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下为美公开论坛上两位网民对中国主干网络节点被美国情报机构骇入的评论.
由评论可以看出, 虽然中国一定怀疑过美国对自己的情报监视, 但是在过去十几年内中国一直对美国侵入中国主干网络节点的具体渗透方法未有觉察. 更不知道被泄密监控的广泛性和深度.
网友 RellRoad:
I'm pretty sure China was already aware of this.
我肯定中国早就知道 (美国情报机关黑入中国网络主干路由器的事情)
网友 aycockonxion:
You absolutely have no idea.
别装了, 你根本什么都不知道.
网友 RellRoad:
Oh believe me I do, six years active duty army as military intel.
是吗? 你最好相信我, 我已经现服役6年在美军情报机构工作.
网友 aycockonxion:
8 years as a Battalion S2, 4 years as a Brigade S2 and 3 deployments to Afghanistan. China had no idea and if you were really MI you should be able to deduce this.
本人服役为营级情报官8年, 旅级情报官4年, 部署在阿富汗3年. 中国根本对我们做什么一无所知, 而且如果你真是军情局的, 你应该能推导出这个观点.
网友 RellRoad:
And what makes you think they didn't? Get real.
(就凭你资历)那又怎样 有什么证据让你认为他们(中国)不知道?
网友 aycockonxion:
Get real? Son there is more than meets the eye in this whole situation. If they knew about it they would have never let him into HK. He would have been on every Chinese watch list. Hacking into backbone routers, etc, any NSA or CIA operation like that the Chinese government would have never approved of or sanctioned because the possibility of leaking sensitive military or government information to the US is terribly high. There are dozens of more reasons I would be happy to cite but unfortunately we are not in a T-SCIF or using Secret or TS communications here.
又怎样? 家伙, 这里包含的可不是你仅仅眼前能看到. 如果他们(中国)真的了解(美国情报机构干的事情)那他们(中国)根本不会让他(Edward Snowden, 中情局揭秘者)进入香港. 他会在中国所有的监视名单上. 黑入中国网络的主干路由器,还有其它类似活动, 任何由NSA(美国家安全局)或 CIA(美中情局)作的事情都不会得到中国同意因为由此导致的中国秘密信息泄露给美国将是对中国灾难性的. 而且还有的是其它原因我可以高兴的告诉你但是非常不幸的是我们现在有保密协议, 因此我无法在这里
详说.
网友 RellRoad:
So you're saying the same government that hacks American computers on a daily basis wasn't aware their own computers were being hacked? Stop.
那么你是想说中国一直进攻美国电脑网络却根本不知道他们自己的电脑已经被黑了? 到此为止吧.
网友 aycockonxion:
They surely would have assumed somebody was hacking them (or at least trying to), but being "aware" is 100% different than suspecting, and given what we know and what I can analyze based on 16 years in the Army Intelligence Corps, it is clear that the Chinese never suspected CIA hacking. You are demonstrating complete ignorance of the US intelligence community as a whole. If you want to have any credibility left at all you should stop with the wild guesses.
他们肯定会假设有人在攻击(至少试图这样作), 但是, 能够"掌握"和仅仅有"怀疑"是完全不同的事情, 而且根据我们知道的情报和我过去16在军情局内分析的信息,可以说非常清楚的表明中国从来没有觉察到中情局对其系统的渗透. 你现在只是表明你对美国情报系统完全无知. 如果你还有什么可信度, 你就会现在停止胡乱猜测.
网友 RellRoad:
read the first half of your first sentence. Exactly what I was getting at guy. Maybe I should change my diction so you don't get your panties in such a bunch. China knows they're being spied on by America, maybe not the avenue, but they're no idiots. This "news" is no surprise to them, as it shouldn't be to anybody.
再去读读你那句子的前半段. 那正是我要说的. 也许我应该改换的角度这样你就不会这么张扬. 中国知道他们被美国监视, 但也许他们不知道美国是通国什么方法如何做的, 但是他们不是傻瓜. 至少这个"新闻"不应该让他们或任何人吃惊.
下为美公开论坛上两位网民对中国主干网络节点被美国情报机构骇入的评论.
由评论可以看出, 虽然中国一定怀疑过美国对自己的情报监视, 但是在过去十几年内中国一直对美国侵入中国主干网络节点的具体渗透方法未有觉察. 更不知道被泄密监控的广泛性和深度.
网友 RellRoad:
I'm pretty sure China was already aware of this.
我肯定中国早就知道 (美国情报机关黑入中国网络主干路由器的事情)
网友 aycockonxion:
You absolutely have no idea.
别装了, 你根本什么都不知道.
网友 RellRoad:
Oh believe me I do, six years active duty army as military intel.
是吗? 你最好相信我, 我已经现服役6年在美军情报机构工作.
网友 aycockonxion:
8 years as a Battalion S2, 4 years as a Brigade S2 and 3 deployments to Afghanistan. China had no idea and if you were really MI you should be able to deduce this.
本人服役为营级情报官8年, 旅级情报官4年, 部署在阿富汗3年. 中国根本对我们做什么一无所知, 而且如果你真是军情局的, 你应该能推导出这个观点.
网友 RellRoad:
And what makes you think they didn't? Get real.
(就凭你资历)那又怎样 有什么证据让你认为他们(中国)不知道?
网友 aycockonxion:
Get real? Son there is more than meets the eye in this whole situation. If they knew about it they would have never let him into HK. He would have been on every Chinese watch list. Hacking into backbone routers, etc, any NSA or CIA operation like that the Chinese government would have never approved of or sanctioned because the possibility of leaking sensitive military or government information to the US is terribly high. There are dozens of more reasons I would be happy to cite but unfortunately we are not in a T-SCIF or using Secret or TS communications here.
又怎样? 家伙, 这里包含的可不是你仅仅眼前能看到. 如果他们(中国)真的了解(美国情报机构干的事情)那他们(中国)根本不会让他(Edward Snowden, 中情局揭秘者)进入香港. 他会在中国所有的监视名单上. 黑入中国网络的主干路由器,还有其它类似活动, 任何由NSA(美国家安全局)或 CIA(美中情局)作的事情都不会得到中国同意因为由此导致的中国秘密信息泄露给美国将是对中国灾难性的. 而且还有的是其它原因我可以高兴的告诉你但是非常不幸的是我们现在有保密协议, 因此我无法在这里
详说.
网友 RellRoad:
So you're saying the same government that hacks American computers on a daily basis wasn't aware their own computers were being hacked? Stop.
那么你是想说中国一直进攻美国电脑网络却根本不知道他们自己的电脑已经被黑了? 到此为止吧.
网友 aycockonxion:
They surely would have assumed somebody was hacking them (or at least trying to), but being "aware" is 100% different than suspecting, and given what we know and what I can analyze based on 16 years in the Army Intelligence Corps, it is clear that the Chinese never suspected CIA hacking. You are demonstrating complete ignorance of the US intelligence community as a whole. If you want to have any credibility left at all you should stop with the wild guesses.
他们肯定会假设有人在攻击(至少试图这样作), 但是, 能够"掌握"和仅仅有"怀疑"是完全不同的事情, 而且根据我们知道的情报和我过去16在军情局内分析的信息,可以说非常清楚的表明中国从来没有觉察到中情局对其系统的渗透. 你现在只是表明你对美国情报系统完全无知. 如果你还有什么可信度, 你就会现在停止胡乱猜测.
网友 RellRoad:
read the first half of your first sentence. Exactly what I was getting at guy. Maybe I should change my diction so you don't get your panties in such a bunch. China knows they're being spied on by America, maybe not the avenue, but they're no idiots. This "news" is no surprise to them, as it shouldn't be to anybody.
再去读读你那句子的前半段. 那正是我要说的. 也许我应该改换的角度这样你就不会这么张扬. 中国知道他们被美国监视, 但也许他们不知道美国是通国什么方法如何做的, 但是他们不是傻瓜. 至少这个"新闻"不应该让他们或任何人吃惊.
