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现在不去纠缠伊朗的禁令问题,而是搞出个欺诈罪,就是为了两国同时存在的罪名才符合引渡程序。
是在香港犯罪加拿大法律不管
 

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只要用了美元,按美国法律就可以管,不知道如果是在月球是不是也一样
开眼界了,还有这样的规矩?中国和世界各国用美元与美国做交易,都受美国法律管辖?

难怪要和美元脱钩呢?
 
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开眼界了,还有这样的规矩?中国和世界各国用美元与美国做交易,都受美国法律管辖?
和美国沾了一点边就可能要受美国法律管辖

比如HSBC总部在英国,在香港有分行,在美国也有分行,香港分行被诈骗按美国法律就可以管
 

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太错了。没看老外新闻的缘故。老外很狡猾。They argued it was fraud, not sanction. Fraud is illegal in both country, while sanction is only legal in the USA..
华为为什么要“欺骗”汇丰?好好的正当渠道不走,为什么要“误导”汇丰?即使“误导”的事实存在,为什么需要这样作?
检方明确指出“误导”/“欺骗”的事实存在。辩方指出,即使存在,在加拿大不属于违法。
检方暗示法官考虑美国的检方证据和汇丰所受的后果,辩方指出加拿大法官不应该受外国司法的影响/干预。
非常明显了吧!
 

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和美国沾了一点边就可能要受美国法律管辖

比如HSBC总部在英国,在香港有分行,在美国也有分行,香港分行被诈骗按美国法律就可以管
你要说汇丰在美有分行,受美国法律管还好说,我正在琢磨是不是要去关了美元账户呢。

那按照你的说法,现在的问题孟还是还是和双重犯罪搭不上啊?不够汇丰在加拿大也有分行,是不是可以算上?
 

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你要说汇丰在美有分行,受美国法律管还好说,我正在琢磨是不是要去关了美元账户呢。

那按照你的说法,现在的问题孟还是还是和双重犯罪搭不上啊?不够汇丰在加拿大也有分行,是不是可以算上?
诈骗香港分行按加拿大法律不算犯罪,按美国法律算
 

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图个啥啊,还没吃够苦头?
 

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诈骗香港分行按加拿大法律不算犯罪,按美国法律算
辩方的用词是“犯罪的危险率低”,并没有完全否认一点儿危害没有。
实际上,华为的手段和大多数中国人/华人的小心计一样,在玩“走钢丝”。
 

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检方明确指出“误导”/“欺骗”的事实存在。辩方指出,即使存在,在加拿大不属于违法。
给个英文链接?
据说检方明确指出fraud is fraud,华为的lawyers哑巴了,只能告诉法官要想想
 

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给个英文链接?
据说检方明确指出fraud is fraud,华为的lawyers哑巴了,只能告诉法官要想想
答辩四天的报道,Canadian press和globe and mail报道的比较全,中性
检方说的,辩方没有正面否认,只是说,它带来的后果,尤其是给汇丰的破坏性,在加拿大的现行法律下是low risk
简单地说,我的说法,可以警告,罚款,不至于判刑。
我从心里希望孟女士带着家人现在赶紧回国吧。
 

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答辩四天的报道,Canadian press和globe and mail报道的比较全,中性
检方说的,辩方没有正面否认,只是说,它带来的后果,尤其是给汇丰的破坏性,在加拿大的现行法律下是low risk
简单地说,我的说法,可以警告,罚款,不至于判刑。
我从心里希望孟女士带着家人现在赶紧回国吧。
赶紧送走吧,在哪里对于双方都是大麻烦。即使送去美国判了刑也一定跟一般犯人待遇不一样,国人也照样会支持她,支持华为。而且无论如何也不可能关几十年。
就是麻烦多麻烦少麻烦在哪的问题。加拿大要想做人留一线就放回去,要想得罪人得罪到底就抓紧送美国。宝贝疙瘩捧自己手里早晚烫着
 

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B.C. judge considers how to deliver Meng Wanzhou decision in a physically distant way
Huawei executive has argued that case against her doesn't meet 'double criminality' test
Amy Smart · The Canadian Press · Posted: Mar 30, 2020 8:04 PM PT | Last Updated: 2 hours ago

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Meng Wanzhou is accused of lying to HSBC about Huawei's relationship with an Iran-based subsidiary, putting the bank at risk of violating American sanctions against Iran. (Ben Nelms/CBC)

The B.C. Supreme Court is considering creative ways to deliver a decision in an extradition hearing for Huawei executive Meng Wanzhou as a global pandemic restricts travel and gatherings.

Associate Chief Justice Heather Holmes convened a meeting Monday between Crown prosecutors, defence lawyers, Meng and her interpreter via teleconference.

The United States is seeking Meng's extradition on fraud charges and the court heard arguments in January about whether her alleged conduct would constitute a crime in Canada. Her defence has made an application to the court contending that the case against her does not pass the so-called "double criminality" test.

A court transcript shows Holmes told those who dialled in that she does not plan to release her decision on that application "in the near future."

But when the decision is released and if the COVID-19 crisis is still ongoing, one of Meng's lawyers outlined a proposal that would require Meng's physical presence in court only if Holmes rules in her favour.

According to the transcript, defence lawyer David Martin says there is a need for an in-person appearance only if the judgment falls in her favour.
"Ms. Meng would only appear if the circumstances were appropriate, but the suggestion that she not appear if the application was dismissed is motivated by a concern for the court's and its staff's health and safety,'' Martin said during the conference.

Holmes said she would take the proposal into account and the interests of the public, media and whatever safety restrictions are in place at the time.
The case is adjourned until April 27, when another case management meeting is scheduled. Holmes warned Meng that the next meeting would also likely be conducted via teleconference.

Ruling will determine if Meng is set free
Meng is accused of lying to HSBC about Huawei's relationship with an Iran-based subsidiary, putting the bank at risk of violating American sanctions against Iran.

Her defence has argued that the court must dismiss the case because Canada has rejected similar sanctions, while the Crown said the judge's job is to determine if there's evidence of fraud, not to uphold Canadian sovereignty.

Holmes' ruling on the test of "double criminality'' will determine if Meng is set free or if the court will hear further arguments, including whether her arrest at Vancouver's airport in December 2018 was unlawful.

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The United States is seeking Meng Wanzhou's extradition on fraud charges. (Jonathan Hayward/The Canadian Press)

Court hearings have been cancelled across Canada due to COVID-19 and directions from public health officials prohibiting large gatherings. But those on the conference call said they wanted to keep pushing Meng's case forward.

"This is a unique case occurring in unique times, but it's important, and this has been communicated with my learned friends, to keep this litigation moving forward as best as possible despite the difficult circumstances,'' prosecutor John Gibb-Carsley said.

While counsel participated by phone, Holmes was in court and counted eight other people in the room, saying she directed the sheriffs to ensure everyone obeyed social distancing regulations.

Given widespread public interest in the case, Holmes suggested teleconferencing is not a long-term solution. Meng's arrest in December 2018 at Vancouver's airport ignited diplomatic tensions between Canada and China.
The detention of Canadians Michael Kovrig and Michael Spavor in China the same month is widely viewed as retaliation for her arrest.

Amid the COVID-19 pandemic, the Chinese embassy in Canada said earlier this month said that Kovrig was allowed to have a telephone conversation with his father, who is very ill.

The embassy said in a statement that they allowed this for humanitarian reasons, and it also says Kovrig and Spavor were being given better food to strengthen their immunity against the novel coronavirus, which originated in China.

 
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