为什么不投NDP?

[如假包换的马甲]

Liberal has too much entitlement and corruption(it used to seems good to me too). Conservative is too scary. How about NDP? Jack Layton promised no to raise tax. How do you guys know for sure NDP's government will not be good? what are your reasons?

It seems BC's government is NDP(is it true?) and doing well. Saskachewan is always a NDP government, and I know for sure SK has always been doing well. We will no have Health care without NDP and SK. Remember the Greatest Canadian winner, Tommy Douglas? he was a NDP premier from SK.

At the very least, we should give NDP more seats to keep conservative from running wild. It's indeed very scary to have a Conservative majority.

 

[土鳖虫]

NDP 也是我喜欢的党之一，问题是以前NDP(巴伯。瑞当省长)在安省执政时，把安省
经济搞得一团糟，安省人至今记忆尤新。所以，NDP 始终在安省是少数党，你就是
投了也白投。

NDP 搞经济不行，其他方面还是很不错的。总体来说，NDP偏左，保守党偏右，而自
由党相比较与NDP和保守党，比较不走极端而持中，管理经济也很不错。

 

[chieftain]

最初由 如假包换的马甲 发布

At the very least, we should give NDP more seats to keep conservative from running wild. It's indeed very scary to have a Conservative majority.

 

[ccc]

最初由 如假包换的马甲 发布
Liberal has too much entitlement and corruption(it used to seems good to me too). Conservative is too scary. How about NDP? Jack Layton promised no to raise tax. How do you guys know for sure NDP's government will not be good? what are your reasons?

It seems BC's government is NDP(is it true?) and doing well. Saskachewan is always a NDP government, and I know for sure SK has always been doing well. We will no have Health care without NDP and SK. Remember the Greatest Canadian winner, Tommy Douglas? he was a NDP premier from SK.

At the very least, we should give NDP more seats to keep conservative from running wild. It's indeed very scary to have a Conservative majority.

Right on the points!

 

[wushuren]

DNP的问题是政府管理经验不足，这问题实际上不仅是政策问题，而主要是人才问题。有了人才，那么就可以纠正不切实际的政策。
也就是说一个小党如果想从第三党变成主要党，不但要从政策层面入手，也要从人才层面入手。

比如在党内搞面向社会开放的现代科举制度，不用管他是什么党的，赋予三级爵位，笼络住治国人才。

这和古代夺天下，招贤纳士是一个道理。

假设一下，其他政党不搞这个，而NDP首先搞这个，一旦成功，推广，那么这就是下围棋时候的先手。主动权。

西方政党政治的国家几乎没有小党能翻身成为主要大党的。必须加入某种新的机会才有可能。更多的情况下是和其他政党和并，也就是被吞掉。这在单名代表选区制度下，是很可能的结果，例如美国的两党制。这就是为什么NDP在政改方针中提出比例代表制和代表选区制度相结合改革选举系统，防止自己最后被吞。不过这太被动了，只是消极防守。不进攻怎么能赢？

 

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To me, the best result is a minority Conservative government.
Teach Liberal a lesson at the same time Mr Harper cannot go too far right.

 

[wushuren]

NDP的7点政改方案中提到了政府公务员考试公开，杜绝照顾现象。NDP作为议会中的少数党，估计很难实现这样的理念。如果在NDP党内搞更进一步的资格制度,面向社会开放，那政府管不着，同时能笼络来大批的治国人才，即使不是NDP党员，也会形成NDP更强大的外围。NDP本身作为一个党，本身就在加拿大宪政和自由媒体监督下，而且是在打天下，可以杜绝此科举制度的腐败现象，科举内容也必然是现代的。如果以后有问题，还可以改进，比如进一步加强司法监督。

不知道杰克林顿先生是否对这主意感兴趣。

忽悠完了保守党，开始忽悠新民主党。哈哈。

 

[小傻]

Never believe those socialists..they are liars in the blood!

 

[wushuren]

最初由 小傻 发布
Never believe those socialists..they are liars in the blood!

要对他们搞和平演变，把希望寄托在他们的第2代和第3代身上。据说这是杜勒斯说的。

 

[wuwei]

最初由 小傻 发布
Never believe those socialists..they are liars in the blood!

who doesn't lie?

 

[chieftain]

最初由 土鳖虫 发布
NDP 也是我喜欢的党之一，问题是以前NDP(巴伯。瑞当省长)在安省执政时，把安省
经济搞得一团糟，安省人至今记忆尤新。所以，NDP 始终在安省是少数党，你就是
投了也白投。

NDP 搞经济不行，其他方面还是很不错的。总体来说，NDP偏左，保守党偏右，而自
由党相比较与NDP和保守党，比较不走极端而持中，管理经济也很不错。

现在贪污腐败也成了自由党的独家特色了。

 

[serge]

我选NDP

NDPis more practical, Jack Layton 的眼光比较远, 不象Steven Harper急功近利, 画饼充饥. 有数学概念的人大不会相信Steven Harper画的"饼".

 

[lifeisfun]

最初由 如假包换的马甲 发布
Liberal has too much entitlement and corruption(it used to seems good to me too). Conservative is too scary. How about NDP? Jack Layton promised no to raise tax. How do you guys know for sure NDP's government will not be good? what are your reasons?

It seems BC's government is NDP(is it true?) and doing well. Saskachewan is always a NDP government, and I know for sure SK has always been doing well. We will no have Health care without NDP and SK. Remember the Greatest Canadian winner, Tommy Douglas? he was a NDP premier from SK.

At the very least, we should give NDP more seats to keep conservative from running wild. It's indeed very scary to have a Conservative majority.

NDP was in power in BC for 90s. They made a huge deficit and they were wiped out from the government in the last BC election. The health minister of liberal was ex-premier of BC in NDP government.

SK has NDP government, but that's a argriculture province without much economic and they need NDP for good social program.

NDP was in Ontario for one term and they were wiped out completely after just one term. They even posed law to ban store to open on weekend.

Don't elect NDP, it's just a socialist party, knowing only to expand the social program.

 

[wushuren]

DNP的政策瞄准什么阶层，我们是很清楚的，为什么老人和低收入者比较喜欢NDP,还有移民，而高收入者不喜欢。高收入者中可有很多人才的。NDP如果想突破，那就是我的那个办法，那么人才就会多样化，给了各阶层人士进阶的途径，而这些人才影响的政策也必然照顾面比较宽。
只有想不到的，没有做不到的。人有多大胆，地就有多大产.何况又是夺天下这种新情况老问题？

 

[wushuren]

最初由 wuwei 发布


who doesn't lie?

wuwei,

咱们都是老W,都是老舞，要不我和您一样，也投NDP算了。

俺那些乱七八糟的分析都不算啥，至少可以拿这个选举向老W的本家儿们买个好。

至少可以买到小马甲的好，虽然小马甲的用户名中没有W。