好笑的基督教

[uglyducking]

那人(Dr. H?) 的基本论调是，进化论，宇宙大爆炸论 etc. 都是 religion，不是科学，不应该花tax money在学校教授。

God creation 才是科学，基督教才是科学，应该用tax 刀乐在学校可劲儿地教。

 

[uglyducking]

good to read:

What Science is NOT

What Science is NOT

1. Science is not a process that can solve all kinds of problems and questions.
The realm of science is limited strictly to solving problems about the natural world. Science is not properly equipped to handle the supernatural realm (as such), nor the realm of values and ethics.

2. It's not a process that can ignore rules.
Science must follow certain rules; otherwise, it's not science (just as soccer is not soccer if its rules are not followed).

3. It's not a process that seeks the truth or facts.
The goal of science is to come as close as we can to understanding the cause-effect realities of the natural world. It's never "truth" or "facts". "Truth" and "facts" can mean different things to different people.

4. It's not a process that attempts to prove things.
The process of science, when properly applied, actually attempts to disprove ideas (tentative explanations)... a process called "testing", or "challenging". If the idea survives testing, then it is stronger, and more likely an accurate explanation.

5. It's not a process that can produce any kind of explanation.
Scientific explanations must be potentially disprovable. Therefore, supernatural explanations cannot be used, since they can never be disproved (supernatural forces, by definition, do not predictably follow the laws of nature). Whatever results occur in any test can be attributed to those nebulous forces, effectively ending any further efforts to explain.

6. It's not a process that produces certainties, or absolute facts.
Science is a process which can only produce "possible" to "highly probable" explanations for natural phenomena; these are never certainties. With new information, tools, or approaches, earlier findings (theories, or even facts) can be replaced by new findings.

7. It's not a process that can always be relied upon due to its total objectivity and internal self-correction.
Science can be done poorly, just like any other human endeavor. We are all fallible, some of us make fewer mistakes than others, some observe better than others, but we are still subjective in the end. Internal self-correction mechanisms in science merely increase the reliability of its product.

8. It's not a process that is always properly used.
Unfortunately, science is all too frequently misused. Because it works so well, there are those who apply the name of science to their efforts to "prove" their favorite cause, even if the rules of science were not followed. Such causes are properly labeled "pseudosciences". Also, some scientists have been known to do fraudulent work, in order to support their pet ideas. Such work is usually exposed sooner or later, due to the peer review system, and the work of other scientists.

9. It's not a process that is free from values, opinions or bias.
Scientists are people, and although they follow certain rules and try to be as objective as possible, both in their observations and their interpretations, their biases are still there. Unconscious racial bias, gender bias, social status, source of funding, or political leanings can and do influence one's perceptions and interpretations.

10. It's not a process in which the product (understanding) is based on faith or belief.
The product of science (probable explanations for natural phenomena) are always based on observations carefully analyzed and tested. The high confidence we have in science comes from the many successful applications to real-life problems (e.g. in medicine, space exploration, chemistry and technology).

11. It's not a process in which one solution is as good as another, or is simply a matter of opinion.
In science, there is a rigorous analysis and fair-test comparison of alternative explanations, using discriminate criteria, e.g., confirmation by multiple independent lines of evidence, leading to one "best" solution.

12. Scientific Theories are not "tentative ideas" or "hunches".
The word "theory" is often used this way in everyday conversation, but a theory in science refers to a highly probable, well-tested comprehensive explanation, usually for a large collection of observations.

 

[uglyducking]

what science is.

Science is most definitely not a list of facts. Science is a method of investigation, no more, no less. And that method has strict rules. A specific science, like biology or physics, has a structure of concepts based on the work of generations of scientists. To view concepts as "facts" is to miss the point completely. Meaningful research can only be undertaken after one has understood these basic concepts which so many before us struggled to formulate (ps--"understand" does not mean "accept!"). Trying to do meaningful research without understanding basic science concepts is like trying to write a novel before you know the alphabet or how to read.

Theory vs Hypothesis:
The method of science is to observe a series of events or phenomena and then, considering the concepts of that particular branch of science (and sometimes rejecting those concepts), to formulate an idea about the how and why. An idea like this is called a hypothesis--an educated guess. The word "theory," however, is used differently in science than it is in popular speech. In popular language, theory and hypothesis have the same meaning and are treated as synonyms. A "theory" in science, however, is the result of a hypothesis which has been tested by many other scientists from different perspectives and which holds up to experimental tests. A "theory" in science is a very elevated notion. A theory is an idea that has a large body of observational evidence to support it and that has come to be accepted by most scientists in the field of study. I'm sure you've all felt the consequences of the Theory of Gravity when you trip and fall. Yet we call Gravity a "theory" rather than a "fact" because there are no absolutes in scientific understanding. Although gravity is "only a theory," no one I know would doubt its validity enough to walk off a bridge to test it. Theories are always subject to the test of time, and most accepted theories prove in the long run to be correct but not complete, for example, Newton's Theory of Gravity and Einstein's. Newton's theory of gravity was not wrong, it was just incomplete. Einstein's theory of gravity is more general and incorporates Newton's. So the bottom line is that a "theory" in science is an idea that has so much experimental support that it is likely to be correct.

The Laws of Science:
Another word that is used differently in popular speech than it is in science is the word "law." In popular language, a "law" is a "must," no questions asked. Mostly, societal laws are a list of what you may not do. Rob a bank, go to jail. In science, a "law" doesn't mean anything so strict as that! A scientific law is a principle on which things *seem* to work. Maybe they're right and maybe they're just not complete, as with Newton's Laws of Motion. There are no absolutes in scientific thought. By "scientific law" we mean: a - pretty - good - idea - about - how - this - thing - works - but - gee - maybe - it's - more - complicated - than - we - think - we'll - have - to - wait - and - see law. Science is never absolutely sure about anything, so we continue to test theories and laws to see if we can poke holes and thereby learn something even more wonderful about Nature. That is what's so wonderful about science. There are always new adventures to take, new horizons to sail across in our never-ending journey to understand Nature.

 

[CHRIS88]

A good question for some of you to ponder:

请您思考一下，解释世界起源的方法“应该”是什么呢？

 

[CHRIS88]

这个谣造得很没有水平啊。

不过克8牧师水平比马修7要高深很多，虽然也认为佛教是邪教，佛是大骗子正在地狱永火中受煎熬，但没有马修那么咄咄逼人，也不会搞些自然灾害惨象来秀给大家“看看、信佛人的悲惨下场”

Tell me specifically which point in my original statement is untrue please. A friendly reminder, please ponder for one quick moment before jumping to your conclusions.

 

[uglyducking]

Tell me specifically which point is untrue please.

Tell me specifically which point is true please.

 

[uglyducking]

A good question for some of you to ponder:

a good and only correct answer that will prevent you from further thinking: god creates the world in 6 days literally. (I am still wondering, whether it was 6 earth days or some other planet's day that god spent to create the whole universe?).

 

[ccc]

yeah, yeah, the earth is 6,000 years old and god created the world in 7 days, jesus raised the dead and woman came from men's ribs. hehe

I liked the photo.

 

[CHRIS88]

Tell me specifically which point is true please.

I was doing you a BIG favor to demand only one single false point in my original statement. Everything said in my original statement was specific and true.

 

[iBose]

A good question for some of you to ponder:

why the world need a start point? when you say so, it means u believe there is such a point which means u believe in a creator. so this is not a question.

 

[uglyducking]

帮你传个福音。

I was doing you a BIG favor by demanding one single false point in my original statement before accusing you of being a busybody spreading baseless lies. Everything said in my original statement was specific and true.

[FONT=黑体]佛教的特质及陷阱[/FONT]




说到这个话题，我实在不知道该说什么，只不过按照自己知道的，信马由缰，按照自己想到的，谈一点自己的看法。

先说说佛教的特质吧，我这里所说的佛教特质，不是指泛泛的佛教徒，而是指认真读佛经，认真修行的佛教徒，那些只知道念佛拜偶像的泛泛的佛教徒，我觉没什么可说的。

佛教的特质，我觉得，应该就是所谓的禅那吧。

基督教不讲究禅，圣经里面也没有禅这个词汇。

禅那，本来的含义是 静静的思考 的意思。基督教里面也有 默想这个个词汇。看起来两者似乎是相通的。但是，在实际运作中，两者有很大的差别。

这个差别造成了，佛教徒很难接受基督的福音。

佛教的逻辑起点就是 空 ，也就是说一切都是空的。既然一切都是空的，也就无所谓真的和假的。也就是说佛教徒大多不在乎真假的界限。佛教徒只要求你所说的是否能言之成理，也就是说，不管你说的是真还是假，只有有道理，佛教徒可能就接受，这就是佛教徒强调的理性性。

而基督教正好相反，基督教首先强调的是真和假的问题，即使一个问题里面有许多矛盾，只要他是真的，不论从理性的角度看，多么荒谬，基督徒也愿意接受。

现在的问题是，佛教徒并不关心真假的问题，而基督教却非常关注真假的问题，这样佛教和基督教讨论起来，根本是鸡同鸭将。

佛教徒为什么竟然敢于无视真假的问题，我觉得这就和禅的方法密切相关。

禅那的一个重要方面是 静 ，是入静。这个入静其实是气功的通用方法。

问题就处在这个入静上面。

人在入静的时候，尤其是在身体和大脑入境的时候，人的思维其实是出于半休眠状态，整个人处在半睡半醒之间。

人处在半睡半醒之间的时候，大脑里面呈现的信息往往是残缺的和不完整的，是模模糊糊朦朦胧胧的。因此，人在看问题的时候也是含糊不清的，会产生很多奇怪的想法。

我记得小时候，早上起来，懒床，总是不想起来，趴在被窝里，看我家的门，门上贴了两幅年画，一幅画已经斑驳不清了，我看着那副年画，一会儿把年想象成一个老头，一会儿把年画想想成一只动物，有时候把年画想象成一个怪物。因为年画有许多斑驳的图案，所以可以为想想留下许多空间。

事实上，人在禅修时的状态和这差不多。人在禅修时，大脑其实出于半休息的状态，大脑呈现的信息是不完整的，就像那副斑驳的年画，可以根据我们心中的想法，幻化出许多图案。

佛教在禅修是就是这样，人在禅修的时候，大脑中信息不完整，这样就为人的想想预留了许多的空间，人可以将根据自己的心里所想，穿凿出许多想想的东西。

有了这些东西，有了禅修所给的经验，佛教徒就认为一切都是空的，一切都是我们心灵的幻化，一切都是心灵所造，三界唯空，一心所造。

其实这个禅修的思维是一种病态的思维状态，这就向一个软件，在系统不完整的状态下，会产生许多奇怪的东西，比如说产生一些乱码，叫人很惊奇，但是有些佛教徒认为自己进入到了另外一个高深的境界。

还有些佛教徒，如果整日读佛经的话，他会在禅修的时候，佛经中的一些景象就会显现出来。这其实就好像做梦，日有所思，夜有所梦。道理是一样的。禅修其实就相当于一种浅睡状态，人在浅睡的时候，就容易做梦。

其实，禅修更像是一种催眠状态，在催眠的状态下，一些留在记忆深处的东西，一些想想，一些欲望，会显现出来。

佛教的禅修，其初衷是为了 降伏自己的内心，是为了控制自己。但是，事实上，真在禅修状态，人的自控能力反而降低，许多人其实是迷恋于禅修时所产生的各种奇怪的形象和由此伴随的自信心。

这是很要命的，一个人如果迷恋于禅修时产生的幻觉，对他的思维会产生许多有害的影响，最常见的就是佛教所谓的 出偏 。最典型的例子就是 红楼梦里面 妙玉 的例子。妙玉正当年轻，血气和欲望其实是很强的，所以妙玉在出偏的时候，口中有许多yin词lang语。

这的确是很要命的，所以，佛教徒特别强调要有师傅的指引，师傅其实就是一个过来人，遇到的情况也多，经验也丰富，知道如何修正禅修种遇到的问题。

但是，我们反过来想一下，既然禅修会遇到那么多麻烦，虽然有师傅在旁边，要好一些，但是禅修到底能给佛教徒带来什么益处呢？佛教本来主张解脱，本来是想脱离烦恼，但是因为禅修，却带来了许多无端的烦恼，这又有什么益处呢？

其实，佛教在禅修的时候是极力要避免这些幻想的干扰的，但是，这些幻想有很大的吸引力，有些人很难控制自己被诱惑。尤其是某些身体特制的人，的确不适合禅修。

佛教徒在禅修的过程中，其实要不断的和这些幻想作斗争，这就造成佛教徒对福音也产生了很强的抵抗力。

其实佛教徒在读圣经的时候，或者在听福音的时候，也会产生许多美妙的和圣洁的宗教体验，但是，他们心里往往认为这些是幻想，从心里面产生许多抵触心态。因此，向佛教徒传福音是很难的一件事。

禅修并不能帮助佛教徒断除烦恼，尤其是不能帮助佛教徒断除yin念，这其实是佛教徒十分关心的，因为佛家一个根本是要断除欲望。但是禅修并不能帮助佛教徒断除欲望。

那么佛教徒为什么仍然要坚持禅修呢？神通，其实许多佛教徒心中一个目的是希望得到神通，而且在禅修的时候，他们通过各种幻想，自以为可以产生某些神通。其实这些神通完全是虚幻。不能得到任何有效的证实。

问题是，既然这些所谓的神通并不能在现实中得到正是，为什么佛教徒仍然坚持呢？其实，许多佛教徒，他们之所以仍然坚持，是因为他们认为，自己之所以没有有效地神通，是因为自己的修为不够，还需要继续努力。

尽管如此，佛教徒的信心并不是坚不可破的，许多人不能摆脱幻象的困扰，或者因为禅修而出现了一些不好的症状，这时候，会对佛教徒产生很大的打击，心情往往陷入极度的悲观中。

这是后，有些人可能会接受福音，其实福音就可以医治因禅修带来的病态症状。但是大多数人仍然不会选择福音。

佛教据说有8万4千法门，这个并不是确数，只是说佛教的法门有很多很多。佛教的法门很多很多，佛教的经典很多很多。佛教徒认为，如果自己这个法门没有出路，或许其他法门就有效了。所以，佛教徒就在不同法门之间不断试验，他们相信，总有适合自己的佛门，在不断探索中，一生就过去了。说真的，这让人很无奈。

但是，佛教徒中，有些比较有智慧的，其实是能发现这个问题，尤其是那些注重研究佛理的，更容易发现，佛教所谓8万4千法门，其实很可能各个都是死门，各个都走不通。

于是，有些在佛门中混迹多年的，不好听点说，就是一些老油条，其实转而向经营的角度转化。

其实现在的佛教，更像是一个公司，并不仅仅少林寺的ceo释永信是一个ceo，其实许多佛教徒都是类似于企业的ceo。

他们有丰富的经验，他们多佛教的各种法门有丰富的经验，然后吸引人来买他们的产品，然后他们进行指导。从中收取供养。这中间有丰厚的利润。

如果新进来的顾客对这种产品有些不满，用起来有些不适反应，他们就会推荐另外的一些其他法门，反正佛教的法门多得是。这就像有些推销增白化妆品的，如果这种产品无效，他们就推销另外的化妆品。

这样，顾客在不断试用化妆品的过程中，多少年就过去了，顾客也就成了资深顾客，也就成了资深佛教徒。

这些资深佛教徒，有了丰富的经验，于是他们又转化为新一批的ceo，继续经营佛教的产业.

http://blog.sina.com.cn/s/blog_685210990100o4vp.html

 

[CHRIS88]

why the world need a start point? when you say so, it means u believe there is such a point which means u believe in a creator. so this is not a question.

Why not?

 

[uglyducking]

帮你传个福音 again.

你们的菩萨是真实不虚的么？ 是能保守你们的么？ 请看一看你们的菩萨给你们应许的保守吧！

1） 请看你们菩萨给你们的保守， 视频：
http://www.gospelstation.net/BibleAndTools/catastrophe/5.12WenchuanBeiChuan.htm

人都被打成肉酱了，还保守什么？ 哪来的保守？ 保守都打成肉酱了，那不保守是什么样子？？？

2） 请再看耶和华上帝赐给人的保守， 视频：
http://www.gospelstation.net/BibleAndTools/hellandheaven/Danny3Days.htm

耶和华上帝赐给人的，这才叫保守， 而魔鬼应许给你们的是死亡的骗局。





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这说明你还有智慧， 你要是不怀疑魔鬼编出来的鬼话的话，那你就是傻子。

下面这视频里的人都是信佛的，你说你信了半天，你将和他们一样的下场，你说你信的什么劲儿呢？ 那不是自找上帝的刑罚么？

http://gospelstation.net/BibleAndTools/catastrophe/5.12WenchuanBeiChuan.htm

 

[iBose]

Why not?

this is not a question.

 

[uglyducking]

Tell me specifically which point in my original statement is untrue please. A friendly reminder, please ponder for one quick moment before jumping to your conclusions.

我可以负责任地告诉你，和所谓基督徒争执的都不是佛教徒。在这里，我没有把基督教作为一种宗教来讨论，而是“科学”，Ok？

这什么算骂人？我这最多算骂佛吧?

其实我也没有真正骂佛。佛本来就是个骗子，说他是骗子不过是客观描述而已。如果您有意讨论“佛是骗子”这个论题的真伪，只要您愿认真诚实不逃避不推托地回答几个简单的问题，我证明给您看。如何？

或者，您认为我说UssU兄是个骄傲的人是在骂人？

这个我们可能先得厘清什么是骄傲了。真正的骄傲就是把自己当成神 - 这也是人类所有罪恶的源头。那么，当一个人对神品头论足的时候，就是把自己当成神了，甚至是把自己当成了比神还神的神。不知道您是否同意这个观点？

您的最后一句话，正说明在佛教虚谎教义的引诱之下，您已经骄傲到了什么地步！

朋友啊，你真的认为佛法是真实的么？
那么请您好好看一看下面视频中的这些人是多么地真实地得到了佛法。

佛法让他们变成了什么？ 佛法让他们变成了一堆一堆的尸体，这一堆一堆的尸体见证了他们所信的佛法对他们有益么？ 还是告诉他们：他们所信的佛法是骗他们的呢？　

这就是真实，这就是对你们的佛法的真实的见证：　这些尸体所信的佛根本帮不上他们，佛骗了他们。　不用别的东西做见证，他们自己的尸体就是他们自己所信的佛是骗子的一个最好的见证。

当你看到这些尸体的时候，你还不认为这见证是真实的么？

朋友，在上帝还赐你悔改的机会的时候，当赶紧在上帝面前悔改。 怎么做不到呢？ 好好信上帝，远离罪恶，在上帝面前过圣洁的生活，凡事遵行上帝的旨意。 只要你真心愿意，就是种地的老农都办得到。

主耶稣是上帝，祂就是创造天地的耶和华上帝。祂是永恒的上帝。2000年前，祂是离开天堂的至高的宝座来到人间救赎人而来。 祂是永恒存在的上帝。不是公元0年才存在的。 公元0年只是祂从天上来到人间的日子。 释迦摩尼只是一个被魔鬼骗了的人。

你好不会动脑际。 你想一下： 上帝是天地的主，祂会允许有什么东西不服从祂的权柄而另立一个王国么？？？ 那不是背叛上帝么？？？ 那样的东西就是魔鬼。 所以， 是魔鬼在骗你们。 它要骗你们不服从上帝而跟从它们，结果怎么样？ 你们要与魔鬼的下场一样！ 魔鬼是临死还想拉几个垫背的。 魔鬼就是那么坏！！！

你们真是傻，好傻地跟着魔鬼跑，下场呢？ 就是下面视频中的人的下场:

一。 视频一
瞬间回顾：大地震发生那一刻 - YouTube

二。视频二

请点击下面的链接(比上面的视频更可怕)

http://gospelstation.net/BibleAndTools/catastrophe/5.12WenchuanBeiChuan.htm






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