能相信卡尔顿大学的这个毕业生吗?

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    这个并没有讲什么具体的东西吧。当时情况大致也就是这样,massacre也不过是他的推测而已,算不上实锤。
     
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    她应该亮出一下她在中国的证据,比如往返机票存根,或者旅馆的发票收据之类的。
     
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    你这对一个新闻稿的要求也太高了吧。谁还可能保留30年前的发票收据。
    没看见文章中有什么让人觉得不可信的地方。
     
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    没有事实性错误,但也意味着,她完全可以看完几片六四文章之后,就编出这篇文章来。
     
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    日本人同样可以说南京大屠杀的很多细节是土共胡编的
     
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    她为什么要那么做呢?好当网红?
     
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    凑热度吧,因为确实我也见过一些人,声称自己参与过六四,结果一聊天就露馅了,很多细节性错误。
     
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    6月3号下午看到军车包围着广场,这描述不对。
     
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    有很多细节性错误也不说明他/她在说谎。因为毕竟这么多年了,很多细节,比如确切日子都也可能忘了。但有影响的场景会记得
     
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    不可能。这种事情凡是经历过的人,都终身难忘
     
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    毕竟这么多年了,很多细节,比如确切日子都也可能忘了。但有影响的场景会记得。
    我自己的体会。信不信由你。
     
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    Wilson: I was there during the Tiananmen Square Massacre. 30 years later, I can't forget it
    Janet Wilson
    Updated: June 5, 2019

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    This file photo taken on June 2, 1989 shows people gathered at Tiananmen Square during a pro-democracy protest in Beijing. CATHERINE HENRIETTE / AFP/Getty Images


    I never saw “Tank Man” until two months after I returned from China. I replayed over and over a video of the slight young man in a white shirt and dark pants, standing unarmed in front of a line of tanks rolling into Tiananmen Square.

    He climbed onto a tank, spoke briefly to the driver, and was whisked away by police. I still wonder what became of him. Some say he was executed two weeks later; others say he went into hiding.

    Tuesday marks the 30th anniversary of the Tiananmen Square Massacre. It’s brought back a flood of memories, snapshots of several weeks in China when I glimpsed the excitement of a country on the brink of democratic reform and the aftermath of a massacre.

    I had graduated from Carleton University and was backpacking for several months with schoolmates in 1989. We arrived in Hong Kong in May, excited about our journey through China.

    On May 13, thousands of pro-democracy students had occupied Tiananmen Square beginning a hunger strike to press for political reform. At the same time, international media had descended upon Beijing in anticipation of a state visit by then-Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev, the first summit in 30 years between the two countries.

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    Vans turned over as part of the Tiananmen Square Massacre. (Photo: Janet Wilson) Courtesy Janet Wilson

    At the conclusion of Gorbachev’s visit, the government declared martial law, but it was half-hearted. Protesters blocked the army from entering Beijing and it retreated.

    As we made our way north toward Beijing by train, boat and bus, we watched the growing democratic movement flourish, in villages and cities. With universities and colleges closed, students and workers, protesting corruption and inflation, marched through the streets chanting democratic slogans and carrying red-and-white banners to display their solidarity with the Beijing protesters.

    Businesspeople, shopkeepers and even the elderly cheered them on. I spoke with a retired professor in Chengdu, Sichuan, who said there had never been so much spirit in China. He said he wished he could be a student again.

    We watched students climb aboard trains and buses headed for Beijing to join their comrades. Everywhere we went it seemed people were swept up in the student’s fervour for democracy.

    We arrived in Beijing on May 30. Every day, after visiting tourist sites, we stopped at Tiananmen Square to speak with the students in their scattered village of tents.

    The atmosphere was festive as they barbecued, sang along to rock music piped from loud speakers and huddled around guitars, strumming quietly in the hot afternoon sun.

    As foreigners, we enjoyed celebrity status. The students approached us, wondering what the world was hearing about their demonstration. They showed off their Goddess of Democracy statue, asked us to sign T-shirts and wanted to practise speaking English. A few said they were anxious to return to their studies.

    But on June 2, Deng Xiaoping, leader of the People’s Republic of China, and other Communist party leaders, humiliated by the international attention, ordered a military crackdown to end the crisis. On the afternoon of June 3, returning from an outing to the Great Wall, we headed to Tiananmen Square, which was now surrounded by army vehicles and tanks.

    When we tried to get a bus back to our hotel, we were told the army was enforcing martial law and that all public transportation had stopped. As we walked the several kilometres back to our hotel, we could feel the tension in the air. When we reached our destination, we had a late-night meal and then sat in the small lobby chatting with other guests. A few hours later, fellow backpackers who had rented bicycles returned from the square with harrowing stories.

    They said soldiers from the Chinese army – the People’s Liberation Army – were killing their own people. They were shooting at the pro-democracy protesters, while tanks rolled over anything that got in the way.

    We had little time to decide what to do. The hotel staff appeared dazed and could only inform us that roads were unsafe and, since it was Saturday morning, government offices were closed. Officials at the Canadian Embassy advised us to stay in our hotel and wait. As sporadic gunfire echoed in the streets and with train tickets to Shanghai booked in advance for June 4, we decided to make a dash for the station. Running into the street, we flagged down three male cyclists pulling vegetable carts, who agreed to take us for $20 each.

    We saw ambulances on fire, army vehicles flipped over, and debris strewn everywhere. The streets were jammed with hordes of people wearing pained expressions on their faces.

    The men who were pulling us in their carts began to panic and started to pedal even faster. The pandemonium increased as we rode parallel to the main street leading to the square.

    Crowds pushed over buses and torched them. People drove cars into lamp posts, knocking them over.

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    Janet Wilson interviewed in the paper after the Tiananmen Square Massacre.

    A Scottish tourist came up beside us on his bike and said the situation was chaotic as many Chinese people were retaliating after the shooting in the square. Soldiers separated from their units during the night had been attacked and killed by angry mobs.

    It took 40 minutes to get to the station. People were wailing with despair and it looked like thousands were trying to flee the city or perhaps were simply congregating to try to make sense of what was happening. We found the platform and our train pulled out of the station 10 minutes later.

    During the overnight train ride, tourists and Chinese businessmen gathered to swap stories about what they had seen. One man, who was sharing our compartment, told us he had spent the previous night in his office overlooking the square, watching soldiers mow down hundreds of students. He cried, saying he doubted that the world would ever find out what happened. The protesters were killed, but their ideas would never die, he said.

    We spent the next four days in Shanghai, waiting for a boat to Hong Kong. As word spread about what had happened in Beijing, there were spontaneous protests. At all hours of day and night, the streets were filled with citizens carrying wreaths, waving red flags and playing tape-recorded sounds of gunshots to mourn those killed in Beijing.

    No one knows for sure how many people died at Tiananmen Square. Reports are as high as several thousand. The Chinese government says fewer than 250 were killed, including soldiers. The events of June 1989 in Tiananmen Square have been conspicuously missing from China’s history books.

    Several years ago, my son befriended a Chinese exchange student in Ottawa. I showed him my photo album of the trip, and newspaper clippings. The boy, about 12, said he’d never heard of the massacre.

    The subject may remain taboo in China, but those in power know the world has never forgotten.

    I can’t – and won’t.

    Janet Wilson worked as an editor and writer at the Ottawa Citizen from 1995 to 2016
     
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    30年了。人的记忆力是极具创造性的。不能都说是撒谎
     
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    你们说的有道理,有时候人的记忆真的是靠不住的。
    我记得看过一个唐德刚访问李宗仁的故事,唐德刚准备一堆历史材料去访问李宗仁,然而很多历史细节李宗仁也记不清了,最后李宗仁干脆拍板说“就按你说的那么办吧。”可见很多历史细节李宗仁也忘了,人的记忆这得是靠不住。
    我还有一个亲身经历,就是我有一次和张俊宏聊天的时候,他把郑南榕讲成是蒋经国时期自焚的了,可见人的记忆真的是靠不住的。
     

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