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美国国会暴乱:特朗普总统是否可能提前下台​

2021年1月8日
美国参议员乔什·霍利手持一本美国宪法读本

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在距离特朗普(Donald Trump)卸任美国总统还有两周的时候,其支持者冲击国会的事件使得一些敦促特朗普提前下台的声音开始在首都华盛顿出现。

美国民主党参议员查克·舒默(Chuck Schumer)表示,应立即罢免特朗普。众议院议长南希·佩洛西(Nancy Pelosi)也呼吁立即将特朗普免职,否则特朗普可能会遭到弹劾。
舒默在一份声明中说:“昨天在美国国会大楼发生的是针对美国的暴动,是由总统煽动的。这位总统不应再任职一天。”

他补充说,副总统迈克·彭斯(Mike Pence)应该援引美国宪法第二十五条修正案,该修正案允许总统暂时或永久地将权力从总统移交给副总统。他表示,如果副总统和内阁拒绝这样做,“应该再次在国会弹劾总统”。

美国众议院司法委员会的民主党人已致函副总统彭斯,敦促他采取行动将特朗普免职,称他煽动了暴动行为,并“试图破坏我们的民主”。


美国国会暴乱:共和党人批评暴力 讉责特朗普

唐纳德·特朗普在白宫前的集会上

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在周三(1月6日)举行的一场集会中,共和党人特朗普曾鼓励他的支持者游行到国会大楼进行抗议。

数千名特朗普支持者当日在华盛顿参加“拯救美国”游行,抗议2020年总统大选中的“舞弊”现象。他们在下午持械闯入国会大厦,试图阻止国会议员认证民主党人乔·拜登(Joe Biden)在美国大选中胜出的结果。

发生骚乱事件后有五人死亡,其中包括一名警察,目前已有68人被捕。美国国会警察局周四晚间表示,一位名叫布赖恩·西尼克(Brian Sicknick)的警察因在周三美国总统特朗普支持者引起的骚乱中受伤而死亡。

当地时间周四(1月7日)凌晨,身兼美国参议院议长的副总统彭斯与众议院议长佩洛西在国会联席会议上确认了选举人团在12月的投票结果。美国国会确认,民主党候选人拜登和卡玛拉·哈里斯(Kamala Harris;中文名贺锦丽)在去年举行的总统选举获胜,将会在1月20日宣誓就任。

在周三发生国会骚乱事件后,美国众议院将近60名民主党议员支持对共和党总统的弹劾新条款。

据多家媒体报道,目前共和党与民主党内均有声音认为特朗普应该在1月20日拜登就职前下台。

路透社报道称,如果想要特朗普下台有两种方法:一种是启动美国宪法第二十五条修正案,另一种是参议院对其定罪后对其进行弹劾。无论哪种情形出现,都将由副总统彭斯(Mike Pence)接任总统,直到拜登就职。

众议院议长佩洛西去年建议立法允许国会根据宪法第25修正案进行干预,以罢免总统的资料照片。

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众议院议长佩洛西去年建议立法允许国会根据宪法第25修正案进行干预,以罢免总统的资料照片。

第二十五条修正案​

在前总统肯尼迪(John F. Kennedy)于1963年遇刺身亡后,美国宪法第二十五条修正案在1967年正式生效。

这条法律针对的是总统继任程序及失能情况。其中指出,如果在职总统无法履行总统职务的权力和责任时,可以由副总统作为代理总统承担总统职务的权力和责任。

路透社称,有专家指出第二十五条修正案起草时的意图明确是为应对总统因生理或心理疾病无法履职的情况,而一些学者认为,这项修正案同样可以应用在更加广泛的情形下,例如当一名总统“危险地不适合任职”的情况。

在这次事件中,要想启动这项修正案,需要内阁15名核心部长中的过半数及副总统彭斯致信国会领袖,称由于特朗普不适合(unfit)担任总统,将由彭斯代职。

在这种情况下,特朗普仍可以宣称他自己可以胜任总统职务。如果彭斯与过半数内阁部长对此不再提出异议,则特朗普可以继续掌权。如果他们提出异议,这一问题将由国会进行表决,在此期间彭斯仍继续代职总统。

当地时间周四(1月7日)凌晨,身兼参议院议长的副总统彭斯与众议院议长佩洛西在国会联席会议上确认了选举人团在12月的投票结果。

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当地时间周四(1月7日)凌晨,身兼美国参议院议长的副总统彭斯与众议院议长佩洛西在国会联席会议上确认了选举人团在12月的投票结果。

要想启用这项法律需要在参众两院内均得到超过三分之二的赞同票。美国科罗拉多大学(University of Colorado)宪法学教授保罗·坎伯士(Paul Campos)告诉路透社,由民主党控制的众议院可以拖延投票至特朗普任期到期。

他表示,第二十五条修正案可以是让特朗普下台的“一种合适的方式”,其优点在于比弹劾更快。

“彭斯可以立即成为总统,而弹劾和定罪可能至少需要几天时间,”他表示。

自1967年生效以来,第二十五条修正案从未被启用过。

CNN援引共和党信源报道称,一些特朗普内阁成员正就触发第二十五条修正案进行初步讨论。

特朗普和彭斯

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如果特朗普的总统权力被撤销,副总统彭斯(左)将接任代理总统。

弹劾选项​

如果要想弹劾特朗普,需要众议院就特朗普进行“严重犯罪或轻罪”提起控告,如果得到众议院过半数议员通过,之后将由参议院进行审议,决定其是否有罪。

美国宪法规定,如果要让总统免职,需要参议院三分之二以上的议员同意其有罪。

针对特朗普可能触犯的罪名,美国密苏里大学(University of Missouri)宪法学教授弗兰克·保曼(Frank Bowman)向路透社表示,特朗普的行为“可以被视作发表了煽动叛乱的言论”,或是企图推翻美国政府。

但他同时指出,特朗普也可以因更为普通的罪名被弹劾——对美国宪法不忠和未能履行其就职誓词。国会对严重犯罪和轻罪的定义有决定权,其范围不仅限于实际的刑事犯罪罪行。

“最关键的罪行将会是违反宪法,在实质上试图推翻合法进行的选举产生的合法结果,”他表示。

民主党众议员伊尔汗·奥马尔(Ilhan Omar)与阿亚娜·普雷斯利(Ayanna Pressley)已经明确表示支持弹劾特朗普。奥马尔称,她已经在起早针对特朗普的弹劾条款。

美国全国广播公司商业频道(CNBC)报道称,目前尚不清楚民主党内大多数人是否同意弹劾特朗普,而且几乎可以确定的是,现在已经没有足够时间使用弹劾的方式让特朗普下台。

CNBC早些时候还称,无论是用哪种方式,国会都“极不可能”得到足够的支持将特朗普免职。

支持特朗普的抗议者试图冲击美国国会大楼

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特朗普的支持者周三(1月6日)在首都华盛顿与警察发生冲突,更一度闯进国会大楼。

要求特朗普下台的声音​

美国全国广播公司(NBC)报道称,民主党众议员刘云平(Ted Lieu)及大卫·西西林(David Cicilline)于1月6日向彭斯起草信件,要求他动用第二十五条修正案让特朗普下台。

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一些共和党当选官员也发声要求特朗普下台。佛蒙特州(Vermont)州长、共和党人菲尔·斯科特(Phil Scott )在推特上表示,美国的民主与共和国的原则“正受到总统的攻击”。
“特朗普总统应该辞职或被他的内阁或国会免职,”他写道。

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CNBC同时指出,目前没有共和党国会议员提出特朗普应该下台。

特朗普的前白宫通讯联络主任安东尼·斯卡拉姆齐(Anthony Scaramucci)向路透社表示,特朗普与当选官员们需要被弹劾并免职。“他们已经破坏了我们在国际社会中的声誉,现在正在威胁我们生活的方式。”

还有两名不具名的长期共和党活动人士及白宫盟友向CNN表示,他们认为应该动用第二十五条修正案。

美国全国有色人种协会(NAACP)主席利昂·拉塞尔(Leon Russell)在推特上表示,“煽动政变必须遭到弹劾”。

《纽约时报》(New York Times)专栏作家托马斯·弗里德曼(Thomas Friedman)表示,参议院多数党领袖麦康奈尔(Mitch McConnell)应该带领一支共和党领袖代表团前往白宫,“告诉特朗普他必须立刻辞职,否则他们将会与民主党人一起弹劾他。”

 

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川普的小命现在捏在麦康奈尔手里。众议院肯定弹劾,参院如果麦康奈尔点头,拉出 16 个共和党支持弹劾完全是小菜一碟

前几天还批麦康奈尔,故意难为这老头。川普现在小腿肚子一定在抽筋吧!

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Fact check: Men who stormed Capitol identified by Reuters are not undercover Antifa as posts claim​

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Social media users have been sharing content online that suggests those who stormed the U.S. Capitol on Jan. 6 were Antifa, not Trump supporters. Many have been using compilations of pictures as purported evidence, but examination of these images shows they do not support this claim. Meanwhile, the FBI has said there is “no indication at this time” that Antifa had played a role in the mob that stormed the Capitol.

An explosion caused by a police munition is seen while supporters of President Trump gather at the U.S. Capitol Building in Washington, January 6. REUTERS/Leah Millis

While it is impossible for Reuters to verify the identity of each person who took part in Wednesday’s siege, this article covers some of the key images presented in social media posts as false evidence of the rioters being “Antifa undercover”.

Examples of posts presenting various different men as evidence can be seen here , here , here , here , here , here and here .
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Hundreds of President Donald Trump’s supporters stormed the U.S. Capitol on Wednesday in a stunning bid to overturn his election defeat, battling police in the hallways and delaying the certification of Democratic President-elect Joe Biden’s victory for hours (here).

The chaos unfolded after Trump - who before the election refused to commit to a peaceful transfer of power if he lost - addressed thousands of supporters near the White House and told them to march on the Capitol to express their anger at the voting process. He told his supporters to pressure their elected officials to reject the results, urging them “to fight.” (here)

MAN WITH FUR, HORNS AND PAINTED FACE​

Reuters Fact Check previously debunked the claims that a man wearing fur and a hat with horns was a Black Lives Matter or ANTIFA supporter here .

Media outlets including AZ Central and Mashable quickly identified the man as Jake Angeli ( here , here ). According to AZ Central, he has been a “fixture at Arizona right-wing political rallies over the past year." In an interview with the news outlet in May 2020 visible here , Angeli spoke in favor of President Donald Trump and his policies.

In another video visible here , Angeli can be seen praising Trump and “Q,” a reference to the anonymous leader of QAnon, an intertwined series of conspiracy theories whose followers believe that President Trump is secretly fighting a cabal of child-sex predators that includes prominent Democrats, Hollywood elites and “deep state” allies.

Angeli’s own Facebook page examined by Reuters included posts and photographs indicating his support for QAnon and Donald Trump.
He has since been charged with knowingly entering or remaining in any restricted building or grounds without lawful authority, and with violent entry and disorderly conduct on Capitol grounds (here). The Justice Department identified him as Jacob Anthony Chansley (also known as Jake Angeli).

MAN WITH HAND TATTOO​

Reuters Fact Check has previously debunked the claim of a man’s tattoo being proof that he is a part of ANTIFA here .

Posts place an image of protesters inside the Capitol building alongside another image sourced to “phillyantifa.org”.

The Philly Antifa website (phillyantifa.org) does have a page featuring an image of a bearded man who shares certain characteristics with the person seen in the Capitol building. However, this page does not describe the man as an Antifa supporter. Instead, it says the image shows an individual belonging to an entirely different group that Philly Antifa opposes.

Reuters has not identified the person pictured in the Capitol Building. However, a comparison of tattoos on the right hands of both people would indicate that they are not the same person (compare this image from the Antifa site here with this AFP image here ).

The tattoo seen on the other hand of the man in the Capitol appears to be a symbol from a computer game (here) and not a hammer and sickle symbol as some posts have suggested (here).

MAN IN PELOSI’S OFFICE​

Another photo used in social media posts shows a man with his feet on a desk in Nancy Pelosi’s office. As the image from Getty began circulating widely on January 6 ( here , here , here ), New York Times reporter Matthew Rosenberg identified him in a tweet as 60-year-old Richard “Bigo” Barnett of Gravette, Arkansas (here). He also included a video of Barnett (here).

Less than half an hour later, Northwest Arkansas NBC affiliate KNWA-TV reported (here) that its team “immediately recognized the man” from an interview they conducted with Barnett at a “Stop the Steal” rally hosted by the Benton County Republicans in November.

NBC News reported that Barnett was arrested on Friday, January 8 (here). There is no evidence that he has any connection with Antifa.

FUR PELTS AND POLICE SHIELD​

Another man shared in Facebook posts is wearing fur pelts and carrying a police shield, identifies himself as Aaron, a resident of Brooklyn, New York. In a YouTube video filmed inside the Capitol, ( here ) the man says he came to “express (his) belief that the election was stolen.”

Some outlets have identified him as Aaron Mostofsky, son of a Brooklyn Supreme Court judge ( here , here , here ).

There is no evidence linking this man to Antifa, and his personal Facebook page, which now appears to have been removed, showed he had reposted content from Donald Trump, Jr. and Senator Ted Cruz, as well as conservative commentators Laura Ingraham and Ben Shapiro.

When asked whether Aaron could be part of Antifa undercover, a source close to the Mostofsky family told Reuters via email: “It’s not true. What he was recorded saying reflects his politics.”

‘NO INDICATION’ OF ANTIFA INVOLVEMENT

There is no credible evidence to support the notion that Antifa backers dressed up as Trump supporters or that they led or spear-headed the rioting.
“We have no indication of that at this time,” said Steven D’Antuono, the FBI Washington Field Office’s assistant director in charge, in response to a question over whether there was any evidence to support allegations that perpetrators of the violence at the U.S. Capitol were “antifa infiltrators” who had disguised themselves as Trump supporters.

Examining the most upvoted chat rooms in an online blog forum popular among Trump supporters on the afternoon of January 8, Reuters found a mixture of narratives being presented among this community. Some said “Patriots”, not Antifa, stormed the buildings while others blamed alleged Antifa infiltrators.
Reuters has debunked other Antifa-related misinformation since Wednesday, including that Antifa did not receive police escort from D.C. Police to the demonstrations (here), an Antifa confession prank (here) and digitally altered news reports (here).

Correction Jan 10. 2020: an earlier version of this article referred to “Nancy Pelosi’s desk”. This phrase has been changed to “a desk in Nancy Pelosi’s office”.

VERDICT​

False. The images examined in this check purport to show Antifa supporters present at the Jan. 6 storming of the U.S Capitol. However, there is no evidence the individuals in the pictures are linked to the Antifa movement. The FBI has said there is no indication Antifa had played a role in the mob that stormed the Capitol.

This article was produced by the Reuters Fact Check team. Read more about our fact-checking work  here  .

 

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几乎不可能由 Pence 来动用宪法第二十五条修正案。

弹劾的目的本来就没指望让串普提前下台,而是逼共和党的参议员一个个都表态。

在参议院通过的话,可触发一个附加的议程:禁止串普再任公职。在参议院通不过也没有关系。
 
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关键人是彭斯。彭斯不会被利用也不会落井下石。拖拖两周就过了。床铺到期退任以后不会有事但周围的人难说。一定从周围开始收拾确保四年后安全。这个时候要是谁还喊要四年后怎么样那就谁也帮不了了。
 

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特朗普辞职,彭斯赦免特朗普,是上上策。
 

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