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  1. 飞来客

    飞来客 本站元老 ID:64158 VIP

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    没看帖,没有什么好说的,中美就好比是:美国已经到了更年期,而中国正在青春发育期,一个经验丰富、财大气粗,一个年轻力壮、学习勤奋,以后的发展不用说了吧。
     
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    都发育得这么壮了还不报日本侵略之仇? 先把钓鱼岛拿下,看美国敢介入么
     
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    https://news.toutiaoabc.com/newspark/view.php?app=news&act=view&nid=297472

    “新时代中美望厦条约草案”美方文本中译外泄(组图)

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      1.在2020年前降低贸易逆差从3500亿降低到2000亿,但是我不会卖给你最值钱的和你最需要的尖端科技设备~及其相关知识产权,而且我的盟友也不许卖给你(必须维持高科技禁运,虽然巴通我说了算),而且我没有什么大宗的值钱的商品和服务可以卖给你来平衡贸易,但是这我不管,你自己想办法降低贸易逆差。

      2.放弃你们的2025计划,不许和我们正面竞争高端产业那是我的蛋糕,停止你们对相关行业的政府补贴,当然我可以对我的生物工程~航空航天~超大规模集成电路等领域给与巨额政府补贴,但这是我的事跟你没关系。

      3.不许你们对美国的农产品征收报复性关税,因为那会伤害我们的利益,但是我必须对你们的商品征收惩罚性关税,不许还手。

      4.不许你们的红色资本投资美国的敏感领域(怎么个敏感法我说了算)但是我们投资你们的相关领域,必须全部放开,不许限制和报复,而且要在7月1日前大尺度放开外商~也就是我们美国的投资准入领域和控制幅度。

      5.把中国商品的关税降低到美国的水平,(什么你们是发展中国家要保护脆弱的国内产业),这我不管,我不想跟你们争论,也受够了跟你们争论你们是不是发达国家,总之你们有关税壁垒,必须铲除。

      6.我们每个季度都会评估你们遵守我们的要求的情况,以上条件你们必须同意,不然我们就继续采取必要的行动比如加大关税征收范围什么的。

      有点长看完了吧~霸权的嘴脸~不过没毛病~帝国主义不都这样吗。

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    飞来客,向问天, 这么丧权辱国的要求, 简直是侮辱今上。

    必须马上提高大豆关税, 全面断了共和党中期选举的票仓,现在的权利不用就作废了。!!!!!!!
     
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    习包不是毛左,他搞得那套就是巩固他领导权威罢了。毛左现在尽管大部分时候是贬义,但是毛左精神有精华,用得好,一两拨千斤。
     
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    你先去问问在美国东西海岸住着的中国权贵们的子女答应么?
     
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    当然了, 他们钱已经到手, 中美关系越僵硬就越需要他们中间火中取梨
     
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    李鸿章很伟大。。。比林则徐伟大。。当然最伟大的还是曾文正。。
     
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    别冲动,还不是时候,想想老飞跟你说的美国佬已经到了更年期的比喻吧。琉球更重要,等琉球独立了再说这个也不迟。
     
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    王师北定中原日, 陆游等了快九百年了。

    一万年太久, 只争朝夕,加紧吹,完命干,英特纳雄乃儿一定会实现。
     
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    爱因斯坦忘了『主不可以怒而兴师,将不可以愠而致战』吗?合于利而动,不合于利而止,方能立于不败之地。美国人自然也懂得这道理,但我们是出《孙子兵法》的国度,不妨比比看,就看谁更有能耐。
     
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    这场贸易战,对中国而言未尝不是件好事。可加速核心技术的自主化。中国够大,产品够全,西方不亮东方亮,美国想压制是压制不了的,可能还会赔了夫人又折兵。
     
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    本次会谈, 美国方面重要贸易大员倾巢出动,(财政部长, 商务部长, 白宫主要幕僚,美国对外贸易首席谈判代表), 这些人虽然不做最后决定, 但是川普的决定必然出自这批人之手, 堪称美国贸易军机处。

    再看中国方面, 一反往日高调宣扬中美经济谈判的节奏, 相关报道十分的低调,媒体上只提刘鹤一人, 且不说刘的资历地位跟美国贸易军机处是否相称,但其遮掩的态度十分令人疑惑。

    当会谈内容爆光后, 事情真相就浮出水面了。 原来美国军机处不是来谈判的, 而是来开条件通牒的。对于美国开出的这些要求, 一定是这些美国中堂或者章京非常熟悉的领域, 对于每一条的提出, 都有着背后的理由,落实的手段, 检查的方式配套,而中方的与会人员,其实是早就知道这不是个谈判, 而是个通牒会, 所以参与者的任务是会议记录员和细节落实者。那自然也不需要地位对等了,所谓谈判完全是糊弄老百姓的。

    而这次通牒会, 本身就是前些时间刘鹤到美国求来的,可能还顶着其他国内势力的撤轴和反对。现在先不说这些要求公不公正, 内容的泄露必然导致中国内部鹰派的反抗, 时间还有, 习大大是英雄还是狗熊,是一代明君还是色厉内荏,这一战必可见分晓。而川普方面, 把所有其他公务放到一边, 两大部长, 两大幕僚全部集中精力到中国花两天来提条件,可见他们对此期望有多高多快,如果没有效果, 那就是只有翻脸动手。
     
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    从CBC的这篇来看,双方差别巨大

    No deal: Progress made, but U.S. trade delegation leaves China empty-handed

    2 sides said to remain far apart as Steven Mnuchin leaves after several days of meetings

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    U.S. Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin met with Chinese officials for several days this week. (Jason Lee/Reuters)
    Top officials from China and the United States reached a consensus on some aspects of the countries' trade row, but disagreements over other issues remain "relatively big," according to the Chinese government on Friday.

    The talks over the past two days have involved a high-level U.S. trade delegation led by Treasury Secretary Steven Mnuchin and senior Chinese officials, and followed months of threats and counter-threats from both sides in a series of disputes over trade practices.


    Below are some key points from framework proposals put forward by the two countries at the start of the talks, according to sources with knowledge of the matter, and what is known of the outcome:

    Tariffs
    Chinese proposal: Said it would lower tariffs on some U.S. products, including cars.
    U.S. proposal: Asked China to cut tariffs on all products to levels no higher than that of the United States. Washington will impose additional tariffs if China fails to comply with agreed-upon commitments.
    What we know of outcome: The two sides exchanged opinions on solving tariff issues, according to reports from the official Chinese government press office, Xinhua News Agency.

    Bilateral trade
    Chinese proposal: China proposed increasing imports from the United States; asked U.S. to let its government and companies freely buy and use Chinese technology products and services; asked the U.S. to resume imports of cooked poultry from China.
    U.S. proposal: Asked China to cut trade imbalance immediately and cut its trade surplus in goods with the United States by at least $200 billion by 2020; asked China not to distort trade through investment restrictions and ensure any investment restrictions or conditions imposed by China were "narrow and transparent."
    What we know of outcome: The two sides exchanged opinions on expanding U.S. exports to China and bilateral services trade, said Xinhua.

    Chinese proposal: Asked United States to treat Chinese investments equally under national security reviews; asked United States to stop issuing restrictions on new investments; agreed to implement its commitment to open up its financial and manufacturing sectors; proposed discussion on increasing film import quotas with U.S. and further opening up its Hainan free trade zone.
    U.S. proposal: Asked China not to oppose, challenge, or otherwise retaliate against the United States' imposition of restrictions on investments from China in sensitive U.S. technology sectors or sectors critical to U.S. national security, in light of China's investment restrictions and state-directed investment in sensitive U.S. technology sectors, including industrial plans such as Made in China 2025; asked China to give U.S. investors in China fair, effective and non-discriminatory market access and treatment.
    What we know of outcome: the two sides exchanged views on expanding two-way investment, according to Xinhua.

    Intellectual property
    Chinese proposal: Requested United States terminate its Section 301 IP probe, not implement proposed 25 per cent tariffs.
    U.S. proposal: Asked China to protect U.S. IP by immediately ceasing market-distorting subsidies and other types of government support that can contribute to excess capacity in industries targeted by the Made in China 2025 plan; asked China to eliminate "specified policies and practices" with respect to technology transfer; asked China to agree to immediately cease the targeting of U.S. technology and IP through cyber operations, economic espionage, counterfeiting, and piracy, and abide by U.S. export control laws.
    What we know of outcome: the United States and China exchanged views on IP protection, said Xinhua.

    Mobile company ZTE
    Chinese proposal: United States should listen to ZTE's appeal on sanctions that have been levied against it over allegations that the company sold goods to Iran in violation of U.S. sanctions
    U.S. proposal: No mention of ZTE
    What we know of outcome: China lodged solemn representations on ZTE, the United States attached great value to those representations, Xinhua said.

    Agriculture
    Chinese proposal: China offered to consider new information provided by U.S. firms on Beijing's anti-dumping probe on sorghum imported from the United States.
    U.S. proposal: Asked China not to take any retaliatory action directed at imports of U.S. agricultural products in response to any U.S. actions, including any new U.S. restrictions on investments or imports; asked China to improve market access for U.S. agricultural products and U.S. services "in specified ways."

     
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    https://www.cnbc.com/2018/05/10/com...y-more-us-goods-considerable-gap-remains.html

    Commerce Secretary Ross: We're trying to get China to buy more US goods, 'considerable gap' remains
    Jeff Cox | @JeffCoxCNBCcom
    Published 1 Hour Ago Updated 51 Mins AgoCNBC.com
    Trade negotiations between U.S. and Chinese leaders are focused in part on getting China to buy more goods rather than getting it to ship less, Commerce Secretary Wilbur Ross said Wednesday.

    Fresh from a high-level meeting in China between members of both nations, Ross said there was progress made but that barriers remain.

    "The Chinese are very good at the rhetoric of free trade, but in fact they are probably the most protectionist country of the major countries," he told Tyler Mathisen during CNBC's Capital Exchange breakfast in Washington, D.C.


    Despite the criticism, he was at least pleased with China's willingness to listen and respond to U.S. concerns over a growing trade gap that President Donald Trump has pledged to bridge.

    "It was the right level of people," Ross said. "There's a considerable gap between what they put on the table and what we feel we need. But that's OK, you sort of expect that at this stage in the game."

    The U.S. has provided a list of products, such as soybeans, that it wants China to buy more of.

    Before leaving for the trip, the U.S. delegation had set a list of demands, which the Chinese officials had responded to by the time Americans arrived. While Ross said that much is progress, more remains to be done.

    "Us selling more to them has more bang for the buck for our economy to begin with, and it's probably less intrusive into their economy," he said.

    The China trade situation was part of a broader discussion.

    He also discussed the recent tariffs the U.S. has threatened to impose globally, particularly on aluminum and steel. While the U.S. has delayed implementation as it continues negotiating with affected parties, a June 1 deadline approaches.

    Ross cautioned countries, particularly those in the European Union, to get serious about resolving the issue.

    "The president is not a man of great patience, and so I wouldn't count on further extensions," he said.
     

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