奥运碰到藏独

[农夫]

大家可能觉得很没面子。从另一个角度看，却也是我们检讨反省的机会。

为什麽藏人会有这麽多的愤怒？我们是不是确有亏待他们的地方？流亡藏人要返家返国是不是有合理的地方？为什麽西方媒体和民众大多同情藏人，尽管是藏人首先使用暴力？

基督教教导我们要“爱你的仇敌”，传统儒家也提倡以忠恕待人，我们的民族传统是己所不欲勿施以人。

 

[爱喝牛奶的wawdj]

真正藏传佛教的人对于佛法的追寻其实政府是支持的～提供了大量资金修缮庙宇～

那些人就是一些小部分的极端主义分子～

 

[民工]

大家可能觉得很没面子。从另一个角度看，却也是我们检讨反省的机会。

为什麽藏人会有这麽多的愤怒？我们是不是确有亏待他们的地方？流亡藏人要返家返国是不是有合理的地方？为什麽西方媒体和民众大多同情藏人，尽管是藏人首先使用暴力？

基督教教导我们要“爱你的仇敌”，传统儒家也提倡以忠恕待人，我们的民族传统是己所不欲勿施以人。

反恭自省是对的，但不是这个时候。

西藏有6百万人，闹事的只是少数。当年流亡藏人大部分是统治阶层，对共产党比较仇恨是正常的，我记得有一本书里提到对付藏独份子最狠的反而是藏族警察，为什么？没有心理负担啊。

至于西方人为什么同情，你看看这边的媒体就知道了，大部分人就是抱着共产万恶的心态，才同情藏独，如同他们支持某功一样啊。你以为一般人真的知道西藏吗？

如果你有空，看看这个，分析的比较透骨的：
Friendly Fuedalism - The Tibet Myth

 

[sip]

大家可能觉得很没面子。从另一个角度看，却也是我们检讨反省的机会。

为什麽藏人会有这麽多的愤怒？我们是不是确有亏待他们的地方？流亡藏人要返家返国是不是有合理的地方？为什麽西方媒体和民众大多同情藏人，尽管是藏人首先使用暴力？

基督教教导我们要“爱你的仇敌”，传统儒家也提倡以忠恕待人，我们的民族传统是己所不欲勿施以人。

I don't agree with your comments here. It sounds like that you meant that Taliban and Al Kaida's attacking was due to the mistreatment by westerners.

As to the Chinese Tibetan issue, do you think they are badly treated now than was 20 years ago? Look at the TV, why the white guys are so angry? Had they been badly treated by Chinese government? The answer is absolutely no! The only reason can explain it was the result of west media systematically demonizes China. That's why they are angry with China.

 

[tdr]

那是你理解的 "传统儒家" 和 "我们的民族传统" ! 不代表我, 你也无权谈"我们".

'基督教教导我们要“爱你的仇敌” ' ??? 你不是无知, 就是别有用心. 当这些强盗们火烧圆明园, 抢我国宝, 在我们的土地上奸淫掳掠的时候. 他们比魔鬼还毒, 心中会有爱吗?

强盗们杀完了,抢完了, 连手上的血都没有洗净, 却回过头来谈 "爱"? 更可悲的是, 居然有你这种人相信他们的谎言? 你死去的祖先对此会怎么想? 你对得起他们吗? 你不配谈"传统儒家" 和 "我们的民族传统" !

先贤说过, "以德报德, 以直报怨! 以德报怨, 何以报德?".

 

[民工]

西方的良心们

这些人吃饱喝足以后还得站点道德制高点，要不如何体现他们的“高尚”呢？“伪善”这个词送给他们最合适了。

 

[waterloo]

以德报德, 以直报怨! 以德报怨, 何以报德?

 

[-我本善良-]

楼上几位来此满腔愤怒地学习西方道德培养起来的文明，
或是废寝忘食地为深恶痛绝的为西方文明添砖加瓦，
实在滑稽，
不如龟去。。。

 

[pokemon]

大家可能觉得很没面子。从另一个角度看，却也是我们检讨反省的机会。

为什麽藏人会有这麽多的愤怒？我们是不是确有亏待他们的地方？流亡藏人要返家返国是不是有合理的地方？为什麽西方媒体和民众大多同情藏人，尽管是藏人首先使用暴力？

基督教教导我们要“爱你的仇敌”，传统儒家也提倡以忠恕待人，我们的民族传统是己所不欲勿施以人。

要求中国人检讨反省，有点不现实。

中国的落后，是全方位的，包括思维方式。这坛子上的发言，可以作为旁证。

 

[sip]

楼上几位来此满腔愤怒地学习西方道德培养起来的文明，
或是废寝忘食地为深恶痛绝的为西方文明添砖加瓦，
实在滑稽，
不如龟去。。。

This land is your land, this land is my land! Do you mean you want all white guys go back to Europe?

 

[pokemon]

This land is your land, this land is my land! Do you mean you want all white guys go back to Europe?

别提land，现在藏独们就在land上做文章呢。

 

[-我本善良-]

This land is your land, this land is my land! Do you mean you want all white guys go back to Europe?

他们留下是因为爱这里。

 

[农夫]

真象人人会讲，各有巧妙不同。建议各位和西人同事/同学在午餐会时试一下这两种“讲真相”的方式：

方式一：

Col: China is in the news recently.

You: Yeah, that is an unfortunate matter.

Col: Why Chinese government cracks down the peaceful demonstration of Tibetans?

You: Well, the demonstration was not peaceful to begin with. They were killing people and burning properties.

Col: But why China occupies Tibet?

You: This is a complicated issue. I acknowledge that there are some hard feelings among Tibetans, especially those in exile, toward Chinese government or even ordinary Han Chinese people. However, that is not an excuse for violence and killing. To me, what the rioters did to Chinese people are not that different from what the terrists did to the American people a few years ago.

Col: ...

 

[农夫]

方式二：

Col: China is in the news recently.

You: Yeah, those guys are Anti-China separatists.

Col: Why Chinese government cracks down the peaceful demonstration of Tibetans?

You: Well, the demonstration was not peaceful to begin with. They were killing people and burning properties.

Col: But why China occupies Tibet?

You: Tibet was, is, and will always be part of China.

Col: But Tibet was an independent nation before the 50s.

You: That's wrong. You are brain-washed by your biased medium.

Col: ... (I think the medium in my country is more truthworthy than the state-controlled medium in China)... The Tibetans in exile want to go back to their homes.

You: They are terrists (They deserve to live in exile)

Col: ...

 

[sip]

他们留下是因为爱这里。

Well said. We stay here also because we love here. But not the politicians here. You may love the poticians here. Do you?