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自由论坛，我想回谁的贴就回谁的贴，只要符合论坛规则。你这川普粉连这都不晓得么？
Sam Harris on President Trump: "The Most Powerful Clown"
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https://www.scientificamerican.com/...minent-scientists-react-to-trump-rsquo-s-win/
这是另一无神论剑客，理查德.道金斯，对川普当选的反应。
Dear New Zealand,
The two largest nations in the English-speaking world have just suffered catastrophes at the hands of voters—in both cases the uneducated, anti-intellectual portion of voters. Science in both countries will be hit extremely hard: In the one case, by the xenophobically inspired severing of painstakingly built-up relationships with European partners; in the other case by the election of an unqualified, narcissistic, misogynistic sick joke as president. In neither case is the disaster going to be short-lived: in America because of the nonretirement rule of the Supreme Court; in Britain because Brexit is irreversible.
There are top scientists in America and Britain—talented, creative people, desperate to escape the redneck bigotry of their home countries. Dear New Zealand, you are a deeply civilized small nation, with a low population in a pair of beautiful, spacious islands. You care about climate change, the future of the planet and other scientifically important issues. Why not write to all the Nobel Prize winners in Britain and America, write to the Fields medalists, Kyoto and Crafoord Prize and International Cosmos Prize winners, the Fellows of the Royal Society, the elite scientists in the National Academy of Sciences, the Fellows of the British Academy and similar bodies in America. Offer them citizenship. The contribution that creative intellectuals can make to the prosperity and cultural life of a nation is out of all proportion to their numbers. You could make New Zealand the Athens of the modern world.
Yes, dear New Zealand, I know it’s an unrealistic, surreal pipe dream. But on the day after U.S. election day, in the year of Brexit, the distinction between the surreal and the awfulness of the real seems to merge in a bad trip from which a pipe dream is the only refuge.
Yours,
Richard Dawkins, founder and board chairman, Richard Dawkins Foundation
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鸭，既然都在论这事，我就说了这么几句，而已。你有你的支持与观点，我也有我的，好不好。关于这次米国大选，你很奇怪地嗨，你是米国人？
全球的人都认为，这次TRUMP的支持都，都是一群乌合之众。然而事实上，希拉里的铁杆支持者， 在台底下，比乌合还乌合，将他们所不屑的东西运用到了极致。
事实就是这样，理性有时就会输于热情（或叫愚昧）。
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你抖啥呢抖，放下你的手。嗯，我支持大家各有各的观点。
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而且事实上，希拉里赢的仅仅是57个县，而TRUMP赢的是3000多个县，这么个比数，你给个说法吧。看看，你不能支持我高举的手[emoji115]
还有，最后还发现，在希拉里的一方，竟然有3百万是被否票。
不知道你说的第二句是什么意思。至于第一句，很容易想得出是因为城市和农村的区别。而且事实上，希拉里赢的仅仅是57个县，而TRUMP赢的是3000多个县，这么个比数，你给个说法吧。
还有，最后还发现，在希拉里的一方，竟然有3百万是被否票。
如果希拉里仅仅赢了那么几个县就能赢得全国选民的大多数，说明川普得到的支持大部分来自人口稀少（据说教育程度也低）的偏远乡村，希拉里的支持大部分集中在人口集中（据说教育程度也高）的城市。
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哦，我是真不知道。查了一下，你传的是假新闻。
http://www.politifact.com/punditfac...illion-undocumented-immigrants-did-not-vote-/
Fact-check: Did 3 million undocumented immigrants vote in this year's election?
By Allison Graves on Friday, November 18th, 2016 at 10:58 a.m.
Were there 3 million illegal votes from undocumented immigrants in this year’s presidential election? Well, that’s what some websites are saying.
"Report: 3 million votes in presidential election cast by illegal aliens," reads a headline on InfoWars, a conspiracy website ran by Alex Jones. The article has been shared via Facebook more than 48,000 times when we last looked.
Other websites also have touted this report, including Milo,TheNewAmerican and FreedomDaily.
So is there any truth to it?
Well, we don’t know for absolute certain. But the report is actually a tweet, and the person who authored the tweet won’t explain how he arrived at his figure. If that isn’t reason enough to be skeptical, independent experts and historical analyses suggest it’s highly suspect.
In other words, don’t buy it.
Where’s the report?
As evidence of its claim, InfoWars’ headline refers to a report from VoteFraud.org and tweets from Gregg Phillips, whose Twitter profile says he’s the founder of VoteStand, a voter fraud reporting app.
There is no report from VoteFraud.org, however, and Phillips told PolitiFact he is not affiliated with that website. The information comes from tweets made by from Phillips on Nov. 11 and Nov. 13.
Here they are:
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Gregg Phillips @JumpVoteWe have verified more than three million votes cast by non-citizens.
We are joining .@TrueTheVote to initiate legal action. #unrigged
11:47 AM - 13 Nov 2016
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Gregg Phillips @JumpVoteCompleted analysis of database of 180 million voter registrations.
Number of non-citizen votes exceeds 3 million.
Consulting legal team.
6:23 PM - 11 Nov 2016
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Phillips would not provide any additional information when asked by PolitiFact. He said he has chosen not to release more information because he is still working on analyzing the data and verifying its accuracy. Phillips would also not say what the data is or where it came from, or what methodology he used.
Phillips said he would release the information publicly once he is finally finished.
According to his page on LinkedIn, Phillips is a former finance director of the Alabama Republican Party. He also served as executive director of the Mississippi Republican Party and was managing director of a super PAC that supported Newt Gingrich’s 2012 campaign for president.
Plenty of reason to be skeptical
While we have no idea how Phillips arrived at his claim that 3-million noncitizens voted, people who have made similar claims in the past have cited a 2014 report that claims 6.4 percent of non-citizens voted in 2008 and 2.2 percent of non-citizens voted in 2010 midterm congressional elections.
That report was based on data from a Harvard survey of people. But the data was flawed, which created flaws in the subsequent report.
The authors of the survey say a small percentage of respondents, who are citizens, accidentally misidentified themselves as noncitizens on the survey. This is because the respondents didn’t read the question carefully and accidentally selected the wrong response to the question.
How do researchers know this? One of the authors of the survey, Brian Schaffner, said people changed their answers later when they were asked about their citizenship.
"When we took out people who changed their answer on the citizenship question and only look at people who answered consistently that they were noncitizens, we found no reported noncitizens who voted," Schaffner told PolitiFact.
Other research contradicts Phillips’ tweet.
News 21, a national investigative reporting project funded by the Carnegie Corporation of New York and the John S. and James L. Knight Foundation, found just 56 cases of noncitizens voting between 2000 and 2011.
A report by the liberal Brennan Center for Justice at New York University School of Law found that most cases of noncitizens voting were accidental. "Although there are a few recorded examples in which noncitizens have apparently registered or voted, investigators have concluded that they were likely not aware that doing so was improper," reads the 2007 report.
States that have tried to purge noncitizens from voter rolls, meanwhile, have found even government data lacking.
In 2012, Florida Governor Rick Scott’s administration started an efforttrying to crack down on noncitizens voting by comparing driver's license data against voter rolls.
Through this process the Florida Department of State created a list of 182,000 potential noncitizens that had voted. That number was whittled down to 2,700, then to about 200 before the purge was stopped amid criticism that the data was flawed given the number of false positives — including a Brooklyn-born World War II vet.
Ultimately, only 85 people were removed from the voting rolls. State officials began to pursue a second attempt at a purge in advance of the 2014 election but then abandoned that effort, too.
Richard Hasen, an election law expert at the University of California, Irvine, called Phillips’ claim "fake news."
"There is no credible evidence I have seen to show large numbers of noncitizens voting in U.S. elections anywhere," Hasen said. "The idea that 3 million noncitizens could have illegally voted in our elections without being detected is obscenely ludicrous."
Our ruling
Reports claim 3 million "illegal aliens" cast votes in this year's election.
The articles point back to tweets from Gregg Phillips, who has worked for the Republican Party and has a voter fraud reporting app. But Phillips will not provide any evidence to support his claim, which happens to be undermined by publicly available information.
If Phillips does release a more detailed report, we will consider that information. But for now, this claim is inaccurate. We rate it False.
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