孩子教育和课外活动花费统计

[LifeIsBeautiful]

卡尔顿圈子和IB圈里确实有很多本村的学霸。

不会吧，学霸也进卡尔顿？

 

[LifeIsBeautiful]

帮帮忙，卡尔顿是提高班，不是补习班，学霸多了去了，好伐?

说叉了不是，你说的是数学班吧，我说的是卡尔顿大学。

 

[LifeIsBeautiful]

这坛子有名的卡尔顿数学圈子，简称“卡尔顿圈子”啊

哦，知道了。俺是卡尔顿大学生的家长圈，看来是个假圈子。

 

[他乡枫叶]

如果家里有孩子达到准专业体育水平，俺提供一些花费开支预算数字，都是本人亲自调查和朋友提供的一手材料。例如位置在佛罗里达洲的体育专科学校（一般从小学6年级到高中毕业考大学）IMG，网球少年运动员每年7万5千美元的学费开销包吃包住包（一般初／高中学）教学。一旦选中，原来有非正式许诺：孩子毕业时，保证学生能达到（男女）世界网球前100名水平。许多网球明星如桑普拉斯，沙拉波娃都曾经是这个网球学校的学生。现在学校还提供高尔夫，篮球，排球，足球，田径等项目的教学培训。据统计一般高中生能拿到体育奖学金入大学的比例不超过3%。但是2014年，IMG的学生以体育特长考入大学（许多是藤校）并获体育奖学金的比例占当年毕业生的57%，是一般高中的19倍。当然能进IMG的学生本身天赋就非常高。

另外一个真实案例是在鹅岭速度滑冰俱乐部里一位冰友的17岁女孩成绩排世界少年第5名，加拿大女子少年第一。当她要飞往卡尔加里参加加拿大奥林匹克国家队的选拔赛时，我问她的父亲，都谁一同飞去。老爹说全家其他四口（妈妈，弟弟和小妹妹），只有他一人同往，因为飞机票太贵了。其实他的儿子和小女儿也是速滑好手。我又问，参加比赛得带几双冰鞋（我以为怎么也得有一双备用的以防万一）。老爹说女儿只有一双速滑冰鞋。只冰刀就要1000多加元，太贵了，实在买不起。然后向往地说，如果能被选人国家队就好了。一切设备开支，甚是大学的学费都是国家給包了。这就是在加拿大孩子投身体育事业，家长要面对的经济问题。当然这些对天朝的土豪家庭来说都不值一提。

冰刀1000元，买不起？他家是太穷了？不开车，开车不换刹车片？没有LCD电视？都睡地板，不买mattress？

 

[Country on wheel]

冰刀1000元，买不起？他家是太穷了？不开车，开车不换刹车片？没有LCD电视？都睡地板，不买mattress？

冰刀1000多加元，冰鞋要更贵。对于一般家庭，三个孩子每人买一双正规比赛速滑鞋不下6000-7000加元。而且父母本身也是速滑爱好者。更可况teenage的三个孩子正在成长期，冰鞋可能用不了两三年就要换新的。除了冰鞋，冰刀，参加俱乐部每年每人的成员费用几乎要500-1000加元（视每周活动的频率和等级不同）。还有高档的速滑服装，手套，帽子等设备，其价格是一般人难以想象。参加比赛也要交费的。打冰球的孩子开支更大。

你可能没涉及过专业速度滑冰运动，不当家不知材米贵。人家说是买不起第二双备用冰鞋，冰刀。正是因为生活还要开车，买电视，买床，給三个孩子提供生活必需品，甚至还要还房贷，才说出这样的话。正如我说的，这些对于中国的土豪家庭，不值一提。

 

[ottawa_tj]

进皇冠上的明珠滑大计算机肯定没戏。

没有94是进不去的！

 

[故乡明月]

要是男孩怎么办？我说句大实话啊，文艺和体育当玩票，当兴趣爱好成，当饭碗真不成。

冲您的大实话，点赞。

 

[故乡明月]

所谓圈子也是自身过硬形成的专业网络。你得有能力帮助别人别人才能帮你。比如我是陪读妈妈，认识的圈子自然就是陪读妈妈们。

点赞

 

[阿土仔]

就是这样， 文体活动只要水平上升到一定层次，费用自然增加不少，楼主连好皮鞋都舍不得买，突然发现这些费用升上5位数，估计也就1万出头，发帖宣泄一下，一些拎不清的村民说人家炫富。去冰爹冰妈问问，这算啥富啊? 没看见老公在国内创业大获成功财务自由的不用工作的全职妈妈说的，人家肚皮都要笑痛了。

对于只在这里挣钱的家庭，这些费用确实很大，我认识的本地人，孩子在某方面有长处的，花钱海了去了，5位出头算啥啊，人家一年6位数。收入很高，没钱买新房大屋，还在很便宜的区住个便宜的帮各楼。

这属于个人花钱的方式不同，但是如果没有那么多的钱，也就不能那个花法。努着做自己力不能及的事，也是一种选择，但选了就要无怨无悔，也不需要找人来背书。

 

[阿土仔]

如果家里有孩子达到准专业体育水平，俺提供一些花费开支预算数字，都是本人亲自调查和朋友提供的一手材料。例如位置在佛罗里达洲的体育专科学校（一般从小学6年级到高中毕业考大学）IMG，网球少年运动员每年7万5千美元的学费开销包吃包住包（一般初／高中学）教学。一旦选中，原来有非正式许诺：孩子毕业时，保证学生能达到（男女）世界网球前100名水平。许多网球明星如桑普拉斯，沙拉波娃都曾经是这个网球学校的学生。现在学校还提供高尔夫，篮球，排球，足球，田径等项目的教学培训。据统计一般高中生能拿到体育奖学金入大学的比例不超过3%。但是2014年，IMG的学生以体育特长考入大学（许多是藤校）并获体育奖学金的比例占当年毕业生的57%，是一般高中的19倍。当然能进IMG的学生本身天赋就非常高。

另外一个真实案例是在鹅岭速度滑冰俱乐部里一位冰友的17岁女孩成绩排世界少年第5名，加拿大女子少年第一。当她要飞往卡尔加里参加加拿大奥林匹克国家队的选拔赛时，我问她的父亲，都谁一同飞去。老爹说全家其他四口（妈妈，弟弟和小妹妹），只有他一人同往，因为飞机票太贵了。其实他的儿子和小女儿也是速滑好手。我又问，参加比赛得带几双冰鞋（我以为怎么也得有一双备用的以防万一）。老爹说女儿只有一双速滑冰鞋。只冰刀就要1000多加元，太贵了，实在买不起第二双备用比赛速滑鞋。然后向往地说，如果能被选人国家队就好了。一切设备开支，甚是大学的学费都是国家給包了。这就是在加拿大孩子投身体育事业，家长要面对的经济问题。当然这些对天朝的土豪家庭来说都不值一提。

如果打算吃体育饭的确实可以这样赌一把，如果不是，这么玩家里还过不过？考虑兴趣是好事，但也要量力而为。

 

[bonjour]

进皇冠上的明珠滑大计算机肯定没戏。

今年不是有个99分进皇冠上的明珠的学生自杀了吗

 

[uglyducking]

今年不是有个99分进皇冠上的明珠的学生自杀了吗

得94分的才行

 

[ccc]

这就得看校风了。
有的学校要求严，打分紧，孩子申请大学开始吃亏(和其它学校高分的在一起比)，但学生以后轻松，
有的学校要求松，打分松，孩子申请大学开始占便宜，但学生以后就难了，自杀的多半是这类型
有的学校原来要求严，打分紧，后来拧不过家长的压力， 全升分了，以后怎样很难说，可能有隐患

打分紧打分松的，阴谋论!

我看是在孩子上大学前把孩子推到了极限的恶果。

 

[bonjour]

这就得看校风了。
有的学校要求严，打分紧，孩子申请大学开始吃亏(和其它学校高分的在一起比)，但学生以后轻松，
有的学校要求松，打分松，孩子申请大学开始占便宜，但学生以后就难了，自杀的多半是这类型
有的学校原来要求严，打分紧，后来拧不过家长的压力， 全升分了，以后怎样很难说，可能有隐患

一个皇冠上的明珠的学生在UW论坛上讨论该事件的留言：

I'm not sure what it is abut UW's environment that makes it any different, and as a disclaimer, I can't say for sure whether I would feel this way regardless of what university I went to.

But holy hell, I don't feel like I got my money's worth. I'm 80k in the hole for a CS degree, and I don't feel like I've been taught anything that I couldn't have learned better online. In fact, I had to supplement my education here with external sources precisely because what they were teaching was often insufficient to complete assignments.

We were forced to take so many useless courses that have had no effect on my education, but were overwhelmingly stressful. I had so many late nights studying for CS245. I cried more times than I'd like to admit as an adult because nothing they were teaching made sense AND across three professors teaching it, they were all teaching it differently with entirely different notation. And what for? What did I honestly learn from that class? Nothing. I'm ANGRY that having failed it, I was forced to pay well over $3k for this horribly mismanaged course that taught me nothing. I felt so much shame having to tell my parents again and again that I'd failed, that I'd wasted their money, and I didn't even have a good reason because others were passing fine. The only useful thing from it was some slight notation, which could have been covered in less than half a class of CS240, and that's all that I got out of the sheer misery of the experience.

And this isn't a unique experience, this happens time and time again, course after course, and even if the entire course isn't useless, probably at least some parts of it are.

I had economics classes where the professor gave no notes online, assigned a textbook that DID NOT COVER the curriculum (third year course, second year book), and when you actually went to class, he was exceptionally disorganized to the point of having to halt the lecture to look at the board and see where he made a mistake. It's unreasonable that I pay the amount I do, yet get so little support from the school in learning.

The cost tuition went up year after year. The cost of the co-op fee went up year after year, and yet not only did I not get more out of that, the quality of the courses either degraded or remained terrible.

I took a software req. class where we needed to draw up software specifications for a scenario they gave, but they didn't give any real idea of how to go about doing it. We had no clear idea of what we were even supposed to be doing big picture wise, all we were really taught was how to do small components of something. It was the equivalent of teaching someone how to nail two pieces of wood together, and then telling them to go build a house.

Classes weren't the only things that were terrible either. So many times during my co-op experience did I feel that CECA truly just did not give a shit. From CECA I got the exact bare minimum. I paid them $600 - $700 for 8 terms for them to do almost nothing. For the amount they were pulling in, JobMine should have had a better alternative much sooner. Seriously, I feel like they could have funded the development of a replacement in a year. Then when Waterloo Works came out, it was an absolute embarrassment. Especially for a school that champions itself as the best CS school in the country. Especially for a program that received so much student money.

We were forced to take PD courses while working 40 hours a week. These courses seemed so obviously like they were being used to list us as part time students so that the school could collect money from the government. I can't recall a single thing from PD classes that was useful or non-obvious. But yet I was forced to take them, and while it's easy to say "They're very short classes, they don't take much time at all to complete", that's all well and good, except if you're medicated for a learning disability in a country where that medicine is extremely expensive, and you're using that 40 hours of medicated time to work on a job that is the only thing you've found enjoyable in the past 5 years. (Oh, and it was also super fun having the insurance company provided through co-op tell me that they COULD in fact deny me coverage for medication based on a pre-existing condition, because what we had was technically travel insurance and not medical insurance).

I used to love learning, I wanted to know everything for the sake of knowing, and learn as much as I could. High school was a breeze for me, like many others here, but it wasn't a breeze because I was smart. It was a breeze because it was an environment that encouraged my learning, where making mistakes was a part of the process to learning and didn't necessitate stressing out and worrying about failure.

But UW has killed that passion for learning. I'm taking a CS course right now that, 4 years ago I would have gone home just to study because of how interesting it is, but now all I can do is the absolute bare minimum to pass because I can't work up the effort to care anymore. I feel like I've dealt with so much of the same, so much disappointment, so much frustration, I don't even know how to care any more. It worries me that this won't change once I graduate and get into the real world. The only comfort I have in that respect is that co-ops were amazing and I felt alive again, so I can only hope.

None of what I've said even speaks about the abysmal social environment of UW. I don't feel attached to this campus in any way. There are opportunities for social clubs and meetings, there are events that happen, but none of them feel like UW cares, it feels like things that are thrown together by students for students. There's a lot of other problems I have with the social environment here, but honestly, I feel like there are so many other things so wrong, I don't even want to put focus on that right now.

I know some people have read this far so they can get to the end and then immediately reply and tell me that I'm whining and complaining, and everything I've talked about has been blown out of proportion or isn't a big deal. Yeah, I can see how it looks like that that. I am whining, I've told myself that a thousand times, and a hundred times more by writing this. But these aren't all my problems that I've listed, many are small, many would have no effect if they were a one off. But a thousand small cuts take their toll. I don't have any other options but to whine anonymously online. There isn't a single thing that I can do about what I've said here. All I can do is keep my head down, try to finish the term without breaking down, and get my paper so I can leave.

I don't even have some point to wrap this up with. I'm just so burnt out. I'm so tired, so frustrated, and so beaten down. I don't regret coming here solely for the experiences I've been fortunate enough to have during co-op, but as far as the education and this school goes, I don't feel like I've gotten even a tenth of what I've paid for. I don't feel like the country has gotten a tenth of what their tax dollars paid towards my education.

UW will never see alumni donations from me. They'll never see me support this school, and call myself a proud graduate. I went here, but that's about all I can say.

Props if you read all that. I hope others had a lot better of an experience here than I did.

 

[uglyducking]

打分紧打分松的，阴谋论!

我看是在孩子上大学前把孩子推到了极限的恶果。

那谁谁说了，成功人士在读书时都是中上游水平，不拔尖也不垫底。