请问,藏汉千年相安无事,为何只对中共不满?

[lindamy]

Read this please. History of Tibet - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

从你给得这个“西藏历史”上，也看不出藏汉千年相安无事的结论。只看到它弱小，多灾多难的历史。和汉族统治政权，和蒙古，西夏邻邦的征战从未停止过，连印度，甚至英国都队对其入侵，瓜分。西藏的农奴主和农奴，藏王和佛教徒，班禅和达赖之间都是矛盾重重。

世界上其他国家的统一独立之争从来都是充满血腥的战斗，Brave Heart看过吧？够惨烈了。英国的北爱尔兰共和军是被标志为恐怖组织的，西班牙的巴斯克分裂分子也多次采取爆炸手段，伤害无辜百姓。加拿大的愧独运动也曾流过血。

苏联和塞尔维亚的分裂和国家贫穷有关。任何民族的利益都不是一致的，满足了农奴，可能就得罪了农奴主，当藏族内部利益集团存在很多差异时，没有什么政策能使所有人满意。

建议您不要轻易下结论。

 

[胡二毛]

It is no problem at all for Chinese to think Tibet is part of China. Myself would like to agree that as well. But, now the problem is how can we make MOST TIBETANS think the same way. We need to earn their true heart. That is eventual goal.

记得诸葛亮七擒孟获的故事吗? Do you see how Canadian tackles Quebec issue? Bloc Quebecois is a pretty strong political power in Canada, esp in QC when we do federal election. But do you think they can get the Quebec sovereignty in a predictable future? I doubt that.

Thanks for you pointing to the history, from what I leanred from there, Tibet has closer relation with China long before Quebec with Canada, Texas, California with states. So I don't see why we couldn't consider Tibet is part of China.

 

[胡二毛]

我的结论是靠武力,流血永远无法解决真正的问题. 流血加仇恨,最终的结局就是今天的巴以冲突. 血越多,越无解. 更麻烦的是,我们将留给汉藏下一代,或下几代是和平相助还是仇恨和血泪.

从你给得这个“西藏历史”上，也看不出藏汉千年相安无事的结论。只看到它弱小，多灾多难的历史。和汉族统治政权，和蒙古，西夏邻邦的征战从未停止过，连印度，甚至英国都队对其入侵，瓜分。西藏的农奴主和农奴，藏王和佛教徒，班禅和达赖之间都是矛盾重重。

世界上其他国家的统一独立之争从来都是充满血腥的战斗，Brave Heart看过吧？够惨烈了。英国的北爱尔兰共和军是被标志为恐怖组织的，西班牙的巴斯克分裂分子也多次采取爆炸手段，伤害无辜百姓。加拿大的愧独运动也曾流过血。

苏联和塞尔维亚的分裂和国家贫穷有关。任何民族的利益都不是一致的，满足了农奴，可能就得罪了农奴主，当藏族内部利益集团存在很多差异时，没有什么政策能使所有人满意。

建议您不要轻易下结论。

 

[lindamy]

我的结论是靠武力,流血永远无法解决真正的问题. 流血加仇恨,最终的结局就是今天的巴以冲突. 血越多,越无解. 更麻烦的是,我们将留给汉藏下一代,或下几代是和平相助还是仇恨和血泪.

当有人暴乱时，能有什么其他好办法吗？加拿大的特鲁多也只能镇压。

 

[appledriver]

这些话你应该对那些杀人放火的藏独分子说去.

还有啊,什么狗屁"中立者们的声音", 看看西方媒体明目张胆地张冠李戴就明白了(youtube上就有),他们只有一个目的: 把中国搞的越乱越好.

我的结论是靠武力,流血永远无法解决真正的问题. 流血加仇恨,最终的结局就是今天的巴以冲突. 血越多,越无解. 更麻烦的是,我们将留给汉藏下一代,或下几代是和平相助还是仇恨和血泪.

 

[胡二毛]

You'd better try to talk the Tibetan issue with any local people and you can make a survey to see what are their opinions. If most people blame what Chinese government doing, you at least think about the issue deeper. I mean, the way Chinese government applying is not basically accepted by the civilian world.

还有啊,什么狗屁"中立者们的声音", 看看西方媒体明目张胆地张冠李戴就明白了(youtube上就有),他们只有一个目的: 把中国搞的越乱越好.

 

[夜色]

You'd better try to talk the Tibetan issue with any local people and you can make a survey to see what are their opinions. If most people blame what Chinese government doing, you at least think about the issue deeper. I mean, the way Chinese government applying is not basically accepted by the civilian world.

I believe the word you are trying to use here is "civilized".

Don't you see that's exactly where the problem lies? Chinese may or may not know what the local Tibetans are thinking, what we do know, is that we were not taught that Han should discriminate against Tibetans; Although we may not know what kind of freedom they seek, what we do know is that aside from independence, the government seems willing to do anything to keep the Tibetans happy, and yet people come out of nowhere (or the civilized world as they so claim) and accuse the government of violent and savage conduct(Tibetans were tortured daily for exercising their beliefs? Give me break please). When such claims are backed by statements like "some sources claim that up to 100 Tibetan lives had been lost", and yet seem to ignore the plight of the victims and denounce the broadcasting of such tragedy as Chinese propaganda, how can you expect the Chinese to simply calm down in front of such arrogance? This is a media war where both sides simply cannot seem to understand one another.

 

[labor]

当有人暴乱时，能有什么其他好办法吗？加拿大的特鲁多也只能镇压。

镇压? 死了几个人？

 

[夜色]

Indeed, I'm surprised that you said this. However, the problem now, is that whether Tibetans would persuade Beijing through their attitude, that it is indeed worth it for the government to earn their true heart. As it stands, Beijing may very well harden the policy in Tibet, and start doing what they were accused of doing on purpose - acceleration of assimilation.

I hope they do. Even though personally I think it will be inevitable that all cultures combine, some may think otherwise. Whatever resolution comes out of this, I just hope it satisfies the most people.

It is no problem at all for Chinese to think Tibet is part of China. Myself would like to agree that as well. But, now the problem is how can we make MOST TIBETANS think the same way. We need to earn their true heart. That is eventual goal.

记得诸葛亮七擒孟获的故事吗? Do you see how Canadian tackles Quebec issue? Bloc Quebecois is a pretty strong political power in Canada, esp in QC when we do federal election. But do you think they can get the Quebec sovereignty in a predictable future? I doubt that.

 

[夜色]

镇压? 死了几个人？

October Crisis: [Taken directly from Wikipedia]

The October Crisis was a series of dramatic events triggered by two terrorist kidnappings of government officials by members of the Front de libération du Québec in the province of Quebec, Canada, in October 1970, which ultimately resulted in a brief invocation of the War Measures Act by Prime Minister Pierre Elliot Trudeau and the deployment of the national army in Quebec and in the national capital Ottawa.
The Premier of Quebec, Robert Bourassa, and the Mayor of Montreal, Jean Drapeau, requested that the Government of Canada invoke the War Measures Act. The act provided for far-reaching powers for police. Therefore, Prime Minister Trudeau invoked it in October of 1970 leading to arrests of any individuals the police thought to be separatists, and to their detentions without bail.
At that time, the federal government refused to differentiate the members of the FLQ, extremist separatists, and those of the PQ who advocated democratic ways of achieving independence.[1] Following that crisis, under Prime Minister Trudeau's directions, this led to a series of scandals surrounding the Royal Canadian Mounted Police, particularly to the RCMP's illegal break-in to steal the Parti Québécois's member list in its offices in 1973.[2]

- The act provided for far-reaching powers for police.
- "...leading to arrests of any individuals the police thought to be separatists, and to their detentions without bail."

Yeah, you get the point.

Oh I forgot to mention, military was dispatched too. No people died - but the violence was hardly a match for Tibetan rioters.

 

[labor]

The October Crisis was a series of dramatic events triggered by two terrorist kidnappings of government officials by members of the Front de libération du Québec in the province of Quebec, Canada, in October 1970,

No people died - but the violence was hardly a match for Tibetan rioters.

你能告诉大家一下，什么样的kidnappings 吗?

 

[lindamy]

镇压? 死了几个人？

夜色已经给你解释了1970年总理对魁独采取的措施。

下面是1995年土著居民在安省占据公园，并没有明显的暴乱行为，警察派出了CMU,which is a Canadian term for a SWAT team.，射杀一人Dudley George。还拍出了电影：One Dead Indian

Ipperwash Crisis - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

On Wednesday, the OPP became concerned about a group of Native occupiers who had wandered outside of the Park and into the Sandy Park lot area adjacent to the cottages. The group was carrying bats and sticks in their hands. There is some debate as to the number of the group, though police reports indicate a group of up to 8. There was also misinformation about damage that had been done to a Band Councillor's car by this group of occupiers. The damage to the Councillor's car was by a rock thrown by one of the occupiers who took exception to an article the Councillor had written disapproving of the occupation. Police involved started a rumour that the occupiers smashed up the vehicle of a female driver with baseball bats, a report that was later found to be false and misleading by Justice Sidney Linden [7].

Out of public safety concerns, the OPP decided to deploy the Crowd Management Unit (CMU) to force the Native occupiers back into the Park. The CMU was essentially a riot squad armed with steel batons, shields and helmets. The CMU was backed up by a Tactical Response Unit, which is a Canadian term for a SWAT team. The plan was that this show of force would convince the Native occupiers to return inside the Park.

 

[labor]

夜色已经给你解释了1970年总理对魁独采取的措施。

下面是1995年土著居民在安省占据公园，并没有明显的暴乱行为，警察派出了CMU,which is a Canadian term for a SWAT team.，射杀一人Dudley George。还拍出了电影：One Dead Indian

警察和军队是两回事。

你例举加拿大警察的时候，不妨也google中国警察是怎么开枪的新闻吧

 

[labor]

因为只有中共干掉了奴隶主，废除了千年的奴隶制。

别拿农奴制说事了.

按照中共的说法。中国之所以不能搞民主制度，是因为民主制度不适用于中国，同样道理，当年的西藏农奴主也可以说，只有农奴制才能救西藏。

 

[cu100]

你是白痴啊！ 知不知道美国TMD有反华势力在挑拨啊 知不知道西藏是中国的领土啊 知不知道西藏在中国人的领导下才会越来越好