阿玛蒂亚・森：民主价值观的普适性[ZT]
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闻到一丝不太相信的味道.让俺再试一次.
俺把"观点"的概念稍微界定一下,仅指在辩论或交流中对某一问题的看法.
"旁敲侧击"俺是有的,如果用另外一种立场看有一部分"旁敲侧击"甚至会被理解为"指桑骂槐".其区别是出发点.后者是心头的怒气有怒气需要发泄,前者只是为了让对方理解.在许多的场合下,"平铺直叙"只有反效果只得"旁敲侧击".通常"旁敲侧击"并不直接牵涉到争论的观点.如果以后在辩论中出现这种情况请立即指出.
俺有些时候纯粹在开玩笑,没有任何所指,但是可能会有误导,以为俺故弄玄虚.这好象不是大问题.即使很简单的话也会有人理解错误,都是正常现象.
某些比喻或玩笑需要知道典故否则看不懂.有的是因为新人,不了解以前的一些著名的事件,而老的常客多半看得懂除非记性不好.还有的是需要有一定的知识才理解,俺常常误判,以为是常识,实际上多数人不知道.这一点以后注意.
有一种特殊情况,俺对A说的东西本来就没打算让B知道,B怪不得俺.实际上任何人都没有义务告诉别人自己知道的所有事情.在讨论某一话题是说和话题有关的内容就行了.
还有一种这里没有或者至少俺没有意识到这里有的情况,对方会认定俺隐藏了观点,这是思维方式上的差异,俺怎么解释都无济于事.那没有办法.这连口头辩论都无法解决.
由于俺有不严肃的习惯,今后或许还会造成隐藏观点的印象.不过在辩论中,"煞费苦心的隐藏自己的观点",是一种不公平,是对对手的不尊重,俺现在表达清楚这个观点.今后有的话您完全可以当场指出.如何?
另外,你的转贴确实不错.俺还感兴趣的是南美有许多很早久有民主制度后来又经常反复的那些国家的情况.另外,俺经常提倡看看对方和第三方的材料(常常是对左派).你有没有兴趣找一找有许多前苏联持不同政见者后来的反思文章?
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一篇很不错的文章。对民主的解释不可不谓精辟，受益良多。
对中国的民主来说，在海外永远是绝望的。
在理，总不能把这位印度经济学家也归入“海外民运”吧，怀有民主宪政思想的人何止千万，但一概将其化入“海外民运”，一棍子打死，又怎么会是客观和审慎的探讨方式？再者，将民主宪政精神与“海外民运”有意或者无意混为一谈，等于拒绝心平气和的讨论。“海外民运”的某些人士在为人和运作上的失败，并不等于民主宪政本身失信于民，这一点是要分清楚的，大家在这个坛子里各抒己见，笼统的将两派分为左右，也不是暗示或者明指对方拿了人民币或者新台币。寄望诸君将各自的观点系统予以阐述，共同探讨中国未来的发展方向，这个论坛才有生机，仅靠简单的转贴，难以达到目的。
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Good one. panzer, way to go!
Actually, I've never seen Amartya Sen as a 印度经济学家 though his nationality
is Indian...
Currently he is the Master of Trinity College, Cambridge(He also graduated from
this college...). Sen has established himself in London School of Econimics (LSE),
Oxford, Harvard, Standford, Berkekley and Cornell...returned to Cambridge
in 1997(?) and got the Nobel Prize in 1998...his time in Delhi Univ. was prety
short...
Sen's current wife (3rd?) is from Rothschild Family -- Fu Ke Di Guo De Rotheschild
family. It makes me think sometimes, why on earth these preople are
interested in stuff, such as, social justice...
Actually, I've never seen Amartya Sen as a 印度经济学家 though his nationality
is Indian...
Currently he is the Master of Trinity College, Cambridge(He also graduated from
this college...). Sen has established himself in London School of Econimics (LSE),
Oxford, Harvard, Standford, Berkekley and Cornell...returned to Cambridge
in 1997(?) and got the Nobel Prize in 1998...his time in Delhi Univ. was prety
short...
Sen's current wife (3rd?) is from Rothschild Family -- Fu Ke Di Guo De Rotheschild
family
. It makes me think sometimes, why on earth these preople are interested in stuff, such as, social justice...
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Good one. panzer, way to go!
Actually, I've never seen Amartya Sen as a 印度经济学家 though his nationality is Indian...
Currently he is the Master of Trinity College, Cambridge(He also graduated from this college...). Sen has established himself in London School of Econimics (LSE),
Oxford, Harvard, Standford, Berkekley and Cornell...returned to Cambridge in 1997(?) and got the Nobel Prize in 1998...his time in Delhi Univ. was prety short...
Sen's current wife (3rd?) is from Rothschild Family -- Fu Ke Di Guo De Rotheschild family
First, I appreciate your addition of Sen's biography, wish you could contribute more on the Rotheschild family though. I've never heard of them before.
As for social justice, I would perceive it from a human perspective. People have conscience, which is the bottom line of ethics. When you see poverty, disaster, catastrophe and tyranny prevails across countries and continents, where people suffer due to lack of social safety net, you ought to feel sorry for those people, not happy just because they might become your potential enemies.
Though Richard Nixon's infamous remarks about 'eternal national interests' made us portray US as cold and evil, the irony is that we lost sympathies, compassion, mercy and justice ourselves. These values are the pillars of civil societies, without which, we would be deemed evil by others. Why have Chinese become so heart-hardened? and since when?
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Rothschild Family-- Most famous of all European Banking dynasties, which for some 200 years exerted great influence on the economic and, indirectly, the political history of Europe..
---------from Encyclopadia Britannica
For more information, please refer to the following link
http://www.rothschildarchive.org/ta/data_welcome.asp
As for social justice, conscience and so on so forth, it is a huge topic...forgive me for not trying to involve in you guys' discussions, debates and arguments...
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Really appreciate your ZTed article. Thanks!
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One more word to panzer.
As you mentioned poverty,disaster...in your post, it reminds me the first tract by the Fabian Sociaty, Why are the Many Poor?
I did a search and here you go http://www.fabian-society.org.uk/About/Fabian_History.pdf
I meself prefer evolution to any kind of revolution...
As you mentioned poverty,disaster...in your post, it reminds me the first tract by the Fabian Sociaty, Why are the Many Poor?
I did a search and here you go
http://www.fabian-society.org.uk/About/Fabian_History.pdfI meself prefer evolution to any kind of revolution...
