[大选感想]：HARPER重提取消对政党的经费补贴

[ccc]

I agree with your opinion "人们支持继续补贴，可能是出于“公平”。因为PC是想从经济上卡死其他的政党", but I also believe this is an excellent example of "Tax dollars well spent".

为什么是"Tax dollars well spent"，不大明白。

过去百年有余没有给个政党补贴，不是也都选举了么？

 

[cfz]

To be honest with you, I don't have a comprehensive answer to your question. What I thought is that these tax dollars help sustain a democratic society, which is a basis of our country. Compared with countless examples of tax dollars wasted, this is an example of tax dollar well spent.

为什么是"Tax dollars well spent"，不大明白。

过去百年有余没有给个政党补贴，不是也都选举了么？

 

[ccc]

To be honest with you, I don't have a comprehensive answer to your question. What I thought is that these tax dollars help sustain a democratic society, which is a basis of our country. Compared with countless examples of tax dollars wasted, this is an example of tax dollar well spent.

遗憾。感觉你这个说法站不住脚。

 

[cfz]

Very well said. I wish I could write something like this in my last paragraph of my original post. I enjoyed your discussion with West Life.

初步的感觉，是不应该取消对政党的经费补贴。

一个社会里面有各个不同的利益集团。如果政府放任不管，那么有钱人的集团一定在各种竞争中居优势地位，穷人在各方面都处弱势。所以，政府介入各个利益集团之间的一个目标，就是保护竞争中居弱势的集团，努力(不可能完全)使弱势集团有能力和富豪集团竞争。政党经费补贴的宗旨，就是让代表各个利益集团的政党都有基本的运作经费，是这种保护弱势集团的一个必要政府干预。

中国共产党经常拿西方的竞选都是有钱人支持、为有钱人说话，来否定竞选的意义。如果加拿大政府真的完全取消了政党经费补贴，正是向有钱人政府的方向靠近了一大步，落实了中国共产党的指责，更是促使社会不公平的扩大。

 

[wiiwii]

The in-and-out scandal involved PC local candidates and PC election headquarter. Local candidates did what people in PC election headquarter asked them to do. I believe the local candidates are innocent. The Election Canada's charges were laid against people in PC election headquarter.

Although they are all PC people, but PC local candidates vs. PC election headquarter.

OK, EC CHARGED 4 PPL,RIGHT?
and 2 of that 4 already sued EC and won ,RIGHT?
so from what you said I got confused. if your logic is right,why EC still charge that 2 ppl?

 

[老闹子]

Very well said. I wish I could write something like this in my last paragraph of my original post. I enjoyed your discussion with West Life.

哈哈，我正想写给你，请你多讲讲。看到你的前面几个回贴之后，就去追踪看了你的其他贴子。你说过要把自己以前为什么投PC，这次为什么投LIB写出来的。写了吗？等着看。

 

[老闹子]

To be honest with you, I don't have a comprehensive answer to your question. What I thought is that these tax dollars help sustain a democratic society, which is a basis of our country. Compared with countless examples of tax dollars wasted, this is an example of tax dollar well spent.

赞同。

 

[cfz]

No, the 2 who won the case are not among the 4. The 2 are local, and the 4 are headquarter.

OK, EC CHARGED 4 PPL,RIGHT?
and 2 of that 4 already sued EC and won ,RIGHT?
so from what you said I got confused. if your logic is right,why EC still charge that 2 ppl?

 

[cfz]

Is "help sustain a democratic society" not good enough to justify spending these tax dollars? Unless the election rules are changed, I can't imagine how a party other than PC can win an election if the subsidy is canceled. Can you dig out when the $2/vote was introduced and why? Maybe these information can help us understand the matter better. Please ignore my request if you are not interested.

遗憾。感觉你这个说法站不住脚。

 

[cfz]

谢谢。还没写。争取在大选前俩周写出来。

哈哈，我正想写给你，请你多讲讲。看到你的前面几个回贴之后，就去追踪看了你的其他贴子。你说过要把自己以前为什么投PC，这次为什么投LIB写出来的。写了吗？等着看。

 

[老闹子]

谢谢。还没写。争取在大选前俩周写出来。

原来是最关键的时机还没有到。好吧，我们等着。

我至今还没有定见要投哪个党。目前比较感情用事，走极端，只关注医疗改革问题。好像只有NDP对我关注的问题有点兴趣。

 

[wiiwii]

No, the 2 who won the case are not among the 4. The 2 are local, and the 4 are headquarter.

这个,如果是有问题,那所有INVOLVED在那个事件里的人都应该有问题吧?
我是这样理解的

 

[gocanoeing]

加拿大联邦预算每年大约是3000亿加元，该怎么花由联邦议会决定，联邦预算案里面加一行减一行就会影响十亿八亿是很常见的。同时每年联邦对政党的补助金大约是3000万。

假如你每年有3000亿交给一个基金投资，请问你是愿意自己付该基金管理层的工资福利，还是愿意由他们向其他人要求捐款来负担他们的工资福利？

如果这3000亿是我的话，我绝对不会允许替我投资这3000亿的人从其他人那里拿钱，因为他们每得到一元，我的投资说不定就得损失十元百元。

 

[cfz]

看了你关于医疗的贴子。基本上赞同你对现行医疗状况的看法。看一看你的选区情况吧。如果其中一名候选人肯定当选，你那一票也就不那么重要了。但可以为你投一票的那个党挣得＄２。OTTAWA地区有俩个RIDING值得关注：OTTAWA－WEST－NEPEAN 和OTTAWA-ORLEANS。

原来是最关键的时机还没有到。好吧，我们等着。

我至今还没有定见要投哪个党。目前比较感情用事，走极端，只关注医疗改革问题。好像只有NDP对我关注的问题有点兴趣。

 

[cfz]

I guess Election Canada decided that PC headquarter people were most likely got convicted, but there will be a long batter, because this is against PC. The local candidates sued Election Canada is one of the PC's strategies.

这个,如果是有问题,那所有INVOLVED在那个事件里的人都应该有问题吧?
我是这样理解的