看了你们的帖子，心都凉了

guest · 2001-12-22

<HTML>各位都是过来人，难道加拿大的工作、生活如此艰难？你们实现了当初来加之前的梦想了吗？

我现在也在办移民，钱交了，IELTS也考了，就等着4至6个月后的面试通知。本来一心想着加拿大在差，也比国内强。如果能再读个书，找个薪水高的职位，这边环境又好，那可是天堂了。可是看了你们的帖子，心都凉了。根本不是那回事儿。可上了移民公司的当了！

如果半途而废，又不甘心。再说经济上也有损失呀。
要是坚持下去，不但要辞掉目前薪水不薄的工作，公司的原始股票也没了。一个人舍弃妻儿老小，来这儿却连个工作都不好找，多寒心哪。</HTML>

guest · 2001-12-22

<HTML>You should stop being cheated, if you are smart.
There is exception if you think landing fee is just for your canadian touring.

Take care</HTML>

guest · 2001-12-22

报忧不报喜

<HTML>我是过来人，理解你。
北美经济不景气，IT公司大裁员，再加911雪上加霜，找工作不易。侥幸有工作了，又要大把的交税，直到你死。
亚裔倍受歧视，尤其以大陆同胞首当其冲，多伦多才发生白人房东无理殴打大陆房客（照片上看脑袋缝了十几针）。
即使找脏累活，白人要求你加拿大经验和英语，实际变相歧视，要照顾白人，所以好些工厂里大把白人傻子老弱病残，你愿意和傻子疯子工作吗？福利好？才怪，眼看着乞丐越来越多，看牙，眼，买药自费，恰恰这些很贵，看头疼脑热免费，谁稀罕，急诊却要排队，要预约，听说就有因排队急诊死掉了。
多元文化，屁，周围大把的印度人，阿拉伯人，有脏又臭，对中国人排斥，绝非善类。
政策不明朗，911后政府收紧移民法，那是对付申请移民的人，很难讲下一矛头指向谁？
坐移民监单调枯燥，若今后政策有变，更前功尽弃。
不要指望这里到处都是“白求恩”，这是一个人吃人的社会。</HTML>

guest · 2001-12-24

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<HTML>That's right. Many engineers have come here waiting a
labour work.

Accoring to a report, most people do not have job here.
Why don't we go home? Because we cannot recover to original positions if we go back certainly except that you have
a father officer in government.

Once you come here, it is too late to be regret.</HTML>

guest · 2001-12-24

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<HTML>Again, I think the immigrants are lower than the refugees.
Here, the refugee can get the mony from government as the
immigrants cannot. The government and companies do not
supply you any chance to get work. So you stay here to
spend Canadian dollors for rent and living.

This is the experience of myself.</HTML>

guest · 2001-12-25

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<HTML>Well, last time I saw a guy's post about how he used up all money and didn't even have anything left for a ticket going back China.

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guest · 2001-12-25

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<HTML>On the bright side, there's one thing for sure: You won't die in Canada for poverty. If you are INDEED out of money, whine to the government for welfare. You will be able to survive. It just ruins your future.</HTML>

guest · 2001-12-25

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<HTML>看到这里的贴子，真是令人叹息。

美国和加拿大之所以能立国两百年就有今天的发展水平，很大程度是靠第一代移民的奋斗所推动。

到唐人街去看看，有多少铺子是越南难民(其实是越南华人)开的。他们在二十年前坐船来加拿大的时候，语言和技能都不如今天的大陆新移民。如果他们吃政府的welfare或等待有谁“supply”一份工，会有今天？

你既然可以歧视印度人和阿拉伯人，那么你就没有权利抱怨自己“倍受歧视”了。

To：普通人
北美经济处于衰退时期，我认识的一些Bilingual Canadian with strong technical background仍在找工作，新移民会更艰难。

但是万事无绝对，我认识的新登陆的朋友里有若干个3个月内找到C++ programmer的工作，而且就发生在最近一两个月。Nortel裁下来上千个programmer，居然让新移民把offer拿走了。Corel的若干department在大换血，资深的员工工资过高，大部份被轰走，新移民申请人反而受青睐。我们在中国都学过辩证法，应该能明白其中的奥秘。

如果你已经拿到Landing paper,稳妥起见，建议你尽量推迟landing时间，等待北美经济recover。

If you are good, and you are lucky，the limit is the sky.这句话是我刚来时LINC班的老师说的，转赠给你。Unfortunately，to some people, the limit is their mind.

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声明：每个人的生活经历，对于他自己是生活的全部，对于社会，仅仅是生活的一个侧面。本人无意对任何基于single case的反驳进行深入辩论。
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guest · 2001-12-25

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<HTML>The life is not easy in everywhere. I discussed the immigrant with my friends some time and get the result: the average about 5 years for every one to get to adopt their new life. That means sacrifice yourself. You should consider the couple of points below to make your decision:

1. You will take the Canada as your own country and never think you will go back. You and your future is here.

2. Your all past in China is pasted. Your starting point is zero.

3. Your are strangly challenged minded. In any working environment, You will always like to put more time on working and challenged everyone in your field. Your boss and manager will like you because you are the best.

4. To love life and open your mind. To do the labour and whatever at beginning is not bad, you get the new experience. My second job in here five years ago is woking 8 months in midnight shift in a factory. Actually after I landing in Canada two days from Germany, I found my first job in a restaurant.

Hope can help.</HTML>

guest · 2001-12-27

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<HTML>You don't want to get so much pessimistic about coming to Canada.

However, you really need to be prepared and realistic about establishing a new life in a foreign land. Just image what kind of hardships you may experience when you go to a new country especially if you don't speak fluent English/French here.

Depending on your working experience and expertise, it may be so difficult (almost impossible) for you to undertake your original career path such as lawyer/doctor. In this case, you face more challenges of taking alternate career options or re-start from zero. If you are lucky (and possible), you may be able to get a job offer after your establishement and normally may take up to a year (during which, you may take part time job and study at Univ. to update your skills/improve your communication skills).

There are so many things here in Canada you can never expect to get in China, but it is also true that there are so many things there in China you can never expect to get in Canada. For those of us who choose to stay here, we prefer to live a peaceful, quiet, and self-dependant life here. One thing for your reference is that you must be strong enough to tackle any challenges ahead of you yourself whether financial or family. Be prepared and not scared. Your future is in your own hands not others!</HTML>

guest · 2001-12-28

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<HTML>Agree. We must be positive.
Nothing is worse than you say no to your self.

I have been managed more than 500 in Beijing and when I got i Canada I was an assembler only with my BEng, MEng, MSc.

In 3 years I promted 4 times -- the pay is 3.5 times higher than the begining. And now I lost my job. And started my own business. Also my previous is going to call me back for another 6 to 12 months...

Do not give up. Keep positive. God helps those who help theriself.

Welcome new comers to contact me.</HTML>

guest · 2001-12-31

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<HTML>有的人在压力下，会怨天怨地，垂头丧气。然后一阙不振。天天想让时间倒流。
另有一种人在压力下，会放下自己，放下以前。决不等待，解决目前的，展望未来的。
几乎所有的新移民都有一段困难期。天无绝人之路，只有自绝己路。只要能对付了自己，转机就在眼前。在加拿大只要有钱赚的，都是好工作。只要不亏本的，就是好生意。，，，，，，有空再续</HTML>

guest · 2002-01-01

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<HTML>前几天有位朋友，他到加拿大已经半年了，出了个主意，说我拿到LP之后，先不要将国内的工作辞掉。而是到加拿大落个脚，呆上个把星期，等拿到SIN和医疗卡之后，再回国。什么时候加国经济景气了，再过来。各位以为如何？</HTML>

guest · 2002-01-02

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<HTML>有一条: 越晚登陆越好, 实在是拖不下去了, 登陆一下, 办好手续, 回国呆上半年一年的. 说起来也挺不是滋味的, 是不是听着也难受? 中国乌烟瘴气的, 中国人怪可怜的, 不说了, 祝你好运, '普通人'兄弟.</HTML>

guest · 2002-01-02

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<HTML>多谢各位帮忙！也祝你们好运。</HTML>

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