Doctors rally outside Queen's Park

[ottawa_it_blue_collar]

嗯，拔个牙890加币，上海300rmb搞定。
羊毛出在羊身上。

买保险保险公司付钱，交税政府付钱，一样付钱，服务效果不一样。

 

[mimi_ge]

买保险保险公司付钱，交税政府付钱，一样付钱，服务效果不一样。

保费是从你工资里边扣的。
牙医是这里最被人诟病的行业之一。

 

[YINGWA]

喔，是政府控制医生名额啊，r u sure？

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/11/ontario-created-its-doctor-shortage
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The decision of Premier Kathleen Wynne’s Liberal government to cut 50 medical residency positions in Ontario over two years is being done for one reason only.

That is to save money by cutting the number of doctors in a province that desperately needs them, given that 800,000 Ontarians don’t have a family doctor and we have the fewest doctors per capita of any Canadian province, tied with Saskatchewan for last place.
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Without RESIDENCY, no medical graduates can get a license to practice in Ontario. They can get residency in US, and hospital there is more than happy to hire the. (FREE to US).
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In any project, money management is important! Money management is closely related to number of employees...
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Any licensed doctors can BILL Ontario government, the larger the number, the more the money being billed. In order to save money, any company will first LAY off employees, to balance the book.

 

[金陵]

名额并不是真正的问题，只是借口罢了。总医疗经费就这么多，政府为什么care名额? 名额增加则每个名额的收入就减少。新移民医生增加则老医生收入减少. 行业保护才是关键。这和注册专业工程师是一个路数。

不是注册专业工程师，也一样可以找到很好的工作，高科技并没有缺工程师缺那么厉害。没有行医执照的“医生”不能看病人，等候就诊的时间已经很长了，已经让人无法忍受了。要是政府愿意放开名额，医生没有办法阻止的，只是这样医生多了，看的病人就多，给政府的账单就大了。政府无法控制医疗费用啊.........现在政府缺钱，想控制医疗费用，所以才一方面控制医生总数，一方面想降低付给每个医生的费用。两手一起抓，这才是问题啊！

 

[mimi_ge]

http://www.torontosun.com/2015/08/11/ontario-created-its-doctor-shortage
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The decision of Premier Kathleen Wynne’s Liberal government to cut 50 medical residency positions in Ontario over two years is being done for one reason only.

That is to save money by cutting the number of doctors in a province that desperately needs them, given that 800,000 Ontarians don’t have a family doctor and we have the fewest doctors per capita of any Canadian province, tied with Saskatchewan for last place.
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Without RESIDENCY, no medical graduates can get a license to practice in Ontario. They can get residency in US, and hospital there is more than happy to hire the. (FREE to US).
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In any project, money management is important! Money management is closely related to number of employees...
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Any licensed doctors can BILL Ontario government, the larger the number, the more the money being billed. In order to save money, any company will first LAY off employees, to balance the book.

医学院是限制人数的，那跟政府有毛关系啊。
降低门槛，啥都解决了。

 

[YINGWA]

买保险保险公司付钱，交税政府付钱，一样付钱，服务效果不一样。

How Paul Martin balanced the budget:
Paul Martin and the 40 Per Cent Solution
https://www.cautbulletin.ca/en_article.asp?ArticleID=2656
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Last year Finance Minister Paul Martin announced a dramatic cut of $3.5 billion (cash) in the CHST for 1996/97, and in the 1996 budget added another $2.5 billion (cash) in cuts for 1997-1998, followed by cuts of almost $700 million in both 1998-99 and 1999-2000.

The CHST total entitlements will increase slightly after the year 2000. The total cuts since the Liberals came to power will be $7.6 billion in cash or a decline of 40.7 per cent to the year 1999-2000.
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Both Federal and Provincial can BALANCE the budget when election is coming. CUT health care.

 

[ottawa_it_blue_collar]

保费是从你工资里边扣的。
牙医是这里最被人诟病的行业之一。

没错，是自己买保险加公司补贴。
在加拿大被照顾得最好的地方就是牙齿和眼睛。

 

[金陵]

医学院是限制人数的，那跟政府有毛关系啊。
降低门槛，啥都解决了。

政府规定每年医学院可以招多少人，医学院根据这个人数和考生数量，决定门槛高低。

 

[mimi_ge]

没错，是自己买保险加公司补贴。
在加拿大被照顾得最好的地方就是牙齿和眼睛。

ohip很好的，没住过院吧。
老人65岁以上，odb cover大部分药费。
还有nursing home

 

[金陵]

如果医疗是双规制，有公费有自费，那么就不会那么缺医生了。最多自费的医生多一些，政府不会管的。现在全部是公费医疗，各级政府穷疯了，才会克扣医疗费用，规定医生名额。

 

[YINGWA]

医学院是限制人数的，那跟政府有毛关系啊。
降低门槛，啥都解决了。

Why Is Canada Shutting Out Doctors?
http://www.readersdigest.ca/health/healthy-living/why-canada-shutting-out-doctors/
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Canada’s doctor shortage is partly rooted in a 1991 report commissioned by the provincial deputy ministers of health. In that document, Morris Barer and Greg Stoddart, two health economists, predicted that Canada was facing a physician surplus. In response, provincial governments, scrambling to save money, cut first-year enrollment to Canadian medical schools by about ten percent. Dr. Andrew Cave, an associate professor in the Department of Family Medicine at the University of Alberta in Edmonton, says, “Despite the predictions of the gurus ten years ago, in fact, we need more doctors.”
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A major problem is the shortage of residency openings.
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[ottawa_it_blue_collar]

ohip很好的，没住过院吧。
老人65岁以上，odb cover大部分药费。
还有nursing home

没住过院。听朋友说过，四人一房间，他住的房间有个癌症病人，整夜哭爹喊娘，他根本没办法休息。要求换房间，没门。熬了两天，赶紧出院回家。

 

[mimi_ge]

没住过院。听朋友说过，四人一房间，他住的房间有个癌症病人，整夜哭爹喊娘，他根本没办法休息。要求换房间，没门。熬了两天，赶紧出院回家。

好吧，蓝领哥，我服你了，Ohip一炮无

 

[金陵]

ohip很好的，没住过院吧。
老人65岁以上，odb cover大部分药费。
还有nursing home

这里的医院不让多住的，能让你回家就回家。以前朋友的父亲（七十岁）做心脏换瓣膜手术，这比心脏搭桥手术要大很多，在国内怎么都会住十天半个月医院，在这里的Civic Hospital住四天就打发回家了。

 

[金陵]

所有问题的根本就是公费医疗。解决问题还是的从这方面考虑。开放私人医疗服务。

唉，加拿大只要任何一个党提出双轨制医疗服务，等于政治自杀，比反对穆斯林还严重。