方舟子遇袭案告破 策划者肖传国落网

肖传国肯定是这样想的:

一般人肯定会想:我这么高智商的人怎么会贼喊捉贼呢?我偏这么做,这叫兵不厌诈,与诸葛孔明的空城计是一样的道理。
 
这个nhl2007很有意思,大家关心的是肖锤子买凶伤人,至于他学术上有多牛,那不是咱们能判断的。你哪怕就真是院士了,拿到诺贝尔奖了,你买凶伤人也是犯罪,也是丢学者这个称呼的脸,再多人呼吁也改变不了这个丢人的事实啊
 
肖传国肯定是这样想的:

一般人肯定会想:我这么高智商的人怎么会贼喊捉贼呢?我偏这么做,这叫兵不厌诈,与诸葛孔明的空城计是一样的道理。
这个nhl2007很有意思,大家关心的是肖锤子买凶伤人,至于他学术上有多牛,那不是咱们能判断的。你哪怕就真是院士了,拿到诺贝尔奖了,你买凶伤人也是犯罪,也是丢学者这个称呼的脸,再多人呼吁也改变不了这个丢人的事实啊

老魏,你和大多数人一样,认识小方是从报纸网站等平面媒体上,跟学毛选差不了多少。

前面大伙说我是老中医或中医的受益者,:D 我真不好反驳。;) 我只是一直在拿中一举例子。

改变我对小方印象的是偶尔看到一次凤凰卫视的talk show(主持人叫什么一虎)。 年头有点长,只记得台上是两位赫赫有名的打假专家,小方是其中之一。台下坐着几位被他们打假的“专家”,其中一位印象最深的是搞地震预报的(好像就是纹川地震预报中的退休的那位)。

一场辩论下来,俺就看明白了,小方们的死穴就是不懂装懂,只能高举科学的大旗来讹诈尚未成为科学的研究。被打假的作了充足的准备,小方们只能以流氓无产者的方式应战。要知道,一涉及的具体的专业领域或学术之争,狗崽队抢版面似的工作方式就显得力不从心了。

老魏们,你们的学历是真刀实枪的,:D 如果,你们的科学研究被人在报纸上,用外行的语言侮辱,你们会不会抽他?:) 你们要是觉得丢份的话,会不会找人抽他?:) 小肖的不成熟就在这里,他公开地讲他什么都不要也要报仇。:rolleyes: 谁对谁错,哪是咱们能看得清的。

我很欣慰地看到,小方其实这两年开始收敛了很多,抛开不擅长的专业领域,瞄准满眼的,闭着眼睛开枪都能打中的学历打假,这样能获得更多的人的认同。
 
老魏,你和大多数人一样,认识小方是从报纸网站等平面媒体上,跟学毛选差不了多少。

前面大伙说我是老中医或中医的受益者,:D 我真不好反驳。;) 我只是一直在拿中一举例子。

改变我对小方印象的是偶尔看到一次凤凰卫视的talk show(主持人叫什么一虎)。 年头有点长,只记得台上是两位赫赫有名的打假专家,小方是其中之一。台下坐着几位被他们打假的“专家”,其中一位印象最深的是搞地震预报的(好像就是纹川地震预报中的退休的那位)。

一场辩论下来,俺就看明白了,小方们的死穴就是不懂装懂,只能高举科学的大旗来讹诈尚未成为科学的研究。被打假的作了充足的准备,小方们只能以流氓无产者的方式应战。要知道,一涉及的具体的专业领域或学术之争,狗崽队抢版面似的工作方式就显得力不从心了。

老魏们,你们的学历是真刀实枪的,:D 如果,你们的科学研究被人在报纸上,用外行的语言侮辱,你们会不会抽他?:) 你们要是觉得丢份的话,会不会找人抽他?:) 小肖的不成熟就在这里,他公开地讲他什么都不要也要报仇。:rolleyes: 谁对谁错,哪是咱们能看得清的。

我很欣慰地看到,小方其实这两年开始收敛了很多,抛开不擅长的专业领域,瞄准满眼的,闭着眼睛开枪都能打中的学历打假,这样能获得更多的人的认同。

西门委员,在下如果不爽,自己也许会,但,绝对不会找人抽,而且是背后下黑手,那是侮辱我自己:flaming:
 
西门委员,在下如果不爽,自己也许会,但,绝对不会找人抽,而且是背后下黑手,那是侮辱我自己:flaming:
老魏委员,这恰恰说明你这光脚的不怕穿鞋的,或者愿意像芙蓉姐姐一样抢版面。有“地位”的人,象去给章小姐泼墨,给x导演剁脚跟的,谁怕“侮辱自己”? 
 
其实方舟子打假超过 10 年。

刚开始,看他的 给小学生XXX改作业 的系列很是过瘾,要知道那正是轮子功在国内正红火的时候。

后来 基因皇后 事件,仅此一项不知道给国家挽回了多少损失? 记得国家当时投了 2000 多万要搞个大项目,后来胎死了!

不明白,方舟子打的假跟他的长相有啥关系?
 
老魏委员,这恰恰说明你这光脚的不怕穿鞋的,或者愿意像芙蓉姐姐一样抢版面。有“地位”的人,象去给章小姐泼墨,给x导演剁脚跟的,谁怕“侮辱自己”? 
西委员,那些泼墨堕脚跟的,那个档次的人,干什么咱都不惊奇
这不是读了点书的人都特别尊重学者尊重院士这些个称号吗,文化人都搞黑社会,那不就斯文扫地了吗:blink:
换句话说,您可能爱听,就是因为尊重肖首席,才不能容忍锤子那么干啊,降低档次降低身份嘛:o
 
西委员,那些泼墨堕脚跟的,那个档次的人,干什么咱都不惊奇
这不是读了点书的人都特别尊重学者尊重院士这些个称号吗,文化人都搞黑社会,那不就斯文扫地了吗:blink:
换句话说,您可能爱听,就是因为尊重肖首席,才不能容忍锤子那么干啊,降低档次降低身份嘛:o
您多久没回国了?:D  您把读书人想的太高。

下面也是我的经历:
我曾有一个同事,或者说领导,80年代欧洲留学回国,号称5年拿了两个博士,这等牛人最终卡位成功,现在是x士。唐博士事件后,我一查,就剩一个了。 我都有心看看剩下的一个的真假,无奈不懂那个小国家的语言。:D

这个知识分子要是无耻起来,用我们北京郭德刚的话说: 流氓会武术,谁也挡不住。:D:D
 
西门委员,在下如果不爽,自己也许会,但,绝对不会找人抽,而且是背后下黑手,那是侮辱我自己:flaming:

问题是如果你55岁而且有心脏病,对方44岁还练过太极拳,你自己动手是抽人呢还是找抽呢?让朋友或亲戚帮你出气也不是不可理解吧。

况且还不只是不爽那么简单。比如吧,viper99在Ottawa的一个公园里卖热狗,有一个叫方舟子的,不仅在cfc网上发帖说你卖的热狗不好吃还含苏丹红,让大家不要买。还到食品与卫生管理局告状(当然被驳回了,因为你卖的热狗不含苏丹红,好不好吃取决于不同人的口味)。

方舟子的行为肯定让viper99不爽,于是,就到小额法庭去告方舟子。v赢了官司,方舟子更不高兴了。法院强制执行判决,从方舟子老婆账户划走3万加币,搞的方舟子夫妻不合。这下方与V就仇更大了。

方一看用过的方法都不管用,于是就到v的热狗摊去捣乱,在v旁边树个牌子,说v卖的热狗是用人肉做的。见到有人来买热狗,就上前跟顾客说“他卖的热狗是假的,会吃死人的”。viper99又到法院去告方舟子骚扰生意。法院认为方舟子有言论自由,商家也应该受消费者监督,所以判viper99输。方是无业游民,一捣乱就是5年,反正也没什么正经事情做。

你说viper99这种情况下应该怎么做?法律方法不行,生意受影响不说,这口气就活生生咽下去?是不是窝囊了点儿?
 
贴一个万维论坛对这个美国医生的分析

1)[FONT=宋体]他们之间有利益关系,现在这个时候有必要先撇清一下自己对有可能的数据造假的参与。[/FONT]
2)[FONT=宋体]他们说了,肖医生在美国做的是动物手术,没有在人体上做手术。所有肖医生报道的反射弧手术是在中国做的(此信最主要的目的)。[/FONT]
3)[FONT=宋体]至于其它,都是些冠冕堂皇的话,其实是不痛不痒的话,静待事情发展再说。如果对肖医生不利,他们这封信就把自己撇清了。如果有利,他们“帮”肖医生说话了。[/FONT]
美国人是人精哦.


31位国际学术同仁声援肖传国医生的公开信

Posted by: mendel
Date: September 30, 2010 04:41AM
Open letter in support of Chuan-Guo Xiao, MFile Format: PDF/Adobe Acrobat
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September 29, 2010

To all:
We have all had the pleasure of knowing Dr. Chuan-Guo Xiao for many years. He is an internationally respected surgeon-scientist who has made major advances in the development of neuroregeneration to restore voiding and bowel function. Dr. Xiao performed groundbreaking animal research in the United States, demonstrating that a motor nerve that innervates the leg can be used to reinnervate the bladder and bowel. This reinnervation allows for development of a reflex to initiate bladder function. The results of his studies were published in peer-reviewed journals and other scientists have replicated Xiao’s findings confirming these results.

Dr. Xiao eventually took the courageous step of moving from animal research to human studies and began performing the rerouting procedure on patients with spinal cord injury and spina bifida in China.
Neurogenic bladder is life threatening in China due to a lack of both antimuscarinics and intermittent catheterization, and lessening the complications of neurogenic bladder would be considered a lifesaving success. Patients with neurogenic bladder and bowel suffer greatly and endure a host of issues such as urinary retention, incontinence, recurrent infections, renal insufficiency, fecal incontinence, constipation, and poor quality of life. For a procedure as complicated as nerve rerouting requiring nerve regeneration, one cannot expect normalization of bladder and bowel function to be the definition of success. What is important is that the benefits outweigh the risks of the procedure.

Dr. Xiao published his clinical results in peer-reviewed journals and was twice honored by the Jack Lapides Essay Contest, one of the most respected international awards given to scientists who make major contributions to the field of neurourology. In 2008, he was named the Kelm Hjalmas Memorial Lecturer from the International Children’s Continence Society for his scientific achievements. Many of us have traveled to China to examine patients treated by Dr. Xiao and/or have been trained by him in the nerve rerouting surgery he invented. Dr. Xiao is a very skilled surgeon who is passionate about patient care and works tirelessly to train physicians around the world in performing his nerve rerouting procedure.

In the United States, an independent and very rigorous pilot research trial was performed to test the safety and efficacy of this procedure. The one-year results were recently published in the Journal of Urology. At the 12-month follow-up visit, a cutaneous to bladder reflex was found in 7 of 9 spina bifida patients, confirming that rerouting does occur. This finding by itself is remarkable and Dr. Xiao should be commended. In addition, a number of patients demonstrated improvement in bladder and bowel function, which has continued to improve with longer patient follow-up. The 36-month results are currently being analyzed and will be reported in the near future. The pilot data was supportive of Dr. Xiao’s procedure, and now an NIH sponsored clinical trial is being conducted to further study lumbar to sacral nerve rerouting in spina bifida patients. In addition, similar procedures have been done worldwide, with Dr. Xiao helping to mentor the surgeons at each site.

The Chinese people and government should be proud of Dr. Xiao for his dedication to his patients, his scientific achievements, and his willingness to train doctors around the world how to perform his surgery. The International scientific community was shocked to hear of Dr. Xiao’s arrest. Those of us who know Dr. Xiao well find it difficult to believe that he is involved in these attacks.

Dr. Xiao is a compassionate man who is respected worldwide for his integrity and his innovative scientific contributions to society. We implore the Chinese government and authorities to treat Dr. Xiao fairly and to protect his human rights as these charges are investigated. Please strongly consider Dr. Xiao’s scientific and humanitarian contributions to the world as facts are gathered in this case.


Sincerely,


Kenneth M. Peters, MD
Professor and Chairman of Urology
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan

Jack S. Elder, M.D.
Chief of Urology, Henry Ford Health System
Associate Director, Vattikuti Urology Institute
Department of Urology, Children's Hospital of Michigan
Clinical Professor of Urology, Case School of Medicine

Edwin A. Smith M.D.
Assistant Clinical Professor of Urology
Emory University School of Medicine
Atlanta, Georgia

Kevin M. Feber, MD, FAAP
Board Certified in Pediatric Urology
Comprehensive Urology
William Beaumont Children's Hospital

Ananias C. Diokno, M.D., F.A.C.S.Executive Vice President & CMOBeaumont HospitalRoyal Oak, Michigan 48073 USA



Juan José de Benito
Urologist
Hospital Nacional de Clínicas
Córdoba, Argentina.

William E. Nantau B.Sc., CNIMClinical ManagerClinical Neurophysiology DepartmentBeaumont Hospital Royal Oak

Evan J Kass MD,FACS,FAAPChief, Division of Pediatric UrologyBeaumont Childrens HospitalProfessor of Urology, Oakland University-William Beaumont School of Medicine

Jacques Corcos MD.Professor of Urology, McGill UniversityGeneral Secretary of the International Continence SocietyJewish General hospital3755 Cote Ste-CatherineMontreal, Quebec, Canada H3T 1E2

Jose Gonzalez, M.D.
Department of Urology
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan


Christopher Payne, MD
Associate Professor of Urology
Stanford University Medical School
Stanford, CA 94305-5118

Kenneth I. Glassberg, MD
Director, Division of Pediatric Urology
Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital of New York-Presbyterian
Professor of Urology, Columbia University
College of Physicians and Surgeons
3959 Broadway, CHN 1118
Earl Y. Cheng, MD
Associate Professor of Urology
Children’s Memorial Hospital
Chicago, Illinois

Darius J. Bagli, MDCM
Professor of Surgery
Senior Associate Scientist
Director of Urology Research
Divisions of Urology and
Developmental & Stem Cell Biology
The Hospital For Sick Children
Institute of Medical Science
University of Toronto

Henri B. LOTTMANN, MD, FEBU, FEBPS, FRCS(england) FEBPU
Paediatric urology unit
Hopital Necker-Enfants-Malades
149, rue de Sèvres
75015 Paris
France

Dr. Amrish Vaidya MS. MCh.Consultant Paediatric Surgeon,Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani Hospital,4 Bungalows, Andheri W, Mumbai, India
Marc Cendron, MD
Associate Professor in Urology
Harvard Medical School
Children’s Hospital Boston
Boston, MA

Stuart B. Bauer, MD
Associate Director, Neurourology
Professor of Urology
Harvard Medical School
Children’s Hospital Boston
Boston, MA


Edmond T. Gonzales, Jr., MD
Professor of Urology
Baylor College of Medicine

Richard Macchia, MD FACS
SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor
Cleveland Clinic, Florida
Benjamin Girdler, MD
Urology Center of the Rockies
Fort Collins, Colorado

William C. de Groat, Ph.D.
Professor of Pharmacology
University of Pittsburgh

Michael R. Ruggieri, Sr., Ph.D.
Director of Urologic Research
Temple University School of Medicine

Stanley J Kogan MDChief, Pediatric UrologyChildren's Hospital at MontefioreBronx NY USA

Anthony Caldamone, MD
University Urologic Associates, Inc.2 Dudley St Ste 185Providence, RI 02905

Yves Homsy MD, FRCSC, FAAP Clinical Professor of Urological Surgery and Pediatrics University of South Florida Children's Urology Group 5507 E. Longboat Blvd Tampa FL 33615

Dr. Enrique Turina
Professor of urology of the National University of Buenos Aires
Chief of section Urology of Instituto de Rehabilitación
Government of Buenos Aires, Argentina.

Dr. Angel Ozón
Urologist of the Instituto de Rehabilitación of Buenos Aires

Dr. Daniel Ekizian
Urologist of Instituto de Rehabilitación.


Professor Dr. med. Karl-Dietrich Sievert
Vice Chair Prof. of Urology, Director - Uro-oncology, Neurourology, Incontinence, & Reconstructive Urology Department of Urology University of Tuebingen D72076 Tuebingen, Germany

Holly Gilmer, MD
Chief of Pediatric Neurosurgery
Beaumont Hospital
Royal Oak, Michigan

Yegappan Lakshmanan, MD
Chief, Pediatric Urology
Children’s Hospital of Michigan
 
我今年55了,是不是应该找人把对我来不爽的年轻人干掉?因为我打不过嘛。
所以你们不要惹我哦,因为我“55岁而且有心脏病”,我会找“亲戚”抽你,当然是用钢管和铁锤“抽”,事前还付10万辛苦费。

问题是如果你55岁而且有心脏病,对方44岁还练过太极拳,你自己动手是抽人还是找抽呢?让朋友或亲戚帮你出气也不是不可理解。

况且还不只是不爽那么简单。比如吧,viper99在Ottawa的一个公园里卖热狗,有一个叫方舟子的,不仅在cfc网上发帖说你卖的热狗不好吃还含苏丹红,让大家不要买。还到食品与卫生管理局告状(当然被驳回了,因为你卖的热狗不含苏丹红,好不好吃取决于不同人的口味)。方舟子的行为肯定让viper99不爽,于是,就到小额法庭去告方舟子。v赢了官司,方舟子更不高兴了。法院强制执行判决,从方舟子老婆账户划走3万加币,搞的方舟子夫妻不合。这下方与V就仇更大了。方一看用过的方法都不管用,于是就到v的热狗摊去捣乱,在v旁边树个牌子,说v卖的热狗是用人肉做的。见到有人来买热狗,就跟顾客说“热狗是假的,会吃死人的”。方是无业游民,一捣乱就是5年,反正也没什么正经事情做。
 
1)[FONT=宋体]他们之间有利益关系,现在这个时候有必要先撇清一下自己对有可能的数据造假的参与。[/FONT]
2)[FONT=宋体]他们说了,肖医生在美国做的是动物手术,没有在人体上做手术。所有肖医生报道的反射弧手术是在中国做的(此信最主要的目的)。[/FONT]
3)[FONT=宋体]至于其它,都是些冠冕堂皇的话,其实是不痛不痒的话,静待事情发展再说。如果对肖医生不利,他们这封信就把自己撇清了。如果有利,他们“帮”肖医生说话了。[/FONT]
美国人是人精哦.

加拿大多伦多大学外科学教授,泌尿学研究主任Darius J. Bagli, 美国哈佛大学医学院泌尿学教授Stuart B. Bauer,以及法国的教授等都是有利益关系? 如果这样,支持方舟子打一打这个由31名名牌大学/医学院/医院教授与肖传国组成的国际造假集团的假。


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国际学术同仁声援肖传国医生的公开信

2010年9月29日

致所有人:

我们都有幸认识肖传国大夫多年。他是一位受国际学术界尊敬的外科医生和科学家,在恢复(脊椎损伤病人的)排尿和排便功能的神经再生研究中,他取得了重大进 展。肖传国医生在美国完成了开创性的动物实验研究,阐明支配大腿的运动神经可以用来绕接支配膀胱和排便。这个绕接可以形成一个反射作用(反射弧)来启动来 膀胱功能。他研究的成果已经多次发表在同行评议的国际科学期刊上。其他的科学家也已经重复并证实了肖医生的这些研究结果。

肖医生最终鼓起勇气将动物实验研究的成果转化到临床试验上,在中国的脊柱损伤和脊柱裂病人身上开展神经绕接(神经通路重建,即反射弧)手术。在中国,由于 缺乏抗痉挛药物antimuscarinics和间歇性导尿术(自插导尿管),神经性膀胱功能障碍成为一种威胁生命的疾病。能缓解神经性膀胱功能障碍的并 发症的疗法,就是一种能够拯救生命的成功。神经性膀胱和排大便功能障碍患者的病情是很痛苦的,包括遭受尿潴留、尿失禁、反复感染、肾功能不全、大便失禁、 便秘等,生活质量极差。神经通路重建手术是一个非常复杂的手术,需要神经的再生。不应当把手术的成功定义为完全恢复排便排尿功能。这项手术的重点在于收益 超过风险。

肖医生的临床研究成果发表在多种学术刊物上,并两次获得Jack Lapides佳作奖,这是奖励在神经泌尿科学界作出重要贡献的科学家的最崇高的国际性大奖之一。2008年,因为他的科学成就,肖医生还获得了国际儿童 排尿节制学会颁发的Kelm Hjalmas演讲者(受邀做大会主题发言)荣誉。我们当中的许多人都曾经到中国去检视肖医生治疗过的患者的情况,观摩或者学习他发明的神经通路重建手 术。肖医生是一位非常有经验的外科医生,他对患者热情照顾,不知疲倦地培训来自世界各地的医生们,来推广他的神经通路重建手术。

在美国,已经开展过一项独立而且严格的先期试验来检验这项手术的安全性和效益。术后一年的治疗结果最近发表在《泌尿科学杂志》( Journal of Urology)上。在12个月的随访期间,在9位脊髓裂患者中,有7位患者,观察到皮下至膀胱的神经反射弧的构建成立,证明神经通路重建手术的确起了作 用。这个成绩是了不起的,肖医生应该得到嘉奖。并且,一部分患者已经展现出大小便排便功能的改善,并将随时间推移而变得更好。术后36个月的成果正在分析 中,不久就会发表。该先期试验的数据是支持“肖氏手术”的,现在受NIH(美国国立卫生研究院)资助的临床试验正在开展,以进一步在脊髓裂患者中研究腰椎 至骶神经通路重建。还有,在肖医生的帮助和指导下,类似的临床试验也在世界范围内开展。

中国人民和政府应该为肖医生对病人所作出的贡献、对他的科学成就,和他在世界上培训医生以推广这项手术的诚意而自豪。国际科学界对肖医生被拘捕的消息感到震惊。我们这些了解肖医生的人,都对他涉入此案感到难以置信。

肖医生是一个极富同情心的绅士,他的诚实和对本学科作出的开创性的科学成就广受世界同行的尊敬。我们恳请中国政府和有关权威机构公正对待肖大夫,并在案情调查期间保障他的基本人权。在此事件中,请重视肖大夫对世界所作出的科学和人道主义事业的贡献。

谨致

Kenneth M. Peters, MD

Professor and Chairman of Urology

Beaumont Hospital

Royal Oak, Michigan

(美国Beaumont医院泌尿科主任)

Jack S. Elder, M.D.

Chief of Urology, Henry Ford Health System

Associate Director, Vattikuti Urology Institute

Department of Urology, Children's Hospital of Michigan

Clinical Professor of Urology, Case School of Medicine

(美国密西根儿童医院泌尿科主任)

Edwin A. Smith M.D.

Assistant Clinical Professor of Urology

Emory University School of Medicine

Atlanta, Georgia

(美国艾默里大学医学院临床助理教授)

Kevin M. Feber, MD, FAAP

Board Certified in Pediatric Urology

Comprehensive Urology

William Beaumont Children's Hospital

(美国William Beaumont儿童医院医生)

Ananias C. Diokno, M.D., F.A.C.S.Executive Vice President & CMOBeaumont HospitalRoyal Oak, Michigan 48073 USA

(美国Beaumont医院执行副总裁)

Juan José de Benito

Urologist

Hospital Nacional de Clínicas

Córdoba, Argentina.

(阿根廷国立医院)

William E. Nantau B.Sc., CNIMClinical ManagerClinical Neurophysiology DepartmentBeaumont Hospital Royal Oak

(美国Beaumont医院临床神经生理科临床主管)

Evan J Kass MD,FACS,FAAPChief, Division of Pediatric UrologyBeaumont Childrens HospitalProfessor of Urology, Oakland University-William Beaumont School of Medicine

(美国Beaumont儿童医院泌尿科主任,奥克兰大学医学院教授)

Jacques Corcos MD.Professor of Urology, McGill UniversityGeneral Secretary of the International Continence SocietyJewish General hospital3755 Cote Ste-CatherineMontreal, Quebec, Canada H3T 1E2

(加拿大麦基尔大学泌尿学教授,国际儿童排尿节制学会秘书长)

Jose Gonzalez, M.D.

Department of Urology

Beaumont Hospital

Royal Oak, Michigan

(美国Beaumont医院泌尿科医生)

Christopher Payne, MD

Associate Professor of Urology

Stanford University Medical School

Stanford, CA 94305-5118

(美国斯坦福大学医学院泌尿学副教授)

Kenneth I. Glassberg, MD

Director, Division of Pediatric Urology

Morgan Stanley Children's Hospital of New York-Presbyterian

Professor of Urology, Columbia University

College of Physicians and Surgeons

3959 Broadway, CHN 1118

(美国哥伦比亚大学医学院泌尿学教授,儿童泌尿学分科主任)

Earl Y. Cheng, MD

Associate Professor of Urology

Children’s Memorial Hospital

Chicago, Illinois

(美国芝加哥儿童医院泌尿学副教授)

Darius J. Bagli, MDCM

Professor of Surgery

Senior Associate Scientist

Director of Urology Research

Divisions of Urology and

Developmental & Stem Cell Biology

The Hospital For Sick Children

Institute of Medical Science

University of Toronto

(加拿大多伦多大学外科学教授,泌尿学研究主任)

Henri B. LOTTMANN, MD, FEBU, FEBPS, FRCS(england) FEBPU

Paediatric urology unit

Hopital Necker-Enfants-Malades

149, rue de Sèvres

75015 Paris

France

(法国Necker-Enfants-Malades医院儿童泌尿科医生)

Dr. Amrish Vaidya MS. MCh.Consultant Paediatric Surgeon,Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani Hospital,4 Bungalows, Andheri W, Mumbai, India

(印度Kokilaben Dhirubhai Ambani医院医生)

Marc Cendron, MD

Associate Professor in Urology

Harvard Medical School

Children’s Hospital Boston

Boston, MA

(美国哈佛大学医学院泌尿学副教授)

Stuart B. Bauer, MD

Associate Director, Neurourology

Professor of Urology

Harvard Medical School

Children’s Hospital Boston

Boston, MA

(美国哈佛大学医学院泌尿学教授,波士顿儿童医院神经泌尿科副主任)

Edmond T. Gonzales, Jr., MD

Professor of Urology

Baylor College of Medicine

(美国贝勒医学院泌尿学教授)

Richard Macchia, MD FACS

SUNY Distinguished Teaching Professor

Cleveland Clinic, Florida

(美国Cleveland临床中心教授)

Benjamin Girdler, MD

Urology Center of the Rockies

Fort Collins, Colorado

(美国科罗拉多洛基泌尿中心医生)

William C. de Groat, Ph.D.

Professor of Pharmacology

University of Pittsburgh

(美国匹兹堡大学药理学教授)

Michael R. Ruggieri, Sr., Ph.D.

Director of Urologic Research

Temple University School of Medicine

(美国坦普大学医学院泌尿学研究主任)

Stanley J Kogan MDChief, Pediatric UrologyChildren's Hospital at MontefioreBronx NY USA

(美国Montefiore儿童医院儿童泌尿科主任)

Anthony Caldamone, MD

University Urologic Associates, Inc.2 Dudley St Ste 185Providence, RI 02905

(美国布朗大学泌尿学中心医生)

Yves Homsy MD, FRCSC, FAAP Clinical Professor of Urological Surgery and Pediatrics University of South Florida Children's Urology Group 5507 E. Longboat Blvd Tampa FL 33615

(美国南弗罗里达大学临床泌尿学教授)

Dr. Enrique Turina

Professor of urology of the National University of Buenos Aires

Chief of section Urology of Instituto de Rehabilitación

Government of Buenos Aires, Argentina.

(阿根廷国立Buenos Aires大学泌尿学教授)

Dr. Angel Ozón

Urologist of the Instituto de Rehabilitación of Buenos Aires

(阿根廷国立Buenos Aires大学泌尿学医生)

Dr. Daniel Ekizian

Urologist of Instituto de Rehabilitación.

(阿根廷国立Buenos Aires大学泌尿学医生)

Professor Dr. med. Karl-Dietrich Sievert

Vice Chair Prof. of Urology, Director - Uro-oncology, Neurourology, Incontinence, & Reconstructive Urology Department of Urology University of Tuebingen D72076 Tuebingen, Germany

(德国Tuebingen大学泌尿学教授、主任)

Holly Gilmer, MD

Chief of Pediatric Neurosurgery

Beaumont Hospital

Royal Oak, Michigan

(美国Beaumont医院儿童神经外科主任)

Yegappan Lakshmanan, MD

Chief, Pediatric Urology

Children’s Hospital of Michigan

(美国密西根儿童医院儿童泌尿科主任)
 
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问题是如果你55岁而且有心脏病,对方44岁还练过太极拳,你自己动手是抽人呢还是找抽呢?让朋友或亲戚帮你出气也不是不可理解吧。

况且还不只是不爽那么简单。比如吧,viper99在Ottawa的一个公园里卖热狗,有一个叫方舟子的,不仅在cfc网上发帖说你卖的热狗不好吃还含苏丹红,让大家不要买。还到食品与卫生管理局告状(当然被驳回了,因为你卖的热狗不含苏丹红,好不好吃取决于不同人的口味)。

方舟子的行为肯定让viper99不爽,于是,就到小额法庭去告方舟子。v赢了官司,方舟子更不高兴了。法院强制执行判决,从方舟子老婆账户划走3万加币,搞的方舟子夫妻不合。这下方与V就仇更大了。

方一看用过的方法都不管用,于是就到v的热狗摊去捣乱,在v旁边树个牌子,说v卖的热狗是用人肉做的。见到有人来买热狗,就上前跟顾客说“他卖的热狗是假的,会吃死人的”。viper99又到法院去告方舟子骚扰生意。法院认为方舟子有言论自由,商家也应该受消费者监督,所以判viper99输。方是无业游民,一捣乱就是5年,反正也没什么正经事情做。

你说viper99这种情况下应该怎么做?法律方法不行,生意受影响不说,这口气就活生生咽下去?是不是窝囊了点儿?

不用问我,就是再不中用,这种陷朋友与亲戚于不义的事在下也绝对不会干,这远远超出了在下做人的底线,也许人与人不同,这种化10万元买凶暗中伤人的事,在下被人欺负死也不会做这种卑鄙小人的勾当。
更何况,肖锤子绝对不是个弱势的人,两次行凶间隔两个月,说明绝对不是一时冲动,无论肖首席学术水平多么高,这么下作,行凶后还诬蔑受害人报假案,无法让正常思维的人理解和接受。
学术高就可以犯罪后法外开恩吗?就值得人们去理解和同情吗?那老干部们过去立下汗马功劳了,犯罪就可以去理解和同情吗:blink:

每个人判断是非的标准及看问题的角度有很大不同
有的人看重的肖首席的学术水平,瞧不起方肘子的不务正业
有的人不能接受的是,作为一个有影响力的知名学者,无论什么原因,都不可以做黑社会的勾当,这远远超出了一个受过良好教育(well educated)的人的行为标准
 
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