自由党修改法律给恐怖分子国籍并仗多数否决保守党控告恐怖分子的提案

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    哪个动议?既然投票表决了,议会有档案记录。
     
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    On returning ISIS fighters, Canada has ‘responsibility’ not to ‘hand it off’ to others, MP says
    By Amanda Connolly Global News
    Posted October 28, 2018 11:15 am
    Updated October 30, 2018 8:55 pm

    Canada has a “responsibility” not to leave its ISIS fighters for some other country to deal with.

    Karen McCrimmon, parliamentary secretary for public safety, made that argument in an interview with the West Block’s Mercedes Stephenson, noting that doing otherwise would be the same as creating different classes of Canadian citizenship.

    “We don’t believe in two-tier citizenship and if someone’s a Canadian citizen, we’re responsible for them whether we like it or not,” she said.

    “When there’s Canadians abroad who have broken the law, it’s our responsibility to deal with it. We can’t just hand it off to some other nation to deal with.”

    Her remarks come after a week that saw the Liberals support a Conservative motion calling on the government to table its plan for dealing with and prosecuting returning ISIS fighters.

    As Global News has documented exclusively over recent weeks, there are 13 Canadians held by the Kurds in Syria on suspicion of having fought with ISIS.

    Of those individuals, three were male fighters, while another three are women.

    Seven are children.

    Kurdish officials have said they want other countries to take back their citizens.

    Unlike countries like the United Kingdom, Canada did not strip those who went to fight with ISIS of their citizenship.

    That means the government is not allowed to block their attempts to come home.

    But the question of just how much help the government should be offering is another matter entirely.

    “They made this decision to leave this country and to go somewhere else to become associated with a vile and heinous and atrocious terrorist organization. There are consequences that flow from that.”

    McCrimmon echoed her minister’s remarks.

    “Let’s make it quite clear,” she said. “Those people left the safety of Canadian democracy willingly and they’ve gone to fight with a heinous organization on the other side of the world. There has to be consequences for that and there will be.”

    She would not, however, say whether the government is considering providing more money to national security bodies like the RCMP to deal with the challenges of monitoring those individuals if they return, or amending any of the laws making it difficult for police to build cases that can stand up in court.

    “That’s a dilemma that we’re all dealing with,” she said.

    “We need to find the firm evidence and that’s exactly what we’re working on.”

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4600284/karen-mccrimmon-returning-isis-fighters/
     
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    MPs approve motion calling for government strategy on returning ISIS members
    By Stewart Bell and Amanda Connolly Global News
    Posted October 22, 2018 11:30 am
    Updated October 24, 2018 2:14 am

    The political debate over what to do with Canadians who were part of the so-called Islamic State returned to Parliament on Monday, with the Conservatives demanding a federal strategy on the matter.

    An opposition motion tabled in the House of Commons called on the government of Prime Minister Justin Trudeau to put forward a plan within 45 days for bringing to justice those who fought with ISIS.

    The Liberals said they would support the motion, despite disagreeing with some of it. “We will be supporting the Conservative’s opposition day motion,” the prime minister just said in question period.

    MPs approved the motion by a 280 to 1 vote on Tuesday night.

    MP Michelle Rempel introduced the motion, arguing the government should acknowledge that anyone who travelled abroad to take part in terrorism or genocide should face legal consequences.

    “To date this government under Justin Trudeau has failed to take action, and Andrew Scheer’s Conservatives are calling on the Prime Minister to immediately table a plan to serve justice to anyone who left our country to fight with this terrorist organization,” Rempel told reporters in Ottawa.

    The government should look into legal reforms that ensure the courts have access to evidence against terror suspects, while also providing adequate resources to security agencies to monitor them, she said.

    In particular, the government should encourage greater use of peace bonds that place conditions on terror suspects through electronic monitoring and restrictions on their social media use, Rempel said.

    The Conservatives also asked the government to support initiatives such as the one proposed over the weekend by Ontario Premier Doug Ford to cut off returning terrorist group members from provincial social programs.

    The longstanding problem of making use of intelligence information in the courts needed to be addressed, Rempel said.

    “How can we in Canada, within our own domestic laws, better link evidence that we do have, or evidence we gather through our intelligence sources, to the judicial process?”

    During debate on the motion, Karen McCrimmon, the parliamentary secretary for public safety, said the government was being “vigilant without being alarmist” and said two terror suspects had been convicted after returning to Canada and two more were awaiting trial.

    The federal government has come under pressure over its handling of terrorist fighters in the wake of a series of Global News reports about Canadians captured in Syria over allegations they had been involved in ISIS.

    One of them, Muhammad Ali, said in an interview he had served in an ISIS sniper unit. On social media, the Mississauga resident had also encouraged others to join ISIS or attack Canada.

    Global News has confirmed that U.S.-backed Kurdish forces are holding at least three Canadians accused of being ISIS fighters, three Canadian wives of ISIS foreign fighters and seven children.

    All want to return to Canada and the Syrian Democratic Forces, who are holding them, want to hand them over to the Canadian government. But none have yet been charged, raising questions about what will happen upon their return.

    Ralph Goodale has said anyone involved in terrorism would be investigated. “We will collect evidence and where that evidence is appropriate, we will lay charges to the full extent of the law.”

    But Rempel, the immigration critic, and public safety critic Pierre Paul-Hus, said the current procedure for bringing perpetrators of atrocities to justice was slow and failed victims.

    The opposition motion quoted Nobel Peace Prize winner Nadia Murad, an Iraqi Yazidi kidnapped by ISIS, who has written about her wish to see all ISIS members put on trial like Nazis following the Second World War.

    The motion urged the House to support Murad’s appeal for justice and called on the government “to refrain from repeating past mistakes of paying terrorists with taxpayers dollars or trying to reintegrate returning terrorists back into Canadian society, but rather table, within 45 days after the adoption of this motion, a plan to immediately bring to justice anyone, including those who are in Canada, or have Canadian citizenship, and have fought as an ISIS terrorist or participated in any terrorist activity.”

    The Conservatives also asked the government to recognize that ISIS committed atrocities against ethnic and religious minorities, notably Yazidis, Iraqi Christians, Coptic Christians and Shias.

    Canada should acknowledge “that every person who took up arms with ISIS is as complicit as its leaders and must face justice,” Rempel said during debate over the motion.

    “While we don’t agree with every word of the motion, we’re supporting it as an endorsement of Nadia Murad and as a show of solidarity that Canadians are united in our determination to see terrorists brought to justice,” said Scott Bardsley, Goodale’s spokesperson.

    https://globalnews.ca/news/4580635/tories-motion-isis-returning-fighters-canada/
     
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    看看上面两篇报道!

    "The Liberals said they would support the motion, despite disagreeing with some of it. “We will be supporting the Conservative’s opposition day motion,” the prime minister just said in question period.

    MPs approved the motion by a 280 to 1 vote on Tuesday night."

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    "Her remarks come after a week that saw the Liberals support a Conservative motion calling on the government to table its plan for dealing with and prosecuting returning ISIS fighters."

    用自己的脑子。怎么可能没有报道,顺手就搜到很多。

    只有你简单接受那些谎言。

    事实是自由党支持保守党的动议。那个动议在众议院只有1票反对通过了!
     
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    扯什么七里八里。直接看看投票表决过程不就行了?
     
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    这就是民主。各为其党。没党为国
     
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    "The Liberals said they would support the motion, despite disagreeing with some of it. “We will be supporting the Conservative’s opposition day motion,” the prime minister just said in question period.

    MPs approved the motion by a 280 to 1 vote on Tuesday night."

    https://q107.com/news/4745081/my-goals-government-strategy-isis-fighters/

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    与事实不符。事实是自由党支持保守党的动议,那个动议在众议院以280:1通过了!
     
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    投票视频摆在那里。你在说啥呢?看了吗?否认得了吗?
     
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    CFC都快成谣言发源地了
     

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