国殇纪念日的感动

二战我知道,反法西斯战争,正义战胜谢俄。一次大战,谁跟谁打来着?:confused:
一战也是正义战胜邪恶——谁赢了谁就是正义。
 
一战也是正义战胜邪恶——谁赢了谁就是正义。
是吗?如果历史书没有错的话,中国是一战的战胜国,却在战后安排的巴黎和会中,被迫把战败国德国在华殖民地,转交给战胜国日本,那时的世界老大大英帝国(加拿大是它的自治领,没有完全独立),却给日本撑腰。。。这件事导致五四运动,虽然中华民国政府外交强硬,但是弱国在列强面前,没有公理正义。

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/巴黎和会_(1919年)#.E5.AF.B9.E4.B8.AD.E5.9B.BD.E5.BD.B1.E5.93.8D

这样的战胜国、这样的战争结果,你还说它是正义?
 
有些话我在节前不说,我不想参与戴小红花不戴小红花谁鄙视谁的争吵中。戴有戴的理由,我不鄙视,而是尊重。我有不戴的理由,节后说说,可以吧。
 
南非战争,应该说的是这段:
The Second Boer War (or Second South African War) (1899–1902)[edit]
Main article: Second Boer War
The exact causes of the Second Anglo-Boer War in 1899 have been disputed ever since the events took place. Fault for the war has been placed on both sides, for different reasons. The Boers felt that the British intention was to again annexe the Transvaal. Some feel that the British were coerced into war by the mining magnates; others that the British government manipulated the magnates into creating conditions that allowed the war to ignite. It appears that the British did not begin with the intention of annexation. They simply wanted to ensure that British strength and the regional economic and political stability of the British Empire remained unchanged.[21] The British worried about popular support for the war and wanted to push the Boers to make the first move toward actual hostilities. This occurred when the Transvaal issued an ultimatum on 9 October for the British to withdraw all troops from their borders and recall their reinforcements, or they would “regard the action as a formal declaration of war.”[22]
Over time, the war has come to be viewed as a "White Man’s War." Recent scholarship has exposed this as untrue. Black people were used on both sides, primarily in non-combat roles, as labourers. The British employed armed black men as scouts or dispatch riders, and were going to employ unarmed black scouts, but decided to continue arming them when the Boers began shooting at the scouts and dispatch riders as spies. The Boers also employed black men during the war, who mostly helped with digging defensive emplacements and roads for the transport of weaponry. They served in this capacity primarily during the initial conventional phase of the war.[23]
The Second Boer War consisted of three phases. It began with a Boer offensive to besiege the garrisons at Ladysmith, Mafeking, and Kimberley, after a quick mobilisation of their commando units from each district, drawing up to 30–40,000 men. The Boers used a quick-hitting mobile style of war, based on their experiences fighting the British in the first Boer War, along with lessons learned from studying the American Civil War. Early British attempts to relieve these besieged garrisons met with mixed results. The British felt that the war would be ended quickly. They were ill-prepared to face the well-equipped Boers, losing a large number of men in their first attempts to push into places such as Magersfontein, Stormberg, and Colenso.[24]
The second phase began with Britain re-elling from defeats and deploying the largest British force ever sent overseas to South Africa. The British commander, Sir Redvers Buller, and his subordinate Major General Charles Warren, began the British offensive with an attack on the hill of Spion Kop. While the British won this battle, they belatedly realised that the hill was over-watched by Boer gun emplacements and suffered heavy casualties. Buller suffered another defeat at Vaal Krantz and was relieved as commander of British forces over questions of his management of the war. His replacement was Field Marshal Lord Frederick Roberts. Roberts managed to win a series of battles by committing overwhelming numbers of British forces against the Boers. He pushed into and captured the Orange Free State in May 1900 and then pushed into the Transvaal to capture Johannesburg on 31 May. Roberts declared the war over after the capture of the Orange Free State and Johannesburg, announcing the formation of the Transvaal Colony and the Orange River Colony, incorporated in 1902. It was at this point that the Boers, initially demoralised by the overwhelming numbers of British troops, began the third phase of the Second Boer War: the guerilla campaign.[25]
After regrouping into smaller units, the Boer commanders started using guerrilla tactics, destroying railways, bridges, and telegraph wires. Their leaders included Louis Botha in the eastern Transvaal; Koos de la Rey and Jan Smuts in western Transvaal; and Christian de Wet in the Orange Free State. The British were not prepared for this type of tactic, having an insufficient number of mounted troops and no intelligence personnel. They moved against the civilian population that supported the Boers, burning their houses and barns. Nonetheless, support for the Boers remained strong. To deal with families wandering across the countryside without shelter, the British decided to set up what they considered to be refugee camps, in September 1900. In December 1900 Herbert Kitchener of Khartoum took over command of the British army, continuing the scorched-earth policy. He believed that women served as a source of intelligence for the Boers, so he put them in concentration camps. Additionally, he set up blockhouses and barbed wire fences to restrict the Boers to a certain area. In January 1901, Kitchener raided the countryside, putting Africans and Boer civilians into concentration camps. When he learned that Louis Botha was interested in peace, he jumped at the opportunity, using Botha's wife and an intermediary. Nothing came of the talks, for Sir Alfred Milner insisted that nothing but full surrender would be acceptable to the British. The Boers wanted independence, and in June 1901, Boer leaders came together and stated that no proposal would be considered unless it included their independence. Conditions in the concentration camps worsened, and the problem was not brought to public attention until an Englishwoman Emily Hobhouse did her own investigation and sailed back to England with the intention of exposing Kitchener for what he was permitting. The war minister, Brodick, dismissed the complaints of Hobhouse and her supporters in parliament, stating that it was Boer guerilla tactics that had led to the methods currently in use. The military situation for the troops of De Wet, Botha, and De la Rey had worsened, for Kitchener's blockhouses and fences were posing a serious problem. Additionally, three-quarters of the Boer's cattle had been killed and taken away and they were struggling just to survive. Though De la Rey (in March 1902) captured General Lord Paul Methuen and 600 troops, he had to let them go because he had no place to keep them. At this time there were many that decided that it would be best to simply accept British rule, some of them serving as guides. These "joiners," as they were called, disagreed with those Boers who continued fighting at great risk, though they knew there would never be a military success.
By this time Kitchener had built an army of 250,000 troops, built 8000 blockhouses, and had 3,700 miles (6,000 km) of commandos(???). He also changed his tactics towards women and children. Rather than packing them off to concentration camps, he told his troops to leave them where they found them, so that the burden of taking care of them fell on the Boers. This further pushed the Boers towards negotiations.[26]
Negotiations for ending the war began in April 1902. Proposals were sent back and forth and rejected by both sides as being unreasonable. At times it looked as if the negotiations would fail and the war would continue. The Boers were granted some concessions on the treatment of Cape Afrikaner rebels and the rights of the black Africans. Perhaps the most surprising thing to come out of the negotiations was that the Transvaal and Orange Free State would have to recognise King Edward VII as sovereign over their land. Many of the people of the Orange Free State and Transvaal considered this a betrayal of one of their key tenets for fighting in the first place.[27]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/South_African_Wars_(1879–1915)

South African Wars (1879–1915)
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Ethnic, political and social tensions among European colonial powers, indigenous Africans, and English and Dutch settlers led to open conflict in a series of wars and revolts between 1879 and 1915 that would have lasting repercussions on the entire region of southern Africa. Pursuit of commercial empire as well as individual aspirations, especially after the discovery of gold (1886) and diamonds (1867), were key factors driving these developments.[1]

南非的事情,应该问问曼德拉。他不在?那就问问黑人咋说。毕竟老黑是那里的多数。
 
是吗?如果历史书没有错的话,中国是一战的战胜国,却在战后安排的巴黎和会中,被迫把战败国德国在华殖民地,转交给战胜国日本,那时的世界老大大英帝国(加拿大是它的自治领,没有完全独立),却给日本撑腰。。。这件事导致五四运动,虽然中华民国政府外交强硬,但是弱国在列强面前,没有公理正义。

http://zh.wikipedia.org/wiki/巴黎和会_(1919年)#.E5.AF.B9.E4.B8.AD.E5.9B.BD.E5.BD.B1.E5.93.8D

这样的战胜国、这样的战争结果,你还说它是正义?
貌似没那么简单
 
南非的事情,应该问问曼德拉。他不在?那就问问黑人咋说。毕竟老黑是那里的多数。
加拿大参加的南非战争, 跟老黑们无关。 那是布尔人战争, 是白人之间的战争。
 
貌似没那么简单

这个罗辑思维有许多逻辑混乱的谬论,以前看过一些段子,就不多说了。
 
加拿大参加的南非战争, 跟老黑们无关。 那是布尔人战争, 是白人之间的战争。

一拨白人殖民者和另一拨白人殖民者在黑人的土地上打仗,不管怎么说也不是什么令人“感动”的事情。。。
 
这个罗辑思维有许多逻辑混乱的谬论,以前看过一些段子,就不多说了。
兼听一下嘛。
至少有一点我在很早就这么认为了,那就是当时的情况远不是简简单单的日本欺负中国而已。中国自身不够强大, 以为混个战胜国的名头就能如何了?
 
一拨白人殖民者和另一拨白人殖民者在黑人的土地上打仗,不管怎么说也不是什么令人“感动”的事情。。。
我不知道你感动些什么, 或者 不感动些什么
我只是告诉你, 布尔人战争跟黑人无关。 那场战争并不是黑人起义反抗白人统治者的战争。
你去找曼德拉,是找错对象了。
 
我不知道你感动些什么, 或者 不感动些什么
我只是告诉你, 布尔人战争跟黑人无关。 那场战争并不是黑人起义反抗白人统治者的战争。
你去找曼德拉,是找错对象了。
标题,本贴标题在“感动”,我有啥感动的。

举个例子,日本人和俄国人在中国东北干了一仗,这事跟中国人无关?那是中国人的地盘,怎么跟中国人无关?日本在东北打败了俄国,它自豪它庆祝,咱勉强理解一下,难道还要一个中国人跟日本人一起纪念和“感动”伟大的“日露战争”?
 
标题,本贴标题在“感动”,我有啥感动的。

举个例子,日本人和俄国人在中国东北干了一仗,这事跟中国人无关?那是中国人的地盘,怎么跟中国人无关?日本在东北打败了俄国,它自豪它庆祝,咱勉强理解一下,难道还要一个中国人跟日本人一起纪念和“感动”伟大的“日露战争”?
一伙外地白人, 跟另一伙本地白人, 在一伙黑人的土地上打仗。
你一个中国人, 跟你关系很大吗?谴责也行, 感动也罢,随大流喽。

我没看出有去为黑哥们站出来谴责双方的白人的必要。

你要严格来说, 中国的土地难道不是黄帝伙同炎帝从蚩尤手里抢来的? 按照KMT当年的说法, 咱们红色政权下的子民,大多是蚩尤部落的遗民哦, 结果现在大家都尊炎黄为祖,把个蚩尤就给抛到脑后去了。

何况, 当时也不仅仅是三个部落, 还有其他部落呢, 炎黄斗蚩尤,却在你的部落的土地上打来打去,他们上哪哭去? 结果现在都成了炎黄子孙了。 搞笑吧。

也没见哪个蚩尤部落的后代, 为自己部落的子民站出来呐喊嘛。何哉?很简单, 那么多时间过去了, 大家都move on了嘛!
 
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OK OK,其实我今天咖啡喝多了,泡脚时间到了~~~
 
一战也是正义战胜邪恶——谁赢了谁就是正义。

战争是政治的延续,也基本是政治的最后解决方法,谁赢了战争,谁就赢了政治,于是就是你说的: 谁赢了谁就是正义。
 
关于一战: 正义的舅舅

 
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