还有人认为俄乌战争可以快速出现胜利者吗？

[贵圈]

就是问问，今年年内，在不和谈的前提下，以一方投降结束？

 

[New Person]

代理人战争，哪有那么容易出胜利者。只有伊拉克那样的非代理人战争，才有胜利者。但阿富汗那样的非代理人战争，都没有明显的胜利者。

 

[billwanhua]

就是问问，今年年内，在不和谈的前提下，以一方投降结束？

Kyiv could force Russia’s President Vladimir Putin to negotiate an end to the war in Ukraine if its counteroffensive against Russian forces is successful, US Secretary of State Antony Blinken said.

Speaking at a Washington news conference Monday alongside the Italian Foreign Minister Antonio Tajani, Blinken told reporters that “Ukraine’s success in the counteroffensive would do two things.”

“It would strengthen its position at any negotiating table that emerges, and it may have the effect, as well, of actually causing Putin to finally focus on negotiating an end to the war that he started,” Blinken said.

“In that sense, it can actually bring peace closer, not put it further away,” Blinken said.

Ukraine has repeatedly said that a prerequisite for any peace talks with Russia would be the withdrawal of Moscow’s troops from Ukrainian territory, a demand the West has backed.

Kyiv have made some gains on the battlefield in recent days as its counteroffensive appears to be underway, according to Ukrainian officials and Russian accounts.

胜利？抓普京？Blinken张口闭口negotiating table， focus on negotiating
CNN报道，美国Blinken刚说了，目的只有一个，反击给俄罗斯压力带来谈判，哪里来的胜利？就是谈判桌上筹码多少的问题。
最终还是谈判解决，看谁撑不住，或者都撑不住。

 

[welcomelm]

圈儿这种心态基本上买什么陪什么

 

[ztbll]

只有老川在任上才会真心结束战争，否则会一直打到核战争为止。

 

[贾和平]

胜利者 is always there from the beginning to the end of the war. ​

Lindsey Graham says 'Russians dying' is the 'best money the US has ever spent' while in meeting with Zelensky​

 

[贵圈]

现在这边都要上贫铀弹了，界限又进一层。。。

 

[贵圈]

胜利者 is always there from the beginning to the end of the war. ​

Lindsey Graham says 'Russians dying' is the 'best money the US has ever spent' while in meeting with Zelensky​

RUSSIAns dying？

 

[metropolis]

昨天看到谁说的，瓦格纳是俄国雇佣军，乌克兰是德国雇佣军。

 

[billwanhua]

我可以向圈哥保证，不管任何结果（除非打到莫斯科活捉普京），就像白灯宣传阿富汗胜利一样，最终乌克兰俄罗斯都宣布自己胜利

 

[飞来客]

不可能快速出现胜利者。​

会一直打到美国的军工复合体无利可图了，西方政客、财伐i不方便洗钱了，战争就会结束。

 

[贵圈]

和平吧。老百姓日子难过。。。气候危机加剧。。。环境污染暴增，核灾难临门。。。和平吧。

 

[ASSISTANT]

公投以后战争就结束了

 

[春夏秋鼕]

不会有速胜，两年后看双方是否都真想谈判。。。

 

[阿土仔]

就是问问，今年年内，在不和谈的前提下，以一方投降结束？

等F16和F18、甚至战斧到位再说。