想另开一楼,讨论一下,最强大脑的 识别指纹 是否造假

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那个指纹的我觉得漏洞不明显呀。
指纹识别,计算机已经实现,
90年代国内,公司就和高校在开发。
总结了很多指纹局部特征。对指纹特征编码,然后和名字一起记。外人看来凌乱的指纹,转换成特征码就好记了。
如果发现有编码相似的,再单独对比,区分,他有1个多小时呢。只要记忆力够好就行。

只希望村里进行科普交流,不要人身攻击,把坛子搞得乌烟瘴气的。

作者: 冰封乾坤:
没有看这期,但看那个广东人识别指纹的明显是造假骗人。
 
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这期我看了,也没觉得有明显漏洞。
一般人需要总结规律和特征来记忆,总结的过程就是把图像抽象化文字化的过程,但是的确有一部分人是天生就善于图像记忆的-他们看到一个画面,不必把它“翻译”成文字描述的信息,直接就可以以图像的形式存在大脑里了,这对于习惯抽象化总结的人难以想像,但确实存在。
 
认为他是明显造假的证据是什么?不会象那个二笨一样,他自己看不出两幅魔方图的区别,就认为别人也不可能看得出吧?
 
经过训练的人应该是可以的。有个朋友在公安厅工作,他讲个传奇故事:一个专门鉴定指纹的工作人员看到采集的嫌疑犯指纹马上说我见过这个指纹,然后电脑里调出来正是那个嫌犯。
 
看过一个电视片,有一些人具有惊人的记忆力,记得很多几十年前每一天的细节。
photographic memory
 
认为他是明显造假的证据是什么?不会象那个二笨一样,他自己看不出两幅魔方图的区别,就认为别人也不可能看得出吧?
报告@Riven: 提饭饭搞人神共嫉。:D
 
很有可能是真的,大脑是非常神奇的,前苏联时期,据说,因为我没见过,搞特异功能研究,有一个人有控制别人大脑能力,可以让警卫给他开门,用一张白纸让银行职员看到是付款文件,把钱给他。听着悬吧?可是大脑有脑电波,万一那人脑电波特强,可真是有可能控制别人的啊
 
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天黑了,还有更悬的吗
 
那个指纹的我觉得漏洞不明显呀。
指纹识别,计算机已经实现,
90年代国内,公司就和高校在开发。
总结了很多指纹局部特征。对指纹特征编码,然后和名字一起记。外人看来凌乱的指纹,转换成特征码就好记了。
如果发现有编码相似的,再单独对比,区分,他有1个多小时呢。只要记忆力够好就行。

只希望村里进行科普交流,不要人身攻击,把坛子搞得乌烟瘴气的。

作者: 冰封乾坤:
没有看这期,但看那个广东人识别指纹的明显是造假骗人。
对,一定要保证这里的MP值低于0.05 :D
 
很有可能是真的,大脑是非常神奇的,前苏联时期,据说,因为我没见过,搞特异功能研究,有一个人有控制别人大脑能力,可以让警卫给他开门,用一张白纸让银行职员看到是付款文件,把钱给他。听着悬吧?可是大脑有脑电波,万一那人脑电波特强,可真是有可能控制别人的啊
说特异功能太玄了,博士后们无法接受。但是一般人大脑已开发的部分相对于未开发的部分非常微小,所以潜力巨大,这是科学界的共识。
看过一个研究婴儿认知能力的片子,科学家发现婴儿能够轻松识别出不同的大猩猩的脸,但由于是这项“技能”没有什么用,所以到1岁时很多婴儿的这项技能就消失了,但同时他们识别人脸特别是人的表情的能力会大大提高。。。对于某些个体而言,完全有可能存在因为一些意外而导致未能完全遵循这种一般规律的认知能力发展的道路,这意外可能是器质性的病变,也可能是后天的某些刺激等等,总之后果就是使得这类人与大多数的“常人”相比,在多个范围内的能力发展非常缓慢,而个别范围的认知能力却有超常发展--从这个道理上来讲,雨人的存在是完全有科学依据的。
 
找到了一篇介绍我上面所说的婴儿认知能力研究的文章,有兴趣的可以读一读:
http://news.nationalgeographic.com/news/2005/03/0321_050321_babies_2.html
Babies Recognize Faces Better Than Adults, Study Says

Human babies start out with the ability to recognize a wide range of faces, even among races or species different from their own, according to a new study.

The researchers focused on face processing—the ability to recognize and categorize faces, determine identity and gender, and read emotions. Their findings suggest that, in humans, this skill is a case of "use it or lose it."

In the study six-month-old infants were able to recognize the faces of individuals of a different species—in this case, monkeys. Babies who received visual training retained the ability. But those with no training lost the skill by the time they were nine months old.

Led by Olivier Pascalis, a psychologist at England's University of Sheffield, the team reported their findings this week in the journalProceedings of the National Academy of Sciences.

Training Babies for Face Recognition

To study early infant abilities, Pascalis and his team first tested a group of six-month old infants by showing them a series of pictures of the faces of Barbary macaques. Parents of some of the infants then regularly showed their children photographs of six Barbary macaque faces over a period of three months. The other babies were the control group and were not shown the monkey photos again.

The infants were retested at nine months of age. When babies in the control group were shown paired photos of mankey faces, the babies looked at each picture for the same amount of time. Babies who had been regularly shown monkey pictures by their parents spent more time looking at the pictures of new, unknown monkeys.

"A standard behavioral measure of familiarity with infants in visual processing is a measure of looking time," said Michael J. Wenger, a neuroscientist at Pennsylvania State University, who was not involved in teh study.

"One of the very regular things associated with visual recognition of any kind of object with infants is that they tend to prefer novelty. If you give them a choice between a novel and a familiar stimulus, they will typically always look more at the novel stimulus."

By looking at the novel monkeys longer, the visually trained babies demonstrated the ability to discriminate between the pictures of the monkeys they knew and pictures of monkeys they'd never seen before.

The study suggests that babies are born with a broad idea of what a face is. By the time they're nine months old, though, face processing is based on a much narrower model, one that is based on the faces they see most often.

This more specialized view in turn diminishes our early ability to make distinctions among other species, and possibly other races. For instance, if an infant is exposed to mainly Asian faces, he or she will grow to become less skilled at discerning among different, say, Caucasian faces.

The authors suggest that broad exposure to other races and species in infancy may prevent that loss of ability

Taking it one step further, Pascalis, teh lead study author, noted that even adults who work with primates have trouble recognizing individual animals by their faces.

"Primatologists do recognize monkeys [based] on body posture or spots on fur but can hardly recognize them [based] on faces," he said.

Nature or Nurture?

The question remains: Are our face-processing abilities inborn, learned, or some combination of the two?

"Basically, we have very little knowledge on how an adult brain is made," Pascalis said." We know that part of the [brain's]development is genetically determined and that the environment is going to influence part of its development too. However, we don't know for which cognitive function environmental inputs are crucial nor when they are important."

Previous studies on the role of experience in brain specialization have shown that early visual experience is important to development of face-processing skills.

Wenger, the Penn State neuroscientist, said that there is a hypothesis that, among infants, "the human visual system is specialized in a physical way for the processing of faces," Wenger said.

The alternative to the human brain being hardwired for processing faces "is that we use generalized mechanisms that apply to any visual object, and that over time our face-processing skills become very good, because we get a lot of practice," he continued. "It's an incredibly messy field [of study]. You can probably find almost exactly the same number of studies that argue both sides of the question."

Changing Views of the Brain

"All of these questions intersect with what we've learned in the last 10 to 15 years. Our view of what is modifiable in terms of brain structure has changed dramatically," Wenger said. "Ten years ago the accepted wisdom was that brain maturation was done by adolescence, and that is simply not the view any longer."

Scientists now know that adults can still modify synapses and change the
functional characteristics of the cortex by learning a language, taking up a musical instrument, or undertaking other activities that are repeatedly performed.

Wenger's own research, which has been conducted in adults, leans toward a nonhardwired view. His findings suggest that we use generalized vision processes that become highly specialized with particular classes of stimuli.

According to Wenger, we see lots of faces, so we get lots of practice. Therefore, he said, we learn to discern among the types of faces we see the most—whether they be African, Caucasian, Asian, or even macaque.
 
Taking it one step further, Pascalis, teh lead study author, noted that even adults who work with primates have trouble recognizing individual animals by their faces.

"Primatologists do recognize monkeys [based] on body posture or spots on fur but can hardly recognize them [based] on faces," he said.
灵长类动物学家都要依靠灵长类动物的肢体动作或毛色斑点来辨别它们,而难以仅凭这些动物的脸部细微区别识别它们,但是普通的小婴儿却能做到,有什么理由怀疑某些特殊的个体可以保留并发展了婴儿时期大家都具有的一些先天技能呢?
有时候过于强调所谓的“常识”而怀疑一切“反常”的东西,其实不过是眼界狭隘固步自封的表现。
 
这期我看了,也没觉得有明显漏洞。
一般人需要总结规律和特征来记忆,总结的过程就是把图像抽象化文字化的过程,但是的确有一部分人是天生就善于图像记忆的-他们看到一个画面,不必把它“翻译”成文字描述的信息,直接就可以以图像的形式存在大脑里了,这对于习惯抽象化总结的人难以想像,但确实存在。
最早的指纹识别或者更笼统地说机器视觉都是走这个路子,先做特征提取决,然后再分析。。。现在应该更进一步。。。模拟大脑和眼是终目标。。
 
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