算个屁事儿啊。而且是当市长之前的事情。
TORONTO — Toronto Mayor Rob Ford repeatedly denied doing anything wrong as he faced an Ontario judge Wednesday to defend himself against a conflict of interest allegation that could see him kicked out of office.
Ford is alleged to have been in a conflict of interest for giving a speech and participating in a council vote to strike a recommendation that he repay donations he solicited using official city letterhead for his private football foundation.
"I believe in my mind, in a conflict of interest, the city benefits and the councillor benefits," Ford told Justice Charles Hackland in a packed Toronto courtroom.
"It takes two parties to have a conflict. In this case, there was only one party. The city did not benefit."
Ford admitted that in 2010, he had his staff help him stuff envelopes and address them to 11 potential donors but said he paid for the stamps and envelopes out of his own personal account.
The mayor said that, at the time, he was a city councillor and didn't think he violated any rules when he used his office resources to solicit the donations.
"I believe I didn't do anything wrong," said Ford.
The city's integrity commissioner, Janet Leiper, had found Ford's actions violated the conduct code for councillors.
Some of the $3,150 received was from lobbyists who often did business with the city and the commissioner recommended Ford pay back the funds.
Council adopted the commissioner's findings and sanction in a resolution Ford voted against — but he never made the repayments, despite several reminders from the commissioner.
In February, council took up the matter again at Leiper's request, and councillors — including the mayor himself — decided Ford did not have to repay the donations.
Prior to the council decision, Ford gave a passionate speech about his charity, which buys football equipment for at-risk high school students in Toronto.
That meeting was "confusing," Ford told court, adding that the city solicitor or the city clerk usually would point out when a motion was a conflict of interest for a councillor.
This was not done at the meeting, said Ford, who told court he hadn't read the councillor handbook that outlines conflict of interest rules he is accused of breaking.
Ford said he didn't remember getting a copy of the handbook, and did not attend an orientation session for new councillors when he was first elected.
Ford testified that he sent letters to the 11 donors offering to pay the money back. Some had refused the reimbursement, while others did not respond, he said.
"Why would I have to pay it out personally?" he asked. "I didn't touch the money. I never touched the money."
Paul Magder, a Toronto resident, launched the lawsuit last March alleging Ford violated the Municipal Conflict of Interest Act by participating in the council decision.
If found guilty of violating the act, Ford could be ousted from office and barred from running for city council for seven years.
However, there's a chance Ford could hold on to his seat even if found to be at fault, provided the judge finds that Ford made a mistake or experienced a lapse in judgment.
Lawyer Clayton Ruby, whose client filed the lawsuit, told the court that Ford's actions were not made "honestly and (in) good faith."
"The issue is the integrity of what Rob Ford did," said Ruby.
The case is not about the merit of the football charity or the good it has done for at-risk children, but whether this was one of Ford's many "acts of persistence and ultimately successful defiance," Ruby said.
Ford's lawyer, Alan Lenczner, argued that the case is about a single issue and not an "inquiry" into Ford's political career.
Lenczner told the court that the integrity commissioner's original sanction is void because ordering Ford to repay the donations was out of her jurisdiction.
Trevor Farrow, a legal ethics expert at York University's Osgoode Hall Law School in Toronto, said the conflict-of-interest rules were designed to allow for human mistakes while "setting a fairly high standard to protect an important institution, which is our municipal government structure."
"It'll be key what evidence is given at that hearing in terms of what the mayor knew or should have known, in terms of this notion of inadvertence, ignorance or an error in judgment," he said.
When someone is found to have knowingly breached the spirit and letter of the rules, "the act does not give a lot of discretion to the court in terms of remedies," Farrow said.
"Will (Ford) lose his seat? I really don't know ... Is it a possibility? Yes, it's a possibility," he said.
The hearing was expected to last three days.