<HTML>bear hand is what i want, fish is also what i want, if i can get both of them, why not?

brother riven, your idea is great. if we have a place for ourselves, i can even spread words to toronto and get people from there to join so that this website will become even more influencial. one thing: i don't like talking about stocks. i have learned too much about finance and economics to believe in stocks. there is a book called "irrational exuberance" by robert shiller. i recommend people who still believe in stocks to read it. to me, finance is not about gambling. nobody would listen to me 2 years ago, but i guess many will endorse my view now.
my backgraoud: ph.d. in economics, working at a bank as an economist, 10% of my time reading "xian2 shu1" (cite muranan), 90% time working on risk management and banking.
so we have the guest, the flying angel and shrek on the list now, anybody else? by the way, flying angel, your background seems interesting. i am sure we have a lot to talk about.</HTML>