中产阶级?

[sren]

在CFC上看到不少人提到中产阶级. 在加拿大, 中产阶级的定义是什么?

 

[CanChn]

老婆孩子热炕头，两个孩子一条狗，家有一到两辆车，夏天砍瓶冬南飞，每次不过一两周。

 

[ccc]

我想，这里说的，就是中等收入了，就是那些收入在当地平均值上下的家庭。不是学术上的定义吧。

不过，加拿大有学者、专家说，加拿大的中产阶级在逐渐“消失”。换句话说，贫富差距愈来愈大（两头越来越大，中间越来越小）。

 

[mooncake]

Middle class - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

• Achievement of tertiary education.
• Holding professional qualifications, including academics, lawyers, engineers, doctors regardless of their leisure or wealth.
• Belief in bourgeois values, such as high rates of house or long-term lease ownership and jobs which are perceived to be "secure."
• Lifestyle. In the United Kingdom, social status has historically been linked less directly to wealth than in the United States[citation needed], and has also been judged by pointers such as accent, manners, place of education, occupation and the class of a person's family, circle of friends and acquaintances.[citation needed]
• Cultural identification. Often in the United States, the middle class are the most eager participants in pop culture whereas the reverse is true in Britain [2]. The second generation of new immigrants will often enthusiastically forsake their traditional folk culture as a sign of having arrived in the middle class.[citation needed]

In the United States by the end of the twentieth century, more people identified themselves as middle class than as lower or "working" class (with insignificant numbers identifying themselves as upper class). In contrast, in the United Kingdom, in recent surveys up to two-thirds of Britons identify themselves as working class, indicating that the term "middle class" may[who?]hold negative associations in Britain. Nonetheless the British Labour Party, which grew out of the organized labour movement and originally drew almost all of its support from the working class, reinvented itself under Tony Blair in the 1990s as "New Labour," a party competing with the Conservative Party for the votes of the middle class as well as the working class.

 

[oureal]

一座房子两台车，两个孩子一条狗。

 

[Country on wheel]

在加拿大常用“中等收入（家庭）”这种说法。就是指报税时，个人年收入在三万五千到七万五千刀这个税挡收入的人。这个等级收入在总就业人数中占６０%以上。故又称“中产阶级”。至于挣的钱如何花，是买房买车，还是养狗养花，则随个人爱好，没有硬性规定。

 

[xjl]

个人年收入在三万五千到七万五千刀这个税挡收入的人? Too lower. I guess from 35k to 300k.

在加拿大常用“中等收入（家庭）”这种说法。就是指报税时，个人年收入在三万五千到七万五千刀这个税挡收入的人。这个等级收入在总就业人数中占６０%以上。故又称“中产阶级”。至于挣的钱如何花，是买房买车，还是养狗养花，则随个人爱好，没有硬性规定。

 

[ccc]

个人年收入在三万五千到七万五千刀这个税挡收入的人? Too lower. I guess from 35k to 300k.

年收入在三万五千到七万五千刀这个税挡收入　sounds correct. from 35k to 300k is obviously too high.

Straight Goods - Canada's consumer & news watchdog

 

[ccc]

Agree with LS.

The definition of culture or nation is a similar story.

 

[ert0000]

我认为我们一般人说的中产阶级和统计局或社会研究的简单分类不同。我同意LS WIKI抄来的定义，我们移民菌落，收入值属于中产以上，生活，其实贫下中农。少数高雅之士咱们不提（免生争吵），绝大多数老移（我是老移），自称中产，就太搞笑了。

如果一个移民家庭收入在那个范围内,称中产有啥搞笑的呢?看你的标准,估计95%的移民都不达标.

35000-75000的收入确实在加拿大只在中游. 自我表现感觉是另一码事. 有些家庭双收入,却为自称"中产"而自嘲的话,只能说要求太高.

有房有车有心去度假的就是中产. 35000 或 75000 或 95000都不是最重要的,如果来了加拿大还按中国的标准去区分成功人士,就没必要了, 活着开心就是,别去比.

 

[Country on wheel]

其实说白了，中产阶级就是民主政治玩数学游戏的结果。你想得到足够多的选票当选成执政党，你的政策纲领就要得到占
５０％以上选民的买帐。选民年龄组和就业的年龄组又多有重合。你施善济贫也好，公共开支也好，必需被占收入群
５０－６０％的中等收入家庭所接受。所以说中产阶级是社会的中坚，主导着社会前进的方向。一心只为低收入，无收入家庭争福利的NDP得不到政权，也是因为丢失了中产阶级（中等收入家庭）的支持。华人移民也得养家糊口，挣钱吃饭，除了多点中国情节，与其他种族没什么两样。经济决定政治。

 

[ccc]

实际上是两个概念，一个是老百姓说的所谓“中产阶级”，即中等收入家庭；一个是学术上的概念，不仅仅以收入和资财衡量，还包括受教育程度、社会地位和生活方式等。

比如说，加拿大是否是个nation，culture是什么含意（不是我们说的是否“有文化”的那个文化）？