except the Father, and no one truly knows the Father except the Son and those to whom the Son chooses to reveal him." (Luke 10:20)

    Sura 19:20,34, Jesus praised his birth and then said, “I am the servant of Allah.” And Allah teaches, “It is not for God to take a son unto Him.” Here we have Jesus speaking denying everything he said in the Bible.

    In Sura 10:68-70 They say: “God hath begotten a son!” - Glory be to Him! He is self- sufficient! His are all things in the heavens and on earth! No warrant have ye for this! say ye about God what ye know not? Say: “Those who invent a lie against God will never prosper.” A little enjoyment in this world!- and then, to Us will be their return, then shall We make them taste the severest penalty for their blasphemies.”
     
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    教皇吻了可兰经,
     
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    I heard about that but haven't found any solid evidence.
     
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    基督爱着穆斯林
     
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    何以見得?
     
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    首先, 先談談這個文章的原作者 David Cloud 是何許人也?
    這裡是 David Cloud 的自我介紹:
    http://www.greatpreachers.org/clouds_testimony.html


    講到自己點威點威,有幾多讚賞.....
    內容卻没有對他在神學上的訓練有任何交代,
    一般情況, 不提, 就是不消提, 没有值得賣弄的地方。




    In 2003, for example, I researched the lives of Wycliffe, Tyndale, Erasmus, and the Waldenses on a trip to England, Wales, the Netherlands, Belgium, Germany, Switzerland, and Italy.
    不知他所指的 "research" 是甚麼類型?
    我在網上click, click, click 也可以說是 `research'喔!


    基本上, 此人未夠資格在天主教教理上著書立論。

    簡單四個字: 不學無術
     
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    就先拿第一點來論一論。
    新教的開山始祖馬丁路德也是認同相信「在舉行聖餐禮的時候」基督的真在。
    只是新教後期各支派, 分的分的, 傳的傳的, 愈傳愈失真,
    教的不止與本來的羅馬公教會不同, 連與馬丁路德的都不同了。
    現在翻版貨還來告原廠侵權似的。

    一世紀至四世紀的教會神師, 都是異口同聲地認同餅, 酒...是耶穌的血和肉。
    不是梵二會議發明出來的教義。

    未到16世紀, 公教會尚未分裂出新教。
    這個公教會也是新教的前身。
    按 David Cloud 的論點, 馬丁路德的路德會也是異端了?

    公教與新教分裂, 更不因為在餅酒是否真的血和肉的問題上。


    所以, 不是天主教會不肯改,
    而是你根本就是走歪了, 是你離開本道失真才是。
     
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    "一九一七年,圣母在葡国法蒂玛显现给三小孩,从五月十三日起每月一次,先后共六次。最后一次,在天空还出现了太阳奇迹。每次显现时,都要求他们热心念玫瑰经。

    圣母最后一次显现时说:『我是玫瑰之后,我要唤醒世界人类的信德,纠正他们的生活,祈求天主宽恕他们的罪,他们不可再冒犯吾主耶稣,因为祂已被人冒犯太多了,他们该天天念玫瑰经。你们要好好的念玫瑰经。倘若人们肯悔改,战争就会平息。你们须祈祷,多行祈祷,并为罪人多行克苦补赎。』

    十月份是玫瑰圣母月因此特制作本页,让大家也能在网路上找到恭念玫瑰经的方式。

    玫瑰之后玛利亚曾应许让热心恭念玫瑰经者得到许多圣宠,并使人革除恶习,脱离罪污,消灭异端。玫瑰经能使人修德、发展良好的事业;对于灵魂求得丰厚的圣宠;将人们势利的心换为爱天主的心,专务天国永远的事。圣母也应许凡念玫瑰经而依靠她的人,绝不致灭亡,也不致被困难包围,并可得到善终。罪人可因玫瑰经回头,义人因玫瑰经增加圣宠获得永生,一生必定得到天主的特别光照,并且充满圣宠,临终时可分得在天诸圣的功劳。"

    It's good to know that the worship of Mary is a very recent development among the Catholics.

    It seems to instill the concept that "圣母" has the power to 应许"依靠她的人,绝不致灭亡,也不致被困难包围,并可得到善终。罪人可因玫瑰经回头,义人因玫瑰经增加圣宠获得永生,一生必定得到天主的特别光照,并且充满圣宠,临终时可分得在天诸圣的功劳" to the minds and souls of Catholics is the only purpose of the "Rosaries" because everything else was quoted from the Holy Bible itself.
     
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    No wonder Jesus insisted to call Mary "woman" rather than "mother" publicly in so many occasions.
     
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    "圣母也应许凡念玫瑰经而依靠她的人,绝不致灭亡"

    使徒行传 4 :12 "除了他以外,别无拯救,因为在天下人间,没有赐下别的名,我们可以靠着得救。"
    "Acts 4:12 Salvation is found in no one else, for there is no other name under heaven given to mankind by which we must be saved.”
     
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    就用你搬來的文:
    有那處地方聖母是要人對她當神般拜的?
    她勸人多歸向耶穌, 有甚麼不妥?
     
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    "圣母也应许凡念玫瑰经而依靠她的人,绝不致灭亡"

    使徒行传 4 :12 "除了他以外,别无拯救,因为在天下人间,没有赐下别的名我们可以靠着得救。"
     

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