急问: Early French Immersion Or Middle French Immersion?
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在这里也说两句吧，有些在另一个帖子说到了
就我所知道的来说，前面也有人提到了，FI里的整体学生素质强于普通英语，这个是不辨的事实。
但是，我给小孩子报名了 Regular English with Core French for Senior Kindergarten 而不是EFI。因为我不会法语，她上学后，我根本帮不了她。等她到了四年级，英语掌握了，再进去MFI，她就可以独立生存了。
我的想法很简单，就是希望孩子的第一语言/母语是中文，哪怕是文盲，我能用中文同孩子亲昵，孩子也能用中文来撒娇，不管长到多大，这是我的心愿。为了达到这个目的，家里交流完全是中文，如果孩子在哪个用词上卡壳了，我就仔细重复给她，而不是用英语替代（在这种情况下，如果孩子还参加EFI，我为她感到累，也学不好）；另外，每天有半个多小时读书的时间，我陪她讲英语，她平时看电视和电影大概每天两个小时是英语，加上幼儿园的全天双语 （英语为主）。这样，英语将是她的第二语言，但是，她长大后，英语应该是她工作/闯荡社会的第一语言。
希望她基本掌握英语后，再努力攻法语，目的很明确，多一门工具。
这个路子是行得通的，因为，我大女儿就是这样走过来的。
从MFI开始，前一两年并不顺利。她6岁从国内来，所以小学前两三年上ESL，把Core French的时间都挤占了，进入四年级，同班的孩子都有Core French基础，她的French基础几乎为零，她学得很辛苦，我曾经问她要不要换回英语，
她也犹豫过，最后还是坚持下来了，过了那个坎，越来越好了。她初中毕业，拿到了Honour Roll （平均〉80%）。
高中法语分三个等级：Core French, Extended French and French Immersion.
Core French: by the end of the 4-year program, students will be able to participate in a straightforward conversation in F; will be able to read, with the help of a dictionary, books, magazines, and newspapers in French; and will be able to understand the general meaning of radio and television news and other programs.
Extended French:...students will be able to converse freely on familiar topics; ...read, with the occasional help of a dictionary....;will be able to function in a French-speaking community. Schools grant a certificate in Extended French if the student has passed 4 courses of French + minimum 3 courses of other subjects taught in French.
French Immersion:...students will participate easily in conversations and discussions; will be able to take courses at the college or university level with French instruction; will be able to accept employment in which French is the working language. For this certificate, the student should has passed 4 courses of French + minimum 6 courses of other subjects taught in French.
进入高中后，大女儿主动坚持在FI，并且致力于拿到French Immersion 证书，因为，她自己感觉那样子她很强。9年级她还是Honour Roll + 数学单科最高成绩证书。
强调一下，每个家庭都有不同，只有取舍，没有对错，关键在看个人最想要什么。
抱歉，expertchan，几天没上来，没来得及回帖，你的问题别人也已经回答了。
就我所知道的来说，前面也有人提到了，FI里的整体学生素质强于普通英语，这个是不辨的事实。
但是，我给小孩子报名了 Regular English with Core French for Senior Kindergarten 而不是EFI。因为我不会法语，她上学后，我根本帮不了她。等她到了四年级，英语掌握了，再进去MFI，她就可以独立生存了。
我的想法很简单，就是希望孩子的第一语言/母语是中文，哪怕是文盲，我能用中文同孩子亲昵，孩子也能用中文来撒娇，不管长到多大，这是我的心愿。为了达到这个目的，家里交流完全是中文，如果孩子在哪个用词上卡壳了，我就仔细重复给她，而不是用英语替代（在这种情况下，如果孩子还参加EFI，我为她感到累，也学不好）；另外，每天有半个多小时读书的时间，我陪她讲英语，她平时看电视和电影大概每天两个小时是英语，加上幼儿园的全天双语 （英语为主）。这样，英语将是她的第二语言，但是，她长大后，英语应该是她工作/闯荡社会的第一语言。
希望她基本掌握英语后，再努力攻法语，目的很明确，多一门工具。
这个路子是行得通的，因为，我大女儿就是这样走过来的。
从MFI开始，前一两年并不顺利。她6岁从国内来，所以小学前两三年上ESL，把Core French的时间都挤占了，进入四年级，同班的孩子都有Core French基础，她的French基础几乎为零，她学得很辛苦，我曾经问她要不要换回英语，
她也犹豫过，最后还是坚持下来了，过了那个坎，越来越好了。她初中毕业，拿到了Honour Roll （平均〉80%）。
高中法语分三个等级：Core French, Extended French and French Immersion.
Core French: by the end of the 4-year program, students will be able to participate in a straightforward conversation in F; will be able to read, with the help of a dictionary, books, magazines, and newspapers in French; and will be able to understand the general meaning of radio and television news and other programs.
Extended French:...students will be able to converse freely on familiar topics; ...read, with the occasional help of a dictionary....;will be able to function in a French-speaking community. Schools grant a certificate in Extended French if the student has passed 4 courses of French + minimum 3 courses of other subjects taught in French.
French Immersion:...students will participate easily in conversations and discussions; will be able to take courses at the college or university level with French instruction; will be able to accept employment in which French is the working language. For this certificate, the student should has passed 4 courses of French + minimum 6 courses of other subjects taught in French.
进入高中后，大女儿主动坚持在FI，并且致力于拿到French Immersion 证书，因为，她自己感觉那样子她很强。9年级她还是Honour Roll + 数学单科最高成绩证书。
强调一下，每个家庭都有不同，只有取舍，没有对错，关键在看个人最想要什么。
抱歉，expertchan，几天没上来，没来得及回帖，你的问题别人也已经回答了。
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十分同意broadway的分析。
其实，几天前expertchan曾发过您的链接。我只是粗粗浏览了一下，总体感觉，见解独到，分析精辟，当时以为是哪一位老华侨的经验之谈。今日在此，有幸再读，发现您是一位新移民，更是佩服，因为许多老移民未必能有这样的见地。当然，如果不是久居海外也未必能够领会您的真谛。
其实，几天前expertchan曾发过您的链接。我只是粗粗浏览了一下，总体感觉，见解独到，分析精辟，当时以为是哪一位老华侨的经验之谈。今日在此，有幸再读，发现您是一位新移民，更是佩服，因为许多老移民未必能有这样的见地。当然，如果不是久居海外也未必能够领会您的真谛。
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这个bilingualism certificate我不知道，大概不是指高中生吧。
French Immersion Certificate是高中最高级别的FSL证书，是证明有工作能力的。所以，我想至少是相当于的。
多谢夸奖:blowzy:
将这两个链接也发到这里,从这些文章完全看得出,有FI的学校有点象国内的名校,很受追捧,特别如温哥华等,好象只有11%的学生才能接受FI,我去年回国时,同机坐我旁边的有一人在温哥华买房了,他很得意的说他的房子属FI学校的校区,非常好租.
双语教育是渥太华的一个优势,我们应该利用好.
http://www.cpfmb.com/Immersion (1).pdf
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...5-8e418a9a33e3
将这两个链接也发到这里,从这些文章完全看得出,有FI的学校有点象国内的名校,很受追捧,特别如温哥华等,好象只有11%的学生才能接受FI,我去年回国时,同机坐我旁边的有一人在温哥华买房了,他很得意的说他的房子属FI学校的校区,非常好租.
双语教育是渥太华的一个优势,我们应该利用好.
http://www.cpfmb.com/Immersion (1).pdf
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/...5-8e418a9a33e3
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你的这个想法只是你个人的观点。 其实政府是要平衡生源的，现在就是要特意把好的program，象FI和 gifted class都放到不大好的学校里，还吸引好的生源。 所以有FI的不是名校，而是平均生源会好。
主坛的长贴
http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum5/thread886748.html
说的这次教育局重新划分学区，转移学生，原因就是FI特别是MFI太受追捧，学校爆满，还都是(我感觉)华人聚居地地方：downtown Glebe，Kanata Katimavik，Kanata Lakes。
嘿嘿，刚来的同胞不是不知道哪里学校最好吗，这仨地儿，挤进去没错
http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum5/thread886748.html
说的这次教育局重新划分学区，转移学生，原因就是FI特别是MFI太受追捧，学校爆满，还都是(我感觉)华人聚居地地方：downtown Glebe，Kanata Katimavik，Kanata Lakes。
嘿嘿，刚来的同胞不是不知道哪里学校最好吗，这仨地儿，挤进去没错
就Kanata Lakes有新房吧？主坛的长贴
http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum5/thread886748.html
说的这次教育局重新划分学区，转移学生，原因就是FI特别是MFI太受追捧，学校爆满，还都是(我感觉)华人聚居地地方：downtown Glebe，Kanata Katimavik，Kanata Lakes。
嘿嘿，刚来的同胞不是不知道哪里学校最好吗，这仨地儿，挤进去没错
Barrhaven 不好吗？
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这２天和我们同事聊这个话题，他们说从掌握一门语言来说，早３年晚３年学没有太大差别，关键在于孩子以后的职业和是否继续应用法语，以后不用，学了10年，孩子也会慢慢丢掉，以后要用，学了５，６年一样能俭起来。而且要看孩子是否有兴趣。他们开玩笑说，你们中国家长着急的东西可真多，每个孩子的兴趣都不一样（我理解他们说的兴趣可能是指职业选择），没有标准答案。
象我儿子从middle开始，现在法语也很流利了，高中再选点法语课程，以后工作真需要的话，没任何问题。他说他肯定不会去当法语老师或翻译。
我发现着急提问的可能都是第一个孩子开始上学，家里有了大孩子上过的都提出了不同的体会，大概这就是经验的可贵吧。而且在愧省生活或上班的家长更重视法语。
象我儿子从middle开始，现在法语也很流利了，高中再选点法语课程，以后工作真需要的话，没任何问题。他说他肯定不会去当法语老师或翻译。
我发现着急提问的可能都是第一个孩子开始上学，家里有了大孩子上过的都提出了不同的体会，大概这就是经验的可贵吧。而且在愧省生活或上班的家长更重视法语。
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不在蒙校接着读了。。我以为贤伉俐要一鼓作气将私校进行到底呢。。。
下面这文章别人转的在另一个楼里，没看过偷着看一下八，千万别评论。。
http://www.canada.com/ottawacitizen/columnists/story.html?id=7ecc8284-b182-431b-b1c5-8e418a9a33e3
我们没送。。主要是这边EFI的学校时间让人受不了。。我们亲家你知道他们马上搬过来，两口子都是卖机尔的对法语比较衷爱。。听说准备送。。
孩子二年级时开家长会，我跟老师提到我用 google translate 给孩子检查作业，老师说 Don't do that please。她说我知道你们很多家长想要孩子有一个好成绩，我可以告诉你作业不记入成绩。老师留作业就是要了解学生学会了多少，你们家长都给翻译成英语了，老 师就没法掌握学生状况了。
别人的社区我可不敢评论，没发言权:blowzy:
别人的社区我可不敢评论，没发言权:blowzy:
Here are examples from my family. My son completed JK- grade 4 in English,
then he was transferred to a French school (Complete) in Quebec Grade 5- grade 6. When he was in the French school at the beginning, he almost couldn't tell that he want to go to washroom. But after he finished Grade 6, he could switch English and French so easily. He went to French Immersion in Junior high. Then he is in French Extended program in High school for two years. I feel his French getting less and less. All other subjects, he's getting 90s%, but French and English are about 85%. Not too bad. I guess probably he missed to study English for two years (Grade 5-6). But at least he obtained another language.
Now I am doing the same thing to my daughter. Probably I am a bad mother. She was in an English childcare centre. Last September I sent her in a French school (complete) in Ottawa. At the beginning, she was struggling in the school. She has a strong personality, but she couldn't understand the school rules and couldn't express her feelings. At the first two months, she received two warning notices from the school. And the principle asked me to transfer her to an English school. I was sad, but I was keeping silent. I didn’t received any complains from her teacher from the third month. I received a postcard from her principle for her outstanding acting in school. Now she speaks French in the class, speaks English/French in after school program, speak Chinese/English mixed at home. But as a parent, in order for my kids to stay in French study, I tried to study French too. There’s no way to avoid it. I have to read the note in French from school every night. I read simple French book to my daughter. I helped my son’s math (in Grade 5-6) in French. Meanwhile I found my French has been improved slowly but greatly. Now I am keeping pray that she can do well in school. She is just in JK. We never know what could be happened.
In summary, I like to let my kids and including myself to have chance to try something challenge. You never know if you could succeed or not.
then he was transferred to a French school (Complete) in Quebec Grade 5- grade 6. When he was in the French school at the beginning, he almost couldn't tell that he want to go to washroom. But after he finished Grade 6, he could switch English and French so easily. He went to French Immersion in Junior high. Then he is in French Extended program in High school for two years. I feel his French getting less and less. All other subjects, he's getting 90s%, but French and English are about 85%. Not too bad. I guess probably he missed to study English for two years (Grade 5-6). But at least he obtained another language.
Now I am doing the same thing to my daughter. Probably I am a bad mother. She was in an English childcare centre. Last September I sent her in a French school (complete) in Ottawa. At the beginning, she was struggling in the school. She has a strong personality, but she couldn't understand the school rules and couldn't express her feelings. At the first two months, she received two warning notices from the school. And the principle asked me to transfer her to an English school. I was sad, but I was keeping silent. I didn’t received any complains from her teacher from the third month. I received a postcard from her principle for her outstanding acting in school. Now she speaks French in the class, speaks English/French in after school program, speak Chinese/English mixed at home. But as a parent, in order for my kids to stay in French study, I tried to study French too. There’s no way to avoid it. I have to read the note in French from school every night. I read simple French book to my daughter. I helped my son’s math (in Grade 5-6) in French. Meanwhile I found my French has been improved slowly but greatly. Now I am keeping pray that she can do well in school. She is just in JK. We never know what could be happened.
In summary, I like to let my kids and including myself to have chance to try something challenge. You never know if you could succeed or not.
