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http://www.ottawacitizen.com/business/City+Plasco+sign+waste+energy+deal/7705248/story.html





Rod Bryden, president and CEO of Plasco Energy Group.

Photograph by: Pat McGrath , Ottawa Citizen




OTTAWA — The city has signed a 20-year, $180-million contract with Rod Bryden’s Plasco Energy Group, which will turn the region’s household waste into energy.

City hall announced the deal Saturday, after meetings Friday to finalize the agreement broke down.

Reasons for the breakdown in talks weren’t given, but Councillor Maria McRae, chair of the city’s environment committee, said in the release Saturday that “the city took rigorous steps to protect the interest of taxpayers when negotiating this contract.”

According to the deal, Plasco will process 109,500 tonnes of city waste annually. The 20-year contract has four five-year extensions, at the option of the city.

“The finalization of the commercial agreement represents an important milestone in the city’s ongoing partnership with Plasco Energy Group Inc.,” city manager Kent Kirkpatrick is quoted as saying in the news release.

The plan had originally been to sign the agreement Friday night, when Plasco’s Bryden got as far as city manager Kirkpatrick’s office for a final reading of the contract.

The meeting was on the anniversary of city council’s vote approving the contract’s general terms, a decision it made under pressure because Bryden wanted a signed contract to take to the investors he wants to finance the new plant. Both Bryden and city politicians had promised repeatedly throughout 2012 that the signed contract was just around the corner.

What kept the contract from being signed Friday wasn’t made public.

The city is to pay the Ottawa company $83.25 for every tonne of garbage it runs through its “plasma gasification” process. It’s supposed to take virtually any trash that comes off the back of a garbage truck and convert it at high temperatures into a gas that can be burned for electricity and a small quantity of that glassy slag that has uses similar to those of gravel.

There is still skepticism about Plasco’s technology, which is being tested at an experimental facility near the existing city dump. So the contract is to include numerous elements meant to protect the city if Plasco’s process can’t be made to work on an industrial scale, and to reward Plasco if it does.

For one thing, under the terms council approved, the city only pays Plasco for garbage it actually processes.

In recognition that the city is taking a chance on the company, it’s entitled to a small share of the revenues if Plasco goes on to build working plants elsewhere. And the city is also to be Plasco’s landlord on property close to the Trail Road municipal landfill.

The price is about double the city’s costs for just dumping garbage at the landfill, but the hope is that a working Plasco plant will postpone by decades the need to find a new landfill when the existing one fills up. That could, in the city’s own rough estimate, cost as much as $250 million before a new dump takes a single new load of trash. If Plasco’s process works, it would be utterly revolutionary in the world of garbage disposal.

Plasco expects to make money at both ends, accepting payment from the city for disposing of garbage and from the provincial government for selling electricity to the provincial power grid.


With files from David Reevely




Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/technology/City+Plasco+sign+waste+energy+deal/7705248/story.html#ixzz2FVu9IvwN
 
快速阅读了一下,为了节省大家时间,简言之:

The city has signed a 20-year, $180-million contract with Rod Bryden’s Plasco Energy Group, which will turn the region’s household waste into energy.

According to the deal, Plasco will process 109,500 tonnes of city waste annually. The 20-year contract has four five-year extensions, at the option of the city.

The price is about double the city's costs for just dumping garbage at the landfill, but the hope is that a working Plasco plant will postpone by decades the need to find a new landfill when the existing one fills up. That could, in the city’s own rough estimate, cost as much as $250 million before a new dump takes a single new load of trash.

If Plasco’s process works, it would be utterly revolutionary in the world of garbage disposal.
 
谢谢资爱总结。

为了环保事业,我们就牺牲一下吧,不管是主动牺牲还是被牺牲。
 
Holly cow, what a year-end frenzy!

I heard about the Friday breakdown on the news, but didn't expect they resumed talk so quickly, and the contract now signed!

Absolutely no criticism if the concept would actually work and become the ultimate solution for saving the environment; I would be a genuine advocate for something like this.

For now, I remain skeptical of it. Make it clear, I am not an expert in renewable energy, and have done little study on the Plasco solution except for the assessment report per your assignment last time. That report, IMHO, was a technical assessment that failed to address a critical issue - scalability. It is one thing that a solution can work in the lab or in prototype mode, but completely another when it's at a much larger industrial scale. For this reason, I didn't believe the assessment report was of much value in evaluating the feasibility of an actual implementation. I am not sure if a more comprehensive feasibility study was ever conducted by the city or any independent third party. If there's none, it's really worrisome.

As a taxpayer, we don't know the details of the signed contract and what kind of obligations the City commits itself to. If the cost is purely incremental based on the actual amount of garbage processed without any other strings attached, and if there is a penalty clause on the minimum amount that Plasco has to meet, then the financial risk to the City appears to be manageable.

If this thing works, does it mean we can get rid of the green bin? Hurray!
 
仰慕一下URL的英文先:cool: 随手一写,就是这么地道流畅都不象是咱们中国人写的E文了都:blowzy::D

兼答一下王杰同学,这个Contract首先不是为了环保:blowzy::(

URL同学,看那篇报道的意思,这个Contract主要不是为了王杰讲的环保也不是你关心的renewable energy,而是:a working Plasco plant will postpone by decades the need to find a new landfill when the existing one fills up
哈哈,就是讲咱们现在的landfill要满了,找不到新地方dumping garbage了,用这个延缓一下。。。

URL同学,City很清楚这个Cost是双倍的dumping garbage at the landfill, 但是,这个给人类一个希望,那就是If Plasco’s process works, it would be utterly revolutionary in the world of garbage disposal.
 
楼上两位说得都非常好。作为市民, 我们继续关注项目进展就好了

资爱以前表示过, 在某一个创新项目上我们可能失败, 也可能让别人得利。然而从人类发展的历史来说, 这种失败会为别的研发提供避免失败的价值。至于合同中说如果项目成功市府可以在该公司其他北美项目分利, 想都不用想了, too good to be true。

当然我们总是需要象小篆这样犀利的批评者, 也总是需要象URL这样能够从社会法律人文商业环境角度全面考虑问题的思考者。
 
爱博士,忒抬举我了,垃圾处理我没啥研究,论技术知识,你该找三句半来点评,论背后错综复杂的八卦,你该找咪咪哥来讲。
不过既然你点我名了,不表个态不好。
这么说吧:
具体怎么扔垃圾的事儿,俺听法规的,法律怎么规定,俺就怎么办。
讨论这垃圾规定的走向是否合理,俺听大家的,凡是讲得有理的俺都听,管他是保守党还是自由党还是CFC党的,总之就是拒绝和甘愿被二次洗脑的一起堕落。:p:D
 
不会是烧垃圾发电吧?
 
当然我们总是需要象小篆这样犀利的批评者, 也总是需要象URL这样能够从社会法律人文商业环境角度全面考虑问题的思考者。

也别漏了科学家啊。:)
 
仰慕一下URL的英文先:cool: 随手一写,就是这么地道流畅都不象是咱们中国人写的E文了都:blowzy::D



兼答一下王杰同学,这个Contract首先不是为了环保:blowzy::(



URL同学,看那篇报道的意思,这个Contract主要不是为了王杰讲的环保也不是你关心的renewable energy,而是:a working Plasco plant will postpone by decades the need to find a new landfill when the existing one fills up

哈哈,就是讲咱们现在的landfill要满了,找不到新地方dumping garbage了,用这个延缓一下。。。



URL同学,City很清楚这个Cost是双倍的dumping garbage at the landfill, 但是,这个给人类一个希望,那就是If Plasco’s process works, it would be utterly revolutionary in the world of garbage disposal.



老哥,你大概不看英语新闻的。ottawa的landfill满了?give me a break。环境部刚批了一个,就在carp原来那个旁边。又是20年。这么地广人稀的地方,弄个dump太简单了。

那个plasco就是个p,理论一套一套的,实际一炮无,就是因为他们夸下海口,市府才推行green bin 作为过渡。现在在给他20年时间,看他搞得出花头。:D

又要建新的landfill,又要人用green bin,不神经病吗。人口有没有增长,不是吃饱了撑的是啥。:D

还给人类希望呢?这破地方有高科技吗?做个公交卡都要delay1年。笑的肚子痛。:D
 
老哥,你大概不看英语新闻的。ottawa的landfill满了?give me a break。环境部刚批了一个,就在carp原来那个旁边。又是20年。这么地广人稀的地方,弄个dump太简单了。

那个plasco就是个p,理论一套一套的,实际一炮无,就是因为他们夸下海口,市府才推行green bin 作为过渡。现在在给他20年时间,看他搞得出花头。:D

又要建新的landfill,又要人用green bin,不神经病吗。人口有没有增长,不是吃饱了撑的是啥。:D

还给人类希望呢?这破地方有高科技吗?做个公交卡都要delay1年。笑的肚子痛。:D

咪咪哥,你怎么老跟你九叔闹啊?:D 你去老何的百科看看俺当年给他的题词。。。别人是认钱不认人,丫就是认人不认理,你看俺跟他生过气么?;)
 
老哥,你大概不看英语新闻的。ottawa的landfill满了?give me a break。环境部刚批了一个,就在carp原来那个旁边。又是20年。这么地广人稀的地方,弄个dump太简单了。



那个plasco就是个p,理论一套一套的,实际一炮无,就是因为他们夸下海口,市府才推行green bin 作为过渡。现在在给他20年时间,看他搞得出花头。:D



又要建新的landfill,又要人用green bin,不神经病吗。人口有没有增长,不是吃饱了撑的是啥。:D



还给人类希望呢?这破地方有高科技吗?做个公交卡都要delay1年。笑的肚子痛。:D



咪哥,不要认死理啊。



俺也那么想,landfill满了,就把上面中上草,改成什么球场。然后再找一块地方当landfill,ottawa周围荒地海了去了。怎么着都是赚钱,至少不赔钱。就当为环保做贡献了,要是备不住成了一条产业,就赚了。



那个presto就别提了,又推迟了。http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/ottawa/Transpo+Presto+smart+cards+delayed+again/7589086/story.html
 
老哥,你大概不看英语新闻的。ottawa的landfill满了?give me a break。环境部刚批了一个,就在carp原来那个旁边。又是20年。这么地广人稀的地方,弄个dump太简单了。

那个plasco就是个p,理论一套一套的,实际一炮无,就是因为他们夸下海口,市府才推行green bin 作为过渡。现在在给他20年时间,看他搞得出花头。:D

又要建新的landfill,又要人用green bin,不神经病吗。人口有没有增长,不是吃饱了撑的是啥。:D

还给人类希望呢?这破地方有高科技吗?做个公交卡都要delay1年。笑的肚子痛。:D

支持一下米歌。

这个Plasco Energy Group的声誉不是很好。公司有超好的销售人才,但公司CEO是个dick.

Green Bin的事就不说了。前两年他们生产医用放射材料的反应堆有问题,导致全世界医院放射科缺货。(他们还想违背物理规律搞个什么东西,结果遭美国同行嘲笑)。他们这个垃圾处理技术还在实验室阶段,能否最终大规模应用成功还有很多不确定性,他们应该找的是烧钱的风投,而不是花纳税人钱的市府。另外据说与他们合作过的公司几乎无一例外都被坑过。

他们还是一个非常贪婪的公司,连记者都看出来了。八字没一撇,不是发展和完善技术,然后做大,卖技术和设备到其他城市或国家赚大钱,而是吃一个算一个,先把乳娘给吃了。Plasco expects to make money at both ends, accepting payment from the city for disposing of garbage and from the provincial government for selling electricity to the provincial power grid.
 
支持一下米歌。

这个Plasco Energy Group的声誉不是很好。公司有超好的销售人才,但公司CEO是个dick.

Green Bin的事就不说了。前两年他们生产医用放射材料的反应堆有问题,导致全世界医院放射科缺货。(他们还想违背物理规律搞个什么东西,结果遭美国同行嘲笑)。他们这个垃圾处理技术还在实验室阶段,能否最终大规模应用成功还有很多不确定性,他们应该找的是烧钱的风投,而不是花纳税人钱的市府。另外据说与他们合作过的公司几乎无一例外都被坑过。

他们还是一个非常贪婪的公司,连记者都看出来了。八字没一撇,不是发展和完善技术,然后做大,卖技术和设备到其他城市或国家赚大钱,而是吃一个算一个,先把乳娘给吃了。Plasco expects to make money at both ends, accepting payment from the city for disposing of garbage and from the provincial government for selling electricity to the provincial power grid.

你没弄混吧?

ROD BRYDEN跟生产MEDICAL ISOTOPES的MDS NORDION没啥关系吧?他自己原先的公司是做BLOOD PUMP的。。还有很成功的system house


我觉得他很伟大。。...excellent deal maker + marketing promoter...是一个真正的新技术的推手...
 
咪哥,不要认死理啊。







俺也那么想,landfill满了,就把上面中上草,改成什么球场。然后再找一块地方当landfill,ottawa周围荒地海了去了。怎么着都是赚钱,至少不赔钱。就当为环保做贡献了,要是备不住成了一条产业,就赚了。







那个presto就别提了,又推迟了。http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/ottawa/Transpo+Presto+smart+cards+delayed+again/7589086/story.html

那我讲个故事给你听。

你说的同waste management的高管说的一样,满了,就再造一个。原来那个上面种草坪,打高尔夫。

你还别说,据我来自硅谷的朋友说,wm在那边的一个已经废弃的landfill上已经建成高尔夫了。新来的根本不知道下边就是landfill。

现在知道了吧,为啥wm会得到环境部的支持,不只是钱,确实人家计划很实在。

就算现在的新的landfil,也是严格按照指标建的。

再讲个故事给你听,据我一个老外球友说,25年前,landfill就是march ,eagleson这块,具体哪一个我就不说了,省的让人不舒服。:D

所以说北京上海的landfill有可能满,ottawa绝对不可能。地方太大了。
 
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