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这样的房子就不要买了！坚持自己的观点，不能听信任何其他人的话。
请教一个关于房子的问题，有点急
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买方自己提出要求，律师只管按用户要求写. 因为该律师不负责打官司.如果没有在amendment时加入新的condition，律师不给力。
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律师应该给没有经验的客户提供可行建议。
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我想当初如果卖方告知有漏水情况影响到了邻居的墙壁要做大的维修，我们就会想到水会不会流到二楼和一楼影响到我们的墙，这样的话买卖还会不会有就不知道了。因为卖方没有说，我们验房的时候没有看到内墙有异状，也就没去想那两个房间的夹墙是不是有问题，因为它们既不靠着洗手间，也不挨着厨房。我想这种情况下，验房师也很难看到问题。关键是卖方知道了一个可能会影响到自己要卖的房子的隐患却不说，这让我们对他的信任度打了折扣。现在由他请人维修一个我将要买的房子，过程中不允许看，不披露信息，就只在修好合拢之后给我一份报告说都修了，我在想我能完全相信这个报告吗？
谢谢，这回看到文章了。多谢提醒。
To Worm:
I totally understand your frustration but in current situation it's of your best interest to try to stay positive:
First, even with this leaking issue, you may still have made the right decision purchasing this house. Don't listen to those comments that since you already started to worry about the integrity of this house, you should totally give it up. No house (especially old house) can be free from issues so even if you thought you bought a perfect house, you would still start to experience issues (even serious ones) after you move in. Do you always have to regret your purchasing decision when those issues come out? Not necessarily! After all, the house may still have the good location, meet your family needs, and (even with all those issues and repair costs) still remains a good investment in the long run.
Second, it's actually much better for you to be able to identify this leaking issue before closing, so most (if not the total) cost of it repair remains the responsibility of the previous owner. Imagine if this leaking incident happens, or is only identified AFTER you move in, then you will have to pay to fix the damage to both your own house and your neighbour! Consider your self lucky because I've heard used house buyers start to experience serious leaking issues (flooding basement, dripping water from upper floor washroom, etc.) several months after they move in.
Third, although in order not to complicate the situation and slow down the selling process, the owner may chose not to mention the incident to you, or proactively inspect his house for possible leaks after that "leaking to neighbour" incident, he could still be a person whose clear promises you can trust. Will he try to collaborate with the repairing contractor to give you a wrong report which covers up the severity of leaking? Or will he break the promise that he will pay for the repair within one year after the closing? I doubt them. As your lawyer already pointed out, legally it's NOT his responsibility to disclaim that incident to you (because it seemed only impact his neighbour then), and whether he "should have known" that incident would affect his own house needs to be argued (after all, people may very well choose to remain passive and "pray for good" in similar situations).
Please do not become "more suspicious" against the owner because he refuses to let you inspect the working ground (you kept mentioning it so I assume that's what you dislike most now)..Trust me, most local people would refuse your request in similar situations. And frankly I don't quite understand why you want to do that? Are you the leaking expert yourself? What do you plan to do with your own observations? In Canada most people and especially the court TRUST professionals (until evidence shows that they are either unqualified or dishonest), so to them it's hard to understand why you refuse to trust a written report from the contractor (who after all could be held legally responsible for that report).
From my objective point of view, the owner seemed to be somewhat cooperative in allowing you to postpone the closing, You would feel much better and become more confident about your house closing if you now simply give the owner more "benefit of doubt" on what he is doing to fix the house and what he promised to help after the closing. Trust the owner and his contractor one more time won't actually hurt you (since you can still hold them legally accountable after closing), but will certainly make you less worried and stay positive.
I totally understand your frustration but in current situation it's of your best interest to try to stay positive:
First, even with this leaking issue, you may still have made the right decision purchasing this house. Don't listen to those comments that since you already started to worry about the integrity of this house, you should totally give it up. No house (especially old house) can be free from issues so even if you thought you bought a perfect house, you would still start to experience issues (even serious ones) after you move in. Do you always have to regret your purchasing decision when those issues come out? Not necessarily! After all, the house may still have the good location, meet your family needs, and (even with all those issues and repair costs) still remains a good investment in the long run.
Second, it's actually much better for you to be able to identify this leaking issue before closing, so most (if not the total) cost of it repair remains the responsibility of the previous owner. Imagine if this leaking incident happens, or is only identified AFTER you move in, then you will have to pay to fix the damage to both your own house and your neighbour! Consider your self lucky because I've heard used house buyers start to experience serious leaking issues (flooding basement, dripping water from upper floor washroom, etc.) several months after they move in.
Third, although in order not to complicate the situation and slow down the selling process, the owner may chose not to mention the incident to you, or proactively inspect his house for possible leaks after that "leaking to neighbour" incident, he could still be a person whose clear promises you can trust. Will he try to collaborate with the repairing contractor to give you a wrong report which covers up the severity of leaking? Or will he break the promise that he will pay for the repair within one year after the closing? I doubt them. As your lawyer already pointed out, legally it's NOT his responsibility to disclaim that incident to you (because it seemed only impact his neighbour then), and whether he "should have known" that incident would affect his own house needs to be argued (after all, people may very well choose to remain passive and "pray for good" in similar situations).
Please do not become "more suspicious" against the owner because he refuses to let you inspect the working ground (you kept mentioning it so I assume that's what you dislike most now)..Trust me, most local people would refuse your request in similar situations. And frankly I don't quite understand why you want to do that? Are you the leaking expert yourself? What do you plan to do with your own observations? In Canada most people and especially the court TRUST professionals (until evidence shows that they are either unqualified or dishonest), so to them it's hard to understand why you refuse to trust a written report from the contractor (who after all could be held legally responsible for that report).
From my objective point of view, the owner seemed to be somewhat cooperative in allowing you to postpone the closing, You would feel much better and become more confident about your house closing if you now simply give the owner more "benefit of doubt" on what he is doing to fix the house and what he promised to help after the closing. Trust the owner and his contractor one more time won't actually hurt you (since you can still hold them legally accountable after closing), but will certainly make you less worried and stay positive.
除了自己买过也卖过房子外，俺根本和房地产界不沾边。你不用这么阴阳怪气。
楼主急需的是一个解决方案，不是“这房子不能要了”或“赶紧毁约要押金”之类的喧嚣。几年前CFC有一位女士就曾被类似的不负责任忽悠害得草率拒绝closing，最后六万押金血本无归。加国法律保护买家利益，但绝不是通过允许买家签约后随便毁约的方式。
目前明摆着楼主不敢毁约，也不愿意入住后再花精力打官司，那请问他最好的对策是什么？如果你想拿这个人当朋友，该不该给他多点信心和安慰？毕竟，漏水是个大问题，但老房子甚至新房子漏水的不少，修好了它仍可能是一处不错的房子。带着很坏的心情入住又何必呢？那是你的新家啊！
如今隐患被提前发现，房主承诺花钱修好而且一年内负责，楼主如相信他们，又何必太担心？如果不相信，请问又当如何？法律上不可能因为你说“我不再信任你了”就允许你毁约的
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据说为此老向屡次晕倒在rcmp的parking lot里，老闹心了。
老向看问题是很特别的，基本是普通大众同情的他就唱反调。试图保持清醒。
好吧。 关于楼主这个case只能见招拆招了， tiank的建议很中肯，楼主好好看看。
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agreed.
