uglyducking和没有网名,关于tiling in basement

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我简单的研究了一下,你们的说法基本是正确的,tiling in basement without subfloor是一个普遍但是偷懒的法,主要原因就是安装相对于我要列出的另外两种容易太多了。但是还是要谢谢你们指出这个,lesson learned。

直接铺必须要保证两点:
1.floor slab必须要平,否则要用水泥找平
2.floor slab必须要绝对干净,否则结合有问题

当然这样做的缺点是地板会很凉,不穿鞋感觉不好。而且由于没有membrane层或mud bed, 如那个照片里所观察到的,tiles随slab变化容易碎。

如果要用subfloor,具体过程如下,
1.1x4 or 2x4 as sleepers,这个能保证subfloor基本水平,如果slab极端不平,用很薄的砂浆找平然后铺sleepers
2.两层plywood交错铺在sleepers上,这样保证subfloor不变形。一般subfloor就用一层,估计这就是没有网名说good luck的原因
3.thinset layer
4.tiling用防水层
5.thinset and tiles

最后这个做法diy难度大:
1.铺mud bed with mesh and Radiant Heat (optional),找平是关键。这个过程有点像小孩玩沙子,但是费时费力,完全要跪着。
2.thinset and tiles

最后我个人认为,选哪个做法取决于个人预算和要求。我个人还是倾向于第二种,不过我在未来相当长时间没有这个需要。
 
至少5”: 2x4 (3.5") + 1 1/4 wood (minimal wood for 16"OC) ~= 5"(当然你将2x4铺密一点,OSB少一点也行)
"good luck" 是针对你说的用1“绝缘板来说的:如果你直接在绝缘板上铺OSB,这样绝对保证不了铺瓷砖需要的刚度。

Yes, the mud bed with heating elements would be the best solution.
大家有CFC这个平台相互交流还是蛮不错的。 :):)
 
2x4 can translate to 1.5 inch instead of 3.5 inch
sure, if you really want this way. But if I already doing the the sub floor, I will try to avoid laying it flat, I don't have the luck with the concrete floor. :D
 
至少5”: 2x4 (3.5") + 1 1/4 wood (minimal wood for 16"OC) ~= 5"(当然你将2x4铺密一点,OSB少一点也行)

"good luck" 是针对你说的用1“绝缘板来说的:如果你直接在绝缘板上铺OSB,这样绝对保证不了铺瓷砖需要的刚度。



Yes, the mud bed with heating elements would be the best solution.

大家有CFC这个平台相互交流还是蛮不错的。 :):)



A professional has mentioned the same thing that "如果你直接在绝缘板上铺OSB,这样绝对保证不了铺瓷砖需要的刚度". So he mentioned that there must be two layers with different types of plywood and lay down cross. I guess crossing means 胶合板走向交叉,这样保证刚性。He also pointed out that the top layer (the second layer) of plywood has to be screwed to the bottom one but not on the sleepers.
 
sure, if you really want this way. But if I already doing the the sub floor, I will try to avoid laying it flat, I don't have the luck with the concrete floor. :D



Any reason why we shouldn't lay them flat? I even saw people used 1x4 flat as sleepers for hardwood or carpet but not for tiling floor.
 
Any reason why we shouldn't lay them flat? I even saw people used 1x4 flat as sleepers for hardwood or carpet but not for tiling floor.
Because the concrete floor won't be flat.
1.5" won't give the support you need for tiles, and you may not even get a flat subfloor. With it side way, you will have 3.5" instead of 1.5", it is much stronger.
If you can get (almost) flat support underneath, than maybe it is OK.

When the subfloor is flexible, the hardwood or carpet won't break, but the tile will.
 
我还是认为Platon+OSB做subfloor简单,solid, 不lost celing高度,不增加too much cost.

http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum43/thread923531-5.html

I'm not sure if your way of making subfloor is suitable for tiles specially in the bathroom. Laminate floor is floating floor so the subfloor doesn't need to be bound to the slab firmly. Also the slab doesn't need to be perfect level.
 
I'm not sure if your way of making subfloor is suitable for tiles specially in the bathroom. Laminate floor is floating floor so the subfloor doesn't need to be bound to the slab firmly. Also the slab doesn't need to be perfect level.

绝对没有问题, 有4’X 8' T&G OSB 铺在上面,要让它不平也难。

另外一个优点是可以让bathroom tile 和 laminate floor 在一个平面上。
 
I'm not sure if your way of making subfloor is suitable for tiles specially in the bathroom. Laminate floor is floating floor so the subfloor doesn't need to be bound to the slab firmly. Also the slab doesn't need to be perfect level.

这个不是我的发明,越来越多的人用这种方法。
 
抓住你问一下,看你的帖你好像是先铺Platon+OSB,再framing。

那你的fram是做在OSM上的吗?

谢谢。

看的还真仔细。

是的,先铺subfloor, 这样platon membrane是整张的,防湿保暖效果好,也容易做subfloor (不需要割太多),以后fram 也容易,直接做在OSB subfloor上,用少许的钉子穿过OSB固定到水泥地上,大多只需要用螺丝固定到OSB上就可以了。
 
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