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以色列相信现有132名人质，20人已死亡。三名人质已经逃脱或被遗弃，举白旗呼救仍被射杀
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居然没有一个是加沙的
我从头到尾也没有说过什么你是不是回民。 我也从来没在意过论坛上任何一个用户的宗教信仰和民族身份。
你们不要凭空乱说。
既然你我都持相同观点，即被哈马斯绑架的人质应该全部无条件释放， 那么现在的所谓用罪犯交换人质，当然是一个权宜之计。
你想一想就知道了， 假设现在一伙歹徒，跑去北京的中国银行总行， 劫持了里面的顾客和工作人员， 警察来的时候， 歹徒提出要求用北京大牢里的刑事罪犯交换手里的人质， 而且还是只拿出一部分。
这时候， 记者来问任何一个市民， 问他们是否支持这个交换。 你觉得市民应该如何回答？恐怕所有市民都会觉得，那些银行的人质是无辜的， 理应全部无条件释放。 但是基于现在的僵局， 那么用刑事罪犯交换无辜人质只是一个拯救人质的权宜之计而已。
总不会有市民， 站出来指责北京警方， 说主动权在你们手里， 你们为什么不一开始就准备好囚犯，去换取人质吧。
警方也很无辜呀， 因为歹徒们不先提出要求， 你怎么知道他们是要罪犯， 还是要直升机， 还是要大巴？对不对？
而且， 无论如何， 指责警方是没道理的， 又不是警方劫持了中国银行的人质。 明明是歹徒们做了坏事。怎么还要怪到解救人质的警方头上呢？这点应该不言自明的。
说到伤亡太大， 这也许是事实， 但是请问应该怪到谁的头上呢？ 就巴以而言， 恐怕是要算到那些禁锢平民，不许平民撤离， 利用平民做盾牌挡子弹的哈马斯头上吧。
以色列一方甚至在开战前，特地留出时间， 用无线电、大喇叭、 撒传单等方式通知战区居民暂时离开。 这已经仁至义尽了吧。
自古以来， 打仗都讲究一个突然袭击， 哪有公布自己进攻时间，留出通道和时间段给敌方平民撤离的？
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Hamas official: Israel blocked aid trucks and flew drones over south Gaza
Rushdi Abu AloufBBC News
A senior Hamas official has told the BBC that the delay to the handover of the hostages this evening is due to Israeli violations of the humanitarian truce agreement by preventing agreed-upon aid trucks from entering northern Gaza.
He said that Israel allowed only three trucks out of 100 to reach northern Gaza.
He also said that Israel violated the ceasefire agreement by flying drones over southern Gaza.
Israel has denied it has violated the truce agreement.
首先，回民的事说你了吗？是不是凭空你要是不瞎应当看得到。
其次，如果你认为以色列仁至义尽，伤亡的责任主要在谁，我不同意，也不争论。没有必要，也不可能统一思想。就像不可能无条件释放全部人质一样。
你所谓的权宜之计不就是有条件地释放人质吗？所有的劫持绑架事件，原则上都是不与歹徒谈判，不妥协，不付赎金，实际生活中有可能完全做到吗？如果你的家人被绑架，你会支持坚决不能妥协，要求无条件释放吗？李嘉诚付了数亿美元救回来小儿子，没有报警，亲自与歹徒谈判，他没有依靠警方，也不信任警方，当然也不会怪罪警方。还有加拿大的记者Mellissa Fung也是付赎金营救回来的。类似事例无数。当然也有被砍头的加拿大人质。
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以色列特拉维夫直播，现在是当地时间8:54pm，人质交换囚犯本来计划在下午4点进行。
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Israel Vs Palestine Live | Live From The “Hostages Square” In Tel Aviv | Gaza War LIVE | N18L
Live from the “Hostages Square” in Tel Aviv a day after the release of the first group of hostages.Hamas is due to release a group of hostages through Rafah crossing. In return, Israel will release Palestinians from its jails.
A four-day truce between Israel and Hamas will begin on Friday morning, with civilian hostages and Palestinian prisoners to be released later in the afternoon, Qatar announced Thursday, hours after the deal was originally meant to take effect.
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Israel Vs Palestine Live | Live From The “Hostages Square” In Tel Aviv | Gaza War LIVE | N18LLive from the “Hostages Square” in Tel Aviv a day after the rele...
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Israel Vs Palestine Live | Live From The “Hostages Square” In Tel Aviv | Gaza War LIVE | N18L
Live from the “Hostages Square” in Tel Aviv a day after the release of the first group of hostages.Hamas is due to release a group of hostages through Rafah crossing. In return, Israel will release Palestinians from its jails.
A four-day truce between Israel and Hamas will begin on Friday morning, with civilian hostages and Palestinian prisoners to be released later in the afternoon, Qatar announced Thursday, hours after the deal was originally meant to take effect.
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卡塔尔确认今晚将以13名人质交换39名巴勒斯坦妇女儿童囚犯，导致双方交换推迟的小摩擦已经解决。
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He said: "After a delay in implementing the release of prisoners from both sides, the obstacles were overcome through Qatari-Egyptian communications with both sides.
"Tonight 39 Palestinian women and children will be released in exchange for the release of 13 Israeli hostages from Gaza."
He said this will be in addition to the release of a further seven civilians, which is separate to the temporary truce agreement deal.
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BREAKINGQatar confirms 13 Israeli hostages to be released tonight
Official spokesperson for Qatar’s Ministry of Foreign Affairs, Dr Majed Al-Ansari, says the "obstacles were overcome" and several hostages will be released tonight, following an earlier delay.He said: "After a delay in implementing the release of prisoners from both sides, the obstacles were overcome through Qatari-Egyptian communications with both sides.
"Tonight 39 Palestinian women and children will be released in exchange for the release of 13 Israeli hostages from Gaza."
He said this will be in addition to the release of a further seven civilians, which is separate to the temporary truce agreement deal.
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推迟7个小时后，哈马斯将8名妇女，5名儿童，共13名以色列人质和7名外国人质交给红十字会，现在正在从Rafah关卡进入埃及。
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A further seven foreign nationals will also be released, it says.
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Qatar says 8 children and 5 women among Israeli hostages to be released
Qatar's Foreign Ministry has confirmed that eight children and five women are among the 13 Israeli hostages to be released later on Saturday.A further seven foreign nationals will also be released, it says.
我瞎不瞎， 我自己很清楚， 真心不劳你来指点。 我提前跟你打个预防针而已。我向来不在意回民汉民。
其实我认为回民也不过就是信了伊斯兰教的汉民而已。并没有什么血统不一样。
李嘉诚花钱赎回儿子，你觉得他开心嘛？会像现在那样，认为绑匪是在执行一个正义事业嘛？他也是无奈之举罢了。 事实上， 他事后砸重金加强了家人的安全护卫工作。 因为他心里很清楚， 交赎金只会鼓励绑匪。后来绑匪被抓以后， 你看到李嘉诚去警署为绑匪求情了嘛？
有条件的释放人质，这件事情本身是不应该的， 因为人质是无辜的，应该被无条件释放。
从一开始， 甚至从10/7恐袭之前， 一直到现在， 主动权就一直牢牢的握在哈马斯手里。
我看不懂为什么有这么多人这么偏袒哈马斯。
有一些人的言论， 我是能理解的， 他们只是跟着北京的调门走而已。 但是其他人呢？用你的话说， 莫非都瞎了吗？明明白白的是非也分不清楚？
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你不瞎，凭什么说我们凭空乱说？又没说你。
应该的事多得很，不应该的事时时刻刻都在发生。
你问我李嘉诚开心吗？我肯定地说，我认为他非常开心，（多余的注释：不是说儿子被绑架啊）儿子的命无价，吸取教训，加强保安是很正常，正确的处理。
你看不懂谁也没法，我几乎没看到一个人偏袒哈马斯，两百多万巴勒斯坦人不都是哈马斯，他们的生命值得珍惜，他们的遭遇值得同情。
你认为跟北京的调门走是你的自由，我不争辩。只提个问题，现在全世界这么多同情巴勒斯坦人看到了吧？他们也都是跟着北京的调门走，说得通吗？
你所认为不应该的hostage deal,一定也是“明明白白的是非也分不清”？是不是应该反思一下自己的是非观有没有可能跑偏了？
你瞧，这就是我看不懂你的地方了。
你明明自己说了，你认为人质应该无条件全部释放。怎么一转脸，又去为囚犯换人质辩护了呢？
关于这次hostage deal， 我不是说了，这是权宜之计嘛。只是不得不为之罢了。不应该， 但是不得不为之。 可即便这样， 人质被全部释放了么？
必须要明确：人质是无辜的。他们的自由不应该由其他条件来衡量。难道李嘉诚天生欠绑匪的不成？
这一点，你明明自己也承认的呀。
至于为什么全世界那么多人会支持哈马斯，说实话我看不懂，因为哈马斯的所作所为无论如何也是不应该被支持的。
我能理解的是他们无非是在帮亲不帮理罢了。
就好比，出现了南京大屠杀，日本人会叫好，中国人会愤怒；反之，出现了东京大屠杀，那自然是中国人叫好，日本人愤怒。那些为哈马斯叫好的人，无非是因为自己的宗教或者民族而选择站队而已。这跟这里一些人跟着北京调门站队一样。
他们对于哈马斯对外的屠杀，对内的禁锢其实并不在意。
因为如果真如他们所言，哈马斯是对的，那么他们又有何立场来谴责以色列呢？他们对以色列的指责无非是杀害平民罢了，结果成了哈马斯杀平民就是英雄，以色列杀平民就是宗族灭绝？
再说到这次hostage deal， 哈马斯为什么一开始不开口， 一直到现在才把要求提出来？如果哈马斯一开始就开口提要求， 哪里会有那么多平民死伤？你哈马斯不提要求， 人家以色列怎么会知道哈马斯要什么？对不对？大家要讲道理嘛。 总不能在哈马斯提出要求之前， 以色列就主动把牢里的罪犯都放了吧。 他们怎么知道哈马斯要的是罪犯呢？
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我说了很多遍，你是不是理解力有问题啊？我说如果能做到无条件释放人质，我坚决支持，问题是我认为完全不现实，不可能。所以只要能让人质回家，用面粉，用囚犯，用钱，用任何东西都支持。
再强调一遍：
有条件，无条件迎人质回家都支持。
只要不滥杀无辜，消灭哈马斯恐怖分子都支持。
对不起，你其他言论，我实在读不下去，不知所云。能不能不要来回问同一个问题。没人认为哈马斯屠杀和绑架平民是对的，（这话说了不止5次了吧？）据我所知，日本人反战的也不算少，当然在他们的严厉统治下，这非常不容易。
你给我看看，谁为哈马斯叫好了，都说了什么？人应当有是非，而不是仅仅因为族裔，我实在不愿涉及这些说教。
话不投机半句多，真是烦透了。
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Top row, from left: Noga Weiss, Shiri Weiss, Adi Shoham, Naveh Shoham and Yahel Shoham. Middle row, from left: Maya Regev, Noam Avigdori, Sharon Avigdori, Hila Rotem and Emily Hand. Bottom row, from left: Shoshan Haran, Alma Or and Noam Or. Hostages Missing Families Forum/AP/Reuters
The Israeli prime minister’s office and the Hostage and Missing Families Forum have each released the names and ages of all thirteen Israeli hostages released on the second day of a truce between Israel and Hamas Saturday:
Raaya Rotem, the mother of Hila Rotem, is also still being held in Gaza.
Four additional hostages: Israel said a total of 17 hostages were released by Hamas on Saturday. The four people not listed above are Thai nationals, the Israel Defense Forces said.
These are the names and ages of the hostages released by Hamas Saturday, according to Israeli officials
From CNN's Andrew Carey
The Israeli prime minister’s office and the Hostage and Missing Families Forum have each released the names and ages of all thirteen Israeli hostages released on the second day of a truce between Israel and Hamas Saturday:
- Shoshan Haran, 67
- Shiri Weiss, 53
- Sharon Avigdori, 52
- Adi Shoham, 38
- Maya Regev, 21
- Noga Weiss, 18
- Noam Or, 17
- Alma Or, 13
- Hila Rotem, 13
- Noam Avigdori, 12
- Emily Hand, 9
- Naveh Shoham, 8
- Yahel Shoham, 3
Raaya Rotem, the mother of Hila Rotem, is also still being held in Gaza.
Four additional hostages: Israel said a total of 17 hostages were released by Hamas on Saturday. The four people not listed above are Thai nationals, the Israel Defense Forces said.
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List of 13 released Israeli hostages named
The Isaeli PM's office has published the names of the 13 Israeli hostages released by Hamas from Gaza tonight.In a statement, it said: "The Israeli government embraces the 17 abductees who returned to Israel, 13 of our citizens and four Thai citizens who returned to Israel today.
"Their families were informed by the appointed officials that they are on their way to Israel. The Israeli government is committed to the return of all abductees and missing persons."
The latest hostages to be freed by Hamas are:
The Haran/Shoham family:
Shoshan Haran (67),
Adi (38),
Nave (8),
Yahel (3)
Or family:
Noam (17), and
Alma (13)
Weiss family:
Shiri (53), and
Noga (18)
Avigdori family:
Sharon (52) and
Noam (12)
Others:
- Hila Rotem Shoshani (13),
Emily Hand (9),
Maya Regev (21)
The identities of the Thai foreign nationals that have also been released are not yet known.
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交换的39名囚犯，33名teenager 男孩，6名妇女。其中15名正在服刑，大多数因为袭击以色列人。24人为行政拘留。意味着没有经过任何司法审理，罪名未。
今天在等待释放的监狱发生了暴力事件，两名17岁，一名16岁男孩被击中，伤情不清。
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Palestinians have gathered in front of the Al-Bireh municipality building near Ramallah, in the occupied West Bank, where some of the 39 detainees and prisoners released by Israel as part of a deal with Hamas are expected to arrive shortly.
The Israeli Prison Authority confirmed that all 39 had left their places of incarceration —Damon and Megiddo prisons in Israel, and Ofer prison in the West Bank — earlier Saturday.
Of those, 33 are teenage boys and six are women.
Based on information from the Israeli Prison Authority and the Palestinian Prisoners’ Club, an NGO promoting prisoners’ rights, CNN assesses that 15 of those released on Saturday were serving sentences, mostly for attacks on Israelis.
The other 24 were held in what is called administrative detention, which means they were held without knowing any charges against them, and without any legal process.
Violence near one of the prisons: Three boys were shot and wounded with live ammunition near Ofer prison earlier Saturday evening, according to the Palestine Red Crescent Society.
A CNN team on the ground near Beitunia crossing, which is about 200 meters away from the Israeli prison, had witnessed many Palestinians waiting in the area for the expected release of the prisoners. The team heard three gunshots over the course of an hour and witnessed three boys being carried away on a stretcher over the same time period.
The Red Crescent said two of the boys were 17, and one was 16.
CNN has reached out to the Israel Border Police for comment.
CNN's Nada Bashir, Abeer Salman, Celine Alkhaldi and Kareem Khadder contributed reporting to this post.
This post has been updated with details about the shooting outside Ofer prison.
今天在等待释放的监狱发生了暴力事件，两名17岁，一名16岁男孩被击中，伤情不清。
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39 Palestinian detainees and prisoners were released Saturday as part of Israel-Hamas deal
From CNN's Abeer Salman, Kareem El Damanhoury and Tamar MichaelisPalestinians have gathered in front of the Al-Bireh municipality building near Ramallah, in the occupied West Bank, where some of the 39 detainees and prisoners released by Israel as part of a deal with Hamas are expected to arrive shortly.
The Israeli Prison Authority confirmed that all 39 had left their places of incarceration —Damon and Megiddo prisons in Israel, and Ofer prison in the West Bank — earlier Saturday.
Of those, 33 are teenage boys and six are women.
Based on information from the Israeli Prison Authority and the Palestinian Prisoners’ Club, an NGO promoting prisoners’ rights, CNN assesses that 15 of those released on Saturday were serving sentences, mostly for attacks on Israelis.
The other 24 were held in what is called administrative detention, which means they were held without knowing any charges against them, and without any legal process.
Violence near one of the prisons: Three boys were shot and wounded with live ammunition near Ofer prison earlier Saturday evening, according to the Palestine Red Crescent Society.
A CNN team on the ground near Beitunia crossing, which is about 200 meters away from the Israeli prison, had witnessed many Palestinians waiting in the area for the expected release of the prisoners. The team heard three gunshots over the course of an hour and witnessed three boys being carried away on a stretcher over the same time period.
The Red Crescent said two of the boys were 17, and one was 16.
CNN has reached out to the Israel Border Police for comment.
CNN's Nada Bashir, Abeer Salman, Celine Alkhaldi and Kareem Khadder contributed reporting to this post.
This post has been updated with details about the shooting outside Ofer prison.
