好了, 安省最低工资涨到$11了.

[Gulliver]

不是所有人都能有高知识和高技能，即使一个政府投入100%的资源。在教育上有一个最加边际收益点。无论社会多么发达，总有人要做也只能做最低工资的活。' 授渔 ' 是不行的。所以只能政府介入。政府制定规则，包括请人的最低工资，剩余是自由市场。

关于这点，实际上你问的是，一个社会是否需要政府设置最低工资。下一个问题才是，最低工资的线应该划在哪里。

 

[ert0000]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/best-buy-canada-to-lay-off-950-staff-1.2517280
Best Buy Canada to lay off 950 staff

Best Buy Canada is laying off 950 people at its Future Shop and Best Buy retail stores after being hurt by intense competition during the important holiday sales period.

Stores in British Columbia, Quebec, Manitoba, Alberta and Ontario are being reorganized with “Stores-within-a-Store” concepts, working with vendor partners including Microsoft and Samsung, according to the company.

Online competitors such as Amazon and retail store competitors such asWal-Mart have cut into sales of electronics in Canada.

Best Buy Co. recently revealed that revenue fell 0.4 per cent to $12.8 billion in the holiday period with same-store sales dropping by 1.4 per cent.

Best Buy Canada said it is reducing management and sales staff and restructuring to take advantage of online sales.

“We have been focusing on simplifying our store structure and increasing efficiencies to better align with the changing needs of our customers,” said Ron Wilson, president of Best Buy Canada, in a press release.

“We have seen our online sales grow by more than 50 per cent in the past year and new services such as in-store reserve and pick up more than doubling. These changes in the way our customers are interacting with us have led us to look at how to best deploy our staff to meet those evolving needs,” he said.

Last year Best Buy Canada shut 15 stores.

The Best Buy chain is also under pressure in the U.S., where it has closed 50 stores offering a range of TVs and electronics in favour of smaller outlets offering smartphones and tablets.

The retail sector in Canada is seeing many layoffs, with Sears and other retailers undergoing major restructurings.

Best Buy Canada operates 79 Best Buy stores and 149 Future Shop stores after buying the Future Shop chain in 2001.

Bestbuy 裁这么多人, 有很多原因(不完全是最低工资上涨), 参考下面的贴.
http://bbs.comefromchina.com/threads/1329121/page-2#post-8546952

 

[阿土仔]

所以等老板给最低工资的打工者加工资是没有希望的，这些打工者是容易被社会遗忘的人，他们没有多少特别技能，没有很高教育，做几乎人人或经过很短训练即可做的工作，但老板的业务又离不开这些工作，政府介入是必须的并也有利于双方的。

所有的老板在没商量的情况下出价相同，证明这个职位就值这个价钱，这也是这个社会对这个职位的真实估价。如果这个职位没人做而又缺不得，起价自然就会升高。这本身就是一种动态的平衡与自我调节，并不需要行政干预。当然，有政治目的除外。

顺便说一句，如果你拿最低工资，我们就不谈了。

 

[阿土仔]

这个中产也不是固定不变的。企业的经理人，去领救济的也不是没有，更何况一般打工的。中产的时候，当提款机。转变成无产者的时候，就可以心安理得的提别人款了。

美国的中产工资比这里高，打工的最低工资比这里多，物价还便宜。为啥不考虑去美国做IT？

绿卡问题。

加拿大，特别是安省再这么搞下去，会成为第2个希腊。近10年私企大批倒掉或缩小，没有私企，打工者和政府都得去喝西北风。

 

[ottawa_it_blue_collar]

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/best-buy-canada-to-lay-off-950-staff-1.2517280
Best Buy Canada to lay off 950 staff

Best Buy Canada is laying off 950 people at its Future Shop and Best Buy retail stores after being hurt by intense competition during the important holiday sales period.

Stores in British Columbia, Quebec, Manitoba, Alberta and Ontario are being reorganized with “Stores-within-a-Store” concepts, working with vendor partners including Microsoft and Samsung, according to the company.

Online competitors such as Amazon and retail store competitors such asWal-Mart have cut into sales of electronics in Canada.

Best Buy Co. recently revealed that revenue fell 0.4 per cent to $12.8 billion in the holiday period with same-store sales dropping by 1.4 per cent.

Best Buy Canada said it is reducing management and sales staff and restructuring to take advantage of online sales.

“We have been focusing on simplifying our store structure and increasing efficiencies to better align with the changing needs of our customers,” said Ron Wilson, president of Best Buy Canada, in a press release.

“We have seen our online sales grow by more than 50 per cent in the past year and new services such as in-store reserve and pick up more than doubling. These changes in the way our customers are interacting with us have led us to look at how to best deploy our staff to meet those evolving needs,” he said.

Last year Best Buy Canada shut 15 stores.

The Best Buy chain is also under pressure in the U.S., where it has closed 50 stores offering a range of TVs and electronics in favour of smaller outlets offering smartphones and tablets.

The retail sector in Canada is seeing many layoffs, with Sears and other retailers undergoing major restructurings.

Best Buy Canada operates 79 Best Buy stores and 149 Future Shop stores after buying the Future Shop chain in 2001.

Bestbuy 裁这么多人, 有很多原因(不完全是最低工资上涨), 参考下面的贴.
http://bbs.comefromchina.com/threads/1329121/page-2#post-8546952

bby前景很好。
电器基本是垄断。扩张太快后的收缩。

 

[ottawa_it_blue_collar]

不是所有人都能有高知识和高技能，即使一个政府投入100%的资源。在教育上有一个最加边际收益点。无论社会多么发达，总有人要做也只能做最低工资的活。' 授渔 ' 是不行的。所以只能政府介入。政府制定规则，包括请人的最低工资，剩余是自由市场。

这个是经济学家的问题了，但安省以几十名的人均GDP 开出世界第一名的minimum pay 不正常。

 

[hulaha]

随着技术的发展尤其是信息技术和机器人技术的发展。生产效率越来越高，对人工的需求越来越少。

很明显，以后很少一部分人的劳动就能满足所有人的需求。那么去上班的中产肯定是少数。在这里上西爱抚西的IT工只有少部分能继续工作。就算去工厂打雷波工都难找，为啥，工厂机器人呜央呜央地，生产几乎都由不领工资的机器人做。活人除了工程师管生产的就是修理维护指挥机器人的。难到说有班上的中产和有产业的老板们大把挣票子，少缴税。没工作的就靠政府给口饭吃，或者打累拨工只能糊口？如果没有政府干预，绝大多数失业者都会挣扎在死亡线上。

其实，如果真的“很少一部分人的劳动就能满足所有人的需求”，不正是说共产主义实现了么。生产率极大提高，生产满足人的一切需求，那么就可以按需分配了么。有工作的人一看，好嘛，人家不工作也在大耗资家里吃香的喝辣的，出门开宝马。那么干嘛还出去工作。这样呢，大家强制轮流每人一周工作一个小时，剩下的时间就是享受生活。这样每人都有工作，人人都可以体面享受生活。这不就是人类的理想生活么。

如果政府不管，那么这些人不说人人都，也有好多人去上街摆摊，那么热狗摊肯定也少不了。卖热狗的买卖可就难做喽。所有事情有利毕有弊。

http://www.cbc.ca/news/business/best-buy-canada-to-lay-off-950-staff-1.2517280
Best Buy Canada to lay off 950 staff

Best Buy Canada is laying off 950 people at its Future Shop and Best Buy retail stores after being hurt by intense competition during the important holiday sales period.
Stores in British Columbia, Quebec, Manitoba, Alberta and Ontario are being reorganized with “Stores-within-a-Store” concepts, working with vendor partners including Microsoft and Samsung, according to the company.

Online competitors such as Amazon and retail store competitors such asWal-Mart have cut into sales of electronics in Canada.

Best Buy Co. recently revealed that revenue fell 0.4 per cent to $12.8 billion in the holiday period with same-store sales dropping by 1.4 per cent.

Best Buy Canada said it is reducing management and sales staff and restructuring to take advantage of online sales.

“We have been focusing on simplifying our store structure and increasing efficiencies to better align with the changing needs of our customers,” said Ron Wilson, president of Best Buy Canada, in a press release.

“We have seen our online sales grow by more than 50 per cent in the past year and new services such as in-store reserve and pick up more than doubling. These changes in the way our customers are interacting with us have led us to look at how to best deploy our staff to meet those evolving needs,” he said.

Last year Best Buy Canada shut 15 stores.

The Best Buy chain is also under pressure in the U.S., where it has closed 50 stores offering a range of TVs and electronics in favour of smaller outlets offering smartphones and tablets.

The retail sector in Canada is seeing many layoffs, with Sears and other retailers undergoing major restructurings.

Best Buy Canada operates 79 Best Buy stores and 149 Future Shop stores after buying the Future Shop chain in 2001.
Bestbuy 裁这么多人, 有很多原因(不完全是最低工资上涨), 参考下面的贴.
http://bbs.comefromchina.com/threads/1329121/page-2#post-8546952

 

[hulaha]

其实，有时候做跟风的也能成功。好多实力雄厚的跟风的把创始的打败的。比如三星的智能手机就比苹果的分额大。 会复制，付出的成本会比创始的小的多，只要有实力，一夜之间就和创始的十年的创新平起平坐了，而且研发和市场开发的成本很小的。

现在加入卖热狗的行列，虽然难度大，但总比市场调节情况下的六块八毛五甚至不到六块八毛五强。结果，卖热狗的越来越多，大家削价竞争，最后发现利润还不如去挣六块八毛五。结果有些人退出热狗市场。使得热狗摊主盈利恢复到并保持在六块八毛五多点。所以最低工资造成热狗摊主的收入也和六块八毛五差不多的地步。 哈哈。

人要有发展, 就不能总去复制拷贝别人的成功. 要标新立异, 现在即使有人想加入卖热狗的行列, 难度很大啊.

有想创业的现在可以开发女士内衣内裤胸罩情趣产品, 前景非常光明.

 

[demark13]

这个是经济学家的问题了，但安省以几十名的人均GDP 开出世界第一名的minimum pay 不正常。

no

世界第一是 澳大利亚, 15.95 AUD 失业率只有 5.3%.

阿儿伯大省的工人工资是安省工人的一倍, 只不过 mini pay 还是 9.8 , 工资都在 15 以上, 9.8 只是摆设.

 

[hulaha]

我是拿你热狗摊举个例子。因为这个六块八毛五甚至更低的时薪，使大家过上穷苦的生活。穷则思变，大家都找财路，有的卖热狗，有的去卖女士内衣内裤胸罩情趣产品。由于这六块八毛五造成太多的人摆各种小摊做各种生意。使得各个摊和小生意的利润空间保持在六块八毛五多一些。其实卖女士内衣内裤胸罩情趣产品的也被这六块八毛五害的也跟你的热狗摊的盈利差不多，六块八毛五。哈哈。

你太可怕了, 如果你想和我死磕, 是可以大大挤压我的赢利空间, 但是何必呢? 热狗卖不了几个钱, 女士内衣内裤胸罩情趣产品, 起价就是我的热狗5倍-8倍以上, 利润更高, 大家都是聪明人.你说是吧.

 

[hulaha]

由于工资低，就业难，会使几万人投入小生意大军。你附近有那么20个人复制你，其中有2个人能复制成功，在你附近摆热狗摊，就够你喝一壶的了。

复制别人的模式, 有的很容易, 有的很难, 要有丰富的江湖经验和恒心, 很多人急功近利的是很难靠复制成功的.

 

[ottawa_it_blue_collar]

no

世界第一是 澳大利亚, 15.95 AUD 失业率只有 5.3%.

阿儿伯大省的工人工资是安省工人的一倍, 只不过 mini pay 还是 9.8 , 工资都在 15 以上, 9.8 只是摆设.

嗯，不准确呵。
澳洲人均GDP多少，67900刀，世界第5。安省多少?
阿省说明市场调节很有效呵！

 

[Gulliver]

这个是经济学家的问题了，但安省以几十名的人均GDP 开出世界第一名的minimum pay 不正常。

这个问题不完全是经济学的问题，但离不开经济学的基本理论。但$14最低工资好像不是全世界第一。我没有查，但我印象里，澳大利亚的最低工资相当与美金$16.

 

[Gulliver]

所有的老板在没商量的情况下出价相同，证明这个职位就值这个价钱，这也是这个社会对这个职位的真实估价。如果这个职位没人做而又缺不得，起价自然就会升高。这本身就是一种动态的平衡与自我调节，并不需要行政干预。当然，有政治目的除外。

顺便说一句，如果你拿最低工资，我们就不谈了。

你这个问题和前面'IT蓝领'的看法是一样的----让商业去寻找平衡点。这是经济学一个最基本的也最简单的供需平衡模型。然而在实际中应用时，实际社会中的因数比供需两个因数要多的多，所以分析要复杂一些。这问题也就是，为什么一个社会需要政府设定的最低工资而不是让市场调节出一个最低工资？

至于我有多少收入不是这里要讨论的范围吧。我也相信你不会根据一个人的收入多少才决定是否讨论这些问题吧。

 

[ottawa_it_blue_collar]

这个问题不完全是经济学的问题，但离不开经济学的基本理论。但$14最低工资好像不是全世界第一。我没有查，但我印象里，澳大利亚的最低工资相当与美金$16.

澳洲人均GDP近7万比安省的4万多高出多少。