杀手确认了: Tyler Robinson, a 22-year-old Utah 大学优等生,富家子弟

枪在手就有无限的可能。支持拥枪就是为这种可能性开绿灯。有枪的可能性,在任何情况下都会让主动的一方更倾向于开枪的。美国警察为啥喜欢击毙,就是因为自由拥枪让他们执法的危险程度大大提高了。

他父亲是该州警察局长,很清楚他儿子这罪行,如果按一般法律走,大概率 99.9%是死刑。而且从审判到最后执行要10年左右,他已经成为改变美国历史的人物,天天审判,记者围观,想想是好还是坏? 这时其实生不如死。 还做梦能活着出来?除非以后几届美国总统一起共识能从全民和解的角度,豁免死刑转为20-30年徒刑。

继续潜逃,大不了自杀而已。其实存活的机会更大。等过了法律追诉期,最后还能回归社会,很多这样的例子。
 
看不出这两位意识形态不共戴天的地方在哪里?
看上去杀手和受害者均为Trump支持者,杀手及其家庭是淳朴的MAGA支持者,而受害者则为极右的MAGA分子。Robinson at the dinner said “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate,” according to the relative’s account related by Gov. Spencer Cox.

这个 Kirk 也是第一个说Covid是中国病毒(China virus)的人,然后Trump就跟着说了,根据 CBC 的报道 https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859


Conspiracy theories​

During the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, Kirk frequently shared conspiracy theories on social media and was briefly banned from the social media platform then known as Twitter for spreading misinformation.

In March 2020, he posted about the "China virus" — a phrase that was quickly adopted by U.S. President Donald Trump, then in his first term. In December that year, the year-end gala for Kirk's Turning Point USA group went ahead in Florida despite the state's COVID-19 mitigation efforts.

He also notably compared pandemic vaccine requirements to apartheid during a 2021 interview with Tucker Carlson.

Suspect got more political in recent years and criticized Kirk, family told investigators​

From CNN's Andy Rose

The suspect in the killing of Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson, spoke negatively of the victim before the shooting, a family member told investigators, Utah’s governor said.

“Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years,” Gov. Spencer Cox said Friday in a news conference.

The suspect specifically mentioned Kirk during a family dinner, Cox said.

“In the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints that he had,” the governor said.

Robinson at the dinner said “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate,” according to the relative’s account related by Cox.
 
最后编辑:
川普已经公开说要判他死刑了。

从法律上,杀手罪大恶极,满足所有死刑条件。

但川普还是视野太低,严判这个死刑很容易,结果是极端的双方都很愤怒, 暴力和内乱会继续,对美国实力是巨大消耗

但其实有更好的办法, 就是杀手悔过,查理亲属同意减轻刑罚,这样才是对极端左派最大的打击,可惜红脖子看不到这个层面。 LOL
 
看上去杀手和受害者均为Trump支持者,杀手及其家庭是淳朴的MAGA支持者,而受害者则为极右的MAGA分子。Robinson at the dinner said “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate,” according to the relative’s account related by Gov. Spencer Cox.

这个 Kirk 也是第一个说Covid是中国病毒(China virus)的人,然后Trump就跟着说了,根据 CBC 的报道 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)


Conspiracy theories​

During the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, Kirk frequently shared conspiracy theories on social media and was briefly banned from the social media platform then known as Twitter for spreading misinformation.

In March 2020, he posted about the "China virus" — a phrase that was quickly adopted by U.S. President Donald Trump, then in his first term. In December that year, the year-end gala for Kirk's Turning Point USA group went ahead in Florida despite the state's COVID-19 mitigation efforts.

He also notably compared pandemic vaccine requirements to apartheid during a 2021 interview with Tucker Carlson.

Suspect got more political in recent years and criticized Kirk, family told investigators​

From CNN's Andy Rose

The suspect in the killing of Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson, spoke negatively of the victim before the shooting, a family member told investigators, Utah’s governor said.

“Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years,” Gov. Spencer Cox said Friday in a news conference.

The suspect specifically mentioned Kirk during a family dinner, Cox said.

“In the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints that he had,” the governor said.

Robinson at the dinner said “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate,” according to the relative’s account related by Cox.
杀手怎么是MAGA支持者? 他的父母是,他不是

他的很多证据指向它反对查理这类极端MAGA理念,子弹盒还写“反法西斯”这个典型的美左反对MAGA的说法。
 
川普已经公开说要判他死刑了。

从法律上,杀手罪大恶极,满足所有死刑条件。

但川普还是视野太低,严判这个死刑很容易,结果是极端的双方都很愤怒, 暴力和内乱会继续,对美国实力是巨大消耗

但其实有更好的办法, 就是杀手悔过,查理亲属同意减轻刑罚,这样才是对极端左派最大的打击,可惜红脖子看不到这个层面。 LOL

总统 ....


 
川普已经公开说要判他死刑了。

从法律上,杀手罪大恶极,满足所有死刑条件。

但川普还是视野太低,严判这个死刑很容易,结果是极端的双方都很愤怒, 暴力和内乱会继续,对美国实力是巨大消耗

但其实有更好的办法, 就是杀手悔过,查理亲属同意减轻刑罚,这样才是对极端左派最大的打击,可惜红脖子看不到这个层面。 LOL
为什么要让Charlie的家属妥协,何况Charlie和Tyler Scam bag 的行为far from 对等,左左为什么不能向Charlie妥协,Charlie又没要他们的命, 左左也太虚伪了吧
 
看上去杀手和受害者均为Trump支持者,杀手及其家庭是淳朴的MAGA支持者,而受害者则为极右的MAGA分子。Robinson at the dinner said “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate,” according to the relative’s account related by Gov. Spencer Cox.

这个 Kirk 也是第一个说Covid是中国病毒(China virus)的人,然后Trump就跟着说了,根据 CBC 的报道 (https://www.cbc.ca/news/world/charlie-kirk-controversies-1.7630859)


Conspiracy theories​

During the height of the COVID-19 pandemic, Kirk frequently shared conspiracy theories on social media and was briefly banned from the social media platform then known as Twitter for spreading misinformation.

In March 2020, he posted about the "China virus" — a phrase that was quickly adopted by U.S. President Donald Trump, then in his first term. In December that year, the year-end gala for Kirk's Turning Point USA group went ahead in Florida despite the state's COVID-19 mitigation efforts.

He also notably compared pandemic vaccine requirements to apartheid during a 2021 interview with Tucker Carlson.

Suspect got more political in recent years and criticized Kirk, family told investigators​

From CNN's Andy Rose

The suspect in the killing of Charlie Kirk, Tyler Robinson, spoke negatively of the victim before the shooting, a family member told investigators, Utah’s governor said.

“Investigators interviewed a family member of Robinson who stated that Robinson had become more political in recent years,” Gov. Spencer Cox said Friday in a news conference.

The suspect specifically mentioned Kirk during a family dinner, Cox said.

“In the conversation with another family member, Robinson mentioned Charlie Kirk was coming to UVU. They talked about why they didn’t like him and the viewpoints that he had,” the governor said.

Robinson at the dinner said “Kirk was full of hate and spreading hate,” according to the relative’s account related by Cox.
现在有一点基本可以确定的是,右派的杀手并不一定是左翼民主党自由派,虽然简单直觉上可能性最大。
 
他父亲举报的。说劝说都是给台阶

我如果是他父亲,不会举报他。宁可丢了工作警长职位,甚至坐牢,在家里客厅留下现金。让他自己拿或不拿,自己走人。
记得夫妻之间,没有包庇罪的说法,知情不举报,合理合法,父母对未成年子女应该也是如此吧
 
杀手怎么是MAGA支持者? 他的父母是,他不是

他的很多证据指向它反对查理这类极端MAGA理念,子弹盒还写“反法西斯”这个典型的美左反对MAGA的说法。
[子弹盒还写“反法西斯”这个典型的美左反对MAGA的说法]

这个不是官方说法,已经被否认了。
 
[子弹盒还写“反法西斯”这个典型的美左反对MAGA的说法]

这个不是官方说法,已经被否认了。
查了一下ChatGPT,好像子弹盒上确有反法西斯的内容。

下面是我根据**最新报道(2025年9月12日当天及随后的新闻)**整理出的更新版简介——把最重要的事实和能说明其“政治见解”线索的证据列在一起,便于快速把脉。


(我把最关键的 5 点都加了来源引用,便于你自己查证。)

快速结论:

Tyler Robinson(22岁、犹他州)被警方认定为疑犯,涉及在 Utah Valley University 对保守派活动家 Charlie Kirk 的枪击并已被拘捕。关于其政治立场:公开证据显示他对 Charlie Kirk 明显敌对、有反法西斯/反极右的符号与留言痕迹,并且在近年“变得更政治化”;但没有发现他有系统性、公开发表的政策主张或长期政治组织隶属。

重要事实(带来源)
  1. 被确认身份与拘捕 — 犹他州官员与联邦调查部门已公开他为 22 岁的 Tyler Robinson,并在大规模搜查后将其拘捕。
  2. 子弹/弹壳上的刻字 — 在作案武器附近发现的弹壳被刻有多条短语(包括 “Hey fascist! Catch!”、意大利反法西斯歌曲名“Bella ciao”、以及网络 meme/游戏相关的语句)。这些刻字被当作指向其政治表达的线索公开说明。
  3. Discord / 室友证词 — 报道引述警方与家人/室友,称调查人员查到 Discord 等通信中有关于“藏匿步枪、刻字弹药”等讨论,室友向调查者提供了相关对话内容。
  4. 家人/熟人提供线索并可能协助拘捕 — 多家媒体报道指出其家人或熟人提供线索、把他转交给当局;州长在记者会上提到有人将其交出。
  5. 选民登记与政治组织隶属 — 公开选民记录显示他登记为“非党派/非隶属”,且在近年选举记录显示为不活跃(并无长期在党派或组织中活跃的公开纪录)。

关于“政治见解”的可推断点(什么能说明、什么不能说明)
  • 可说明的:弹壳刻字与他对 Kirk 的个人厌恶,都指向对极右/法西斯主义者及其代表人物有强烈对立情绪;Discord 证据显示他在筹划或谈论与武器相关的行动。
  • 不能说明的:并无公开记录显示他对具体政策(税制、医保、外交等)有系统陈述;也没有证据表明他属于某个极左或极右组织、或有一致连贯的意识形态宣言——现有线索更像是针对特定人物与仇恨表达的混合(meme文化 + 反法西斯符号)。
 
查了一下ChatGPT,好像子弹盒上确有反法西斯的内容。

下面是我根据**最新报道(2025年9月12日当天及随后的新闻)**整理出的更新版简介——把最重要的事实和能说明其“政治见解”线索的证据列在一起,便于快速把脉。


(我把最关键的 5 点都加了来源引用,便于你自己查证。)

快速结论:

Tyler Robinson(22岁、犹他州)被警方认定为疑犯,涉及在 Utah Valley University 对保守派活动家 Charlie Kirk 的枪击并已被拘捕。关于其政治立场:公开证据显示他对 Charlie Kirk 明显敌对、有反法西斯/反极右的符号与留言痕迹,并且在近年“变得更政治化”;但没有发现他有系统性、公开发表的政策主张或长期政治组织隶属。

重要事实(带来源)
  1. 被确认身份与拘捕 — 犹他州官员与联邦调查部门已公开他为 22 岁的 Tyler Robinson,并在大规模搜查后将其拘捕。
  2. 子弹/弹壳上的刻字 — 在作案武器附近发现的弹壳被刻有多条短语(包括 “Hey fascist! Catch!”、意大利反法西斯歌曲名“Bella ciao”、以及网络 meme/游戏相关的语句)。这些刻字被当作指向其政治表达的线索公开说明。
  3. Discord / 室友证词 — 报道引述警方与家人/室友,称调查人员查到 Discord 等通信中有关于“藏匿步枪、刻字弹药”等讨论,室友向调查者提供了相关对话内容。
  4. 家人/熟人提供线索并可能协助拘捕 — 多家媒体报道指出其家人或熟人提供线索、把他转交给当局;州长在记者会上提到有人将其交出。
  5. 选民登记与政治组织隶属 — 公开选民记录显示他登记为“非党派/非隶属”,且在近年选举记录显示为不活跃(并无长期在党派或组织中活跃的公开纪录)。

关于“政治见解”的可推断点(什么能说明、什么不能说明)
  • 可说明的:弹壳刻字与他对 Kirk 的个人厌恶,都指向对极右/法西斯主义者及其代表人物有强烈对立情绪;Discord 证据显示他在筹划或谈论与武器相关的行动。
  • 不能说明的:并无公开记录显示他对具体政策(税制、医保、外交等)有系统陈述;也没有证据表明他属于某个极左或极右组织、或有一致连贯的意识形态宣言——现有线索更像是针对特定人物与仇恨表达的混合(meme文化 + 反法西斯符号)。

Wall Street Journal quietly walks back false claim Charlie Kirk shooter had pro-trans messages on his bullets​

By late Thursday, the Journal updated its headline to read, “Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution.”
 
根本原因还是美国高层对不同政见敌对导致整个美国社会的撕裂。坐在chamber里的道貌岸然者干的事情危害性更大,两党极端势力都一样。
美国的病,暂时无解。
 
为什么要让Charlie的家属妥协,何况Charlie和Tyler Scam bag 的行为far from 对等,左左为什么不能向Charlie妥协,Charlie又没要他们的命, 左左也太虚伪了吧
你对这个问题解读太单一了,这个不一定是左左干的,目前没有报道说是他是左派,他家庭也是共和党出身,右派也有反对川普,包含共和党专门有一个反对川普的团体,人也抓到了,等最终官方声明吧
 
最后编辑:

Wall Street Journal quietly walks back false claim Charlie Kirk shooter had pro-trans messages on his bullets​

By late Thursday, the Journal updated its headline to read, “Early Bulletin Said Ammunition in Kirk Shooting Engraved With Transgender, Antifascist Ideology; Some Sources Urge Caution.”
So far, 有反法西斯内容,没看到对LGBTQ的相关看法。
 
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