“TULIP”的圣经根据

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  2. 我们不应该专注于这些神学观念是那个神学家的提出来的。我们应该专注于了解这些神学观念是否符合神借着圣经赐给我们的启示。
    (躲个懒,这里有网上收集的现成的相关经文 https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm#unconditional

    Calvin emphasized the role God plays in the process of salvation. He theorized that believers were predestined to salvation. This means that before God had even created the world, he chose which people would be beneficiaries of his gift of salvation.

    Calvin affirmed a strict understanding of God's sovereignty. He believed that God was in complete control over humanity's actions and that nothing happens unless God wills it. The five foundational tenets of Calvinism are often referred to as 'points.' Let's take a look at each point of the acronym T.U.L.I.P.

    Total depravity: This is the belief that all human beings are sinful and are born with an inherent sin-nature. Every human is completely sinful from the moment of birth.

    Unconditional election: This is the belief that God predestined individuals for salvation, and that individuals cannot choose God without God enabling them to do so.

    Limited atonement: This is the belief that God sent Jesus Christ to die for the sins of his chosen saints only, and not for the sins of those who are unbelievers.

    Irresistible grace: This is the belief that God's chosen elect cannot resist God's grace in their lives.

    Perseverance of the saints: This is the belief that once an individual is saved, he or she can never lose his or her salvation because he or she is eternally bound to Christ.
     
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    TULIP。。。。讓新教的兩位祖師爺馬丁路德和卡爾文復活, 互相辯過明白後,
    才跟天主教論哩
     
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    TULIP
    實在是不需要談甚麼神學來扮高深的, 用點常理便知TULIP是不靠譜哩。
    由一世紀十六世紀初, 1517年之前, 都是只得一個教會,
    前期的神師神長, 没有一個來教過 TULIP 這東西,
    這是教會分裂後才跑出來的教理。


    若 TULIP 才是正道,
    那為何聖靈會讓教會行錯了路一千五百年, 才來更正?
    莫非是聖靈失職了? 1年-1517年聖靈往渡假去了,
    1517年後才回來復職?

    說真了, TULIP 正是人離開了教會, 離開了聖靈, 
    缺乏帶領下才弄出來的山寨教條。
     
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    TULIP, 是 Tell Us Lies In Protestantism
     
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    按你这个逻辑,三位一体怎么解释?
     
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    相信你不難找出經卷中說明三位一體的地方。
    那, 請你又說說經卷中那裡有說明TULIP?
     
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    二, 三世紀時, 的確有為三位一體引起不少爭辯,
    所以, 很快, 才是公元 325年, 尼西亞大公會議便定案了, 
    不用等到1517年, 還要等一千年。

    比耶穌再來都是管治一千年國度還要久?
     
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    TULIP的圣经根据正是本帖的重点。我们一起慢慢来查。
     
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    “主看千年如一日,一日如千年。”
     
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    躲个懒,这里是网上找到的现成的经文:

    https://www.fivesolas.com/tulipscriptures.htm#unconditional

    I. TOTAL DEPRAVITY

    A. Arminian Position: Man is spiritually sick. Fallen man was seriously affected by the fall but he still has the ability to choose spiritual good. He determines his eternal destiny by either accepting or rejecting God's mercies.

    B. Reformed Position: Man is spiritually dead. Because of the fall, man has become spiritually dead, blind and deaf to the things of God and is therefore unable of himself to choose spiritual good and determine his own destiny.

    C. Scriptural Support for the Reformed Position

    1. The fall has resulted in spiritual death to all men.

    Gen.2:16 - Gen.2:17 (NKJ)

    16 And the Lord God commanded the man, saying, "Of every tree of the garden you may freely eat;17 "but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die."

    Romans.5:12 - Romans.5:12 (NKJ)

    12 Therefore, just as through one man sin entered the world, and death through sin, and thus death spread to all men, because all sinned

    Eph.2:1 - Eph.2:3 (NKJ)

    1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience,3 among whom also we all once conducted ourselves in the lusts of our flesh, fulfilling the desires of the flesh and of the mind, and were by nature children of wrath, just as the others.

    Col.2:13 - Col.2:13 (NKJ)

    13 And you, being dead in your trespasses and the uncircumcision of your flesh, He has made alive together with Him, having forgiven you all trespasses,

    2. Fallen man is now blind and deaf to spiritual truth.

    Gen.6:5 - Gen.6:5 (NKJ)

    5 Then the Lord saw that the wickedness of man was great in the earth, and that every intent of the thoughts of his heart was only evil continually.

    Gen.8:21 - Gen.8:21 (NKJ)

    21 And the Lord smelled a soothing aroma. Then the Lord said in His heart, "I will never again curse the ground for man's sake, although the imagination of man's heart is evil from his youth; nor will I again destroy every living thing as I have done.

    Ecc.9:3 - Ecc.9:3 (NKJ)

    3 This is an evil in all that is done under the sun: that one thing happens to all. Truly the hearts of the sons of men are full of evil; madness is in their hearts while they live, and after that they go to the dead.

    Jer.17:9 - Jer.17:9 (NKJ)

    9 "The heart is deceitful above all things, And desperately wicked; Who can know it?

    Mark.7:21 - Mark.7:23 (NKJ)

    21 "For from within, out of the heart of men, proceed evil thoughts, adulteries, fornications, murders,22 "thefts, covetousness, wickedness, deceit, lewdness, an evil eye, blasphemy, pride, foolishness.23 "All these evil things come from within and defile a man."

    3.�Fallen man is now under the control of Satan and in bondage to sin

    John.8:44 - John.8:44 (NKJ)

    44 "You are of your father the devil, and the desires of your father you want to do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and does not stand in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaks a lie, he speaks from his own resources, for he is a liar and the father of it.

    Eph.2:1 - Eph.2:2 (NKJ)

    1 And you He made alive, who were dead in trespasses and sins,2 in which you once walked according to the course of this world, according to the prince of the power of the air, the spirit who now works in the sons of disobedience

    2Tim.2:25 - 2Tim.2:26 (NKJ)

    25 in humility correcting those who are in opposition, if God perhaps will grant them repentance, so that they may know the truth,26 and that they may come to their senses and escape the snare of the devil, having been taken captive by him to do his will.

    1John.3:10 - 1John.3:10 (NKJ)

    10 In this the children of God and the children of the devil are manifest: Whoever does not practice righteousness is not of God, nor is he who does not love his brother.

    1John.5:19 - 1John.5:19 (NKJ)

    19 We know that we are of God, and the whole world lies under the sway of the wicked one.

    Rom.6:20 - Rom.6:20 (NKJ)

    20 For when you were slaves of sin, you were free in regard to righteousness.

    Titus.3:3 - Titus.3:3 (NKJ)

    3 For we ourselves were also once foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving various lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful and hating one another.

    4. Fallen man, left in his dead state, is totally unable to repent, to believe the gospel, or to come to Christ.

    John.6:44 - John.6:44 (NKJ)

    44 "No one can come to Me unless the Father who sent Me draws him; and I will raise him up at the last day. [Note: The word here translated draws is translated as drags in other passages, such as John 21:11, Acts 21:30, and Acts 16:19.]

    John.6:65 - John.6:65 (NKJ)

    65 And He said, "Therefore I have said to you that no one can come to Me unless it has been granted to him by My Father."

    Rom.3:9 - Rom.3:12 (NKJ)

    9 What then? Are we better than they? Not at all. For we have previously charged both Jews and Greeks that they are all under sin.10 As it is written: "There is none righteous, no, not one;11 There is none who understands; There is none who seeks after God.12 They have all turned aside; They have together become unprofitable; There is none who does good, no, not one."

    Rom.8:7 - Rom.8:8 (NKJ)

    7 Because the carnal mind is enmity against God; for it is not subject to the law of God, nor indeed can be.8 So then, those who are in the flesh cannot please God.

    1Cor.2:14 - 1Cor.2:14 (NKJ)

    14 But the natural man does not receive the things of the Spirit of God, for they are foolishness to him; nor can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.

    D. Key Quotations

    1.�Westminster Confession of Faith� IX,3

    Man by his fall into a state of sin, hath wholly lost all ability of will to any spiritual good accompanying salvation; so as a natural man, being altogether averse from good, and dead in sin, is not able, by his own strength, to convert himself, or to prepare himself thereunto.

     
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    trust me, 明的凡 never heard about TULIP until I introduced to him a few days ago. and now 明的凡 is scratching head and citing everything from wikipedia~~~ typical protestant syndrome...
    why r u wasting time to argue with a demonic Calvinist? the only thing that a Catholic or Orthodox Christian should do is to continue praying an Exorcism Prayer.
    Protestant does not even believe and cite the Creed!
    明的凡 does not have any solid theology study or knowledge... except quoting a twisted and demonic version of their bibles...

    Calvinism is a demonic evil cult, period! why? here are some of the answers:
    1. their gospel is not the Salvation from Jesus Christ, instead, their gospel is "election/elected" by a false god and also it happened prior to the "creation of the world". if u ever been to one of those Calvinist churches, u will hear they pray: 感谢神在创世之前就预定拣选我们~~~ they really twisted the word "elected" from scripture; and they really love “预定拣选” and make themselves feel really "special"...
    2. their limited atonement - double pre-destination is indicating that their false god has pre- determined who is going to heaven or hell, and once again, prior to the "creation of the world". in other word, their false god created fall of of humanity and also created the evil.

    i don't need to say that again, calvinist just like Mormon or Jehovah's witness, they are not Christian because Jesus Christ is not the centre of salvation and eternal life!
    And I bet u that 明的凡 was not aware nor understood any of above false theologies of demonic teachings!

    And I can continue writing and exposing the demonic teaching of John Calvin and John Knox but this individual - 明的凡 won't understand and is not willing to learn ~~~~

    So, save ur time.

    P.S: Tell 明的凡 not to argue with u, because everything is pre-destined to occur like this by their false god 耶火花。
     
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    的碓是很懶。
    說句真: 是無能!

    說話要人明白, 首要是自己先明白要說的話,
    左搬右搬的東西, 根本不用搬者明,
    豬一樣的腦也可以做到。
     
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    我比你更懶, 長篇大論的貼文,
    不想看。
    長話, 都要短說,
    100字完成最好
     

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