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有懂选举政治的没？非公民可不可以参加投票？
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哈哈。
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既然左派认为俄国间谍这么多，那么选举应当更加慎重，
哥要是左派党首（可惜不是哈哈，那位子，不是帅哥，还真当不了）。
我肯定要求投票时出示多件带相片的身份证明，反复核查避免任何可钻的空子。
偏生，最反俄国间谍的左派，偏偏要放松选举身份核实。这分明就是给外国间谍，打开干扰加拿大民主选举的方便之门。看来支持此举的，按照逻辑，肯定是俄国间谍或者间谍家属没跑了。质疑这一法案，倾向从严审核身份的，当然是爱国者。不言自明。
其实，视频里说得很清楚了。我不赘述了。
我看稀土在这里装傻，无非就是。
哥要是左派党首（可惜不是哈哈，那位子，不是帅哥，还真当不了）。
我肯定要求投票时出示多件带相片的身份证明，反复核查避免任何可钻的空子。
偏生，最反俄国间谍的左派，偏偏要放松选举身份核实。这分明就是给外国间谍，打开干扰加拿大民主选举的方便之门。看来支持此举的，按照逻辑，肯定是俄国间谍或者间谍家属没跑了。质疑这一法案，倾向从严审核身份的，当然是爱国者。不言自明。
其实，视频里说得很清楚了。我不赘述了。
我看稀土在这里装傻，无非就是。
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Concern over possible voter fraud continues in light of the Trudeau government’s plans to weaken voter integrity measures that could make it easier for non-citizens to vote in the 2019 federal election.
“Liberal election Bill C-76 will change the law so that voter registration cards are legal forms of voter ID once again,” said Conservative Sen. Linda Frum on Twitter.
A potential voter would, under the proposed legislation, now be allowed to show the voter ID card as a piece of identification at the polls. Elections Canada has told the Sun that it would be up to the Chief Electoral Officer whether the voter ID card would be allowed as the sole piece of identification. The current CEO, according to Elections Canada, has indicated that would not be the case. But, under Bill C-76, such a change would not be against the law.
The Liberals’ Bill C-76 is an omnibus bill that, among other measures, seeks to reverse the previous government’s Fair Elections Act and undo the Conservative safeguards implemented to ensure greater integrity in our elections system.
Concern over possible voter fraud continues in light of the Trudeau government’s plans to weaken voter integrity measures that could make it easier for non-citizens to vote in the 2019 federal election.
“Liberal election Bill C-76 will change the law so that voter registration cards are legal forms of voter ID once again,” said Conservative Sen. Linda Frum on Twitter.
A potential voter would, under the proposed legislation, now be allowed to show the voter ID card as a piece of identification at the polls. Elections Canada has told the Sun that it would be up to the Chief Electoral Officer whether the voter ID card would be allowed as the sole piece of identification. The current CEO, according to Elections Canada, has indicated that would not be the case. But, under Bill C-76, such a change would not be against the law.
The Liberals’ Bill C-76 is an omnibus bill that, among other measures, seeks to reverse the previous government’s Fair Elections Act and undo the Conservative safeguards implemented to ensure greater integrity in our elections system.
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Bill C-76 Opens 'Opportunity' For Foreign Governments To Influence Canadian Elections, Senators Told
But Canada's chief electoral officer called it an "essential reform."
PARLVU
David Frum, a Canadian expat who works as a staff writer for The Atlantic in the U.S., speaks to the Senate's legal and constitutional affairs committee on Nov. 29, 2018.
OTTAWA — More Canadians living abroad should not be allowed to vote, a Senate committee heard Thursday, because hostile foreign governments might use their mail-in ballots to fraudulently influence federal elections.
Speaking to the upper chamber's legal and constitutional affairs committee, expat U.S.-based journalist David Frum told his sister, Conservative Sen. Linda Frum, and her colleagues that while he doesn't fear the U.S. government will try to influence the Canadian election, he does believe thousands of Canadians who live in non-democratic societies could be used by the local governments there to try to influence the Canadian vote.
"Given the inevitable defects of ballot security outside of Canada, ... you could, if you expand the population from the current few tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands or millions of ballots being cast outside of Canada ... create an opportunity, for governments that have very focused foreign policies interested in affecting other countries — Canada very much on that list — to use pressure on voters, maybe even fraud on their ballots, because those ballots can't, I mean ... your security measures will never keep pace with the interventions that foreign governments can imagine and can create.
PHILLIP FARAONE VIA GETTY IMAGES
U.S.-based journalist David Frum argued to a Senate committee that allowing more Canadians abroad to vote in elections at home can open an "opportunity" for interference from foreign governments.
"You will be creating opportunity for those governments to use Canadian elections as an opportunity to shape the Canadian governments they deal with."
Expat voting is a problem whether people are outside of Canada for short periods of time or are long-term residents abroad, he added, but with "short term you are dealing with a relatively small number of ballots that are probably not outcome-altering."
Frum's sister and Sen. Denise Batters have been arguing for several weeks that the federal Liberals' election modernization bill, which extends expat voting to Canadians living outside Canada for more than five years, could open the floodgates for millions of citizens, with no current connection to the country, to pick the next government.
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Senator Linda Frum
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Favourite Senate Legal Committee witness ever. Will post shortly @davidfrum warnings against the inadequacies of Bill C76 to protect Canadian elections from foreign interference
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"All of this is being done quietly, presented as technical changes with very little scrutiny by Parliament or the media," Linda Frum said in the Senate earlier this month. "Let me repeat: We are potentially, increasing the number of voters in the next Canadian election by more than the number of votes cast in the four Atlantic provinces in the 2015 election."
Her brother suggested Thursday that the question of expat voting and its consequences was not sufficiently considered during the bill's review. Hardening of the electoral system should be mission No. 1 for every democratic country, he said.
"A hostile foreign power is less likely to come at you with rockets and tanks than ever before, and more likely to come at you with these new means and to try to shape your government," Frum testified. "The whole point of war is to change the will of the antagonist opposite. What if you could change the will without the expense and risk of war but just by operating directly on the voting system of that country?"
Canada won't be immune from cyber threats against elections: expert
Scott Jones, the head of Canadian Centre for Cyber Security at the Communications Security Establishment told senators on Wednesday that while the risks of expat voting in places identified by senators as China, Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia are an "obvious concern," his organization works with Elections Canada to verify that people on the other end of the computer registering for mail-in ballots are indeed who they say they are. "That is one of the things we are always looking at when we do cyber security."
Still, Jones did note that CSE believes Canada won't be immune from cyber threat activity against its elections.
Conservatives have long opposed expanding the right of expats to vote.
Following an Ontario court ruling in 2014 that reversed a law barring those living outside Canada for more than five years from casting an absentee ballot, the Tories introduced a bill that sought to limit the right of potentially 1.4 million expats to vote.
The bill was later abandoned in committee. But the Conservatives successfully appealed the ruling at the Federal Court of Appeal. The case, known as Frank v. Canada, is now awaiting a Supreme Court decision.
"A hostile foreign power is less likely to come at you with rockets and tanks than ever before, and more likely to come at you with these new means and to try to shape your government.Journalist David Frum
Measures included in the Liberals' new election bill, however, would make that decision moot by clearly restating the intentions of Parliament on the issue.
In 2014, HuffPost studied the voting patterns of a group of special ballot voters – Canadian expats, convicts and Canadian Forces members living abroad who are all lumped together in one category – and found the Tories' effort to curb expat voting might hurt the Liberals.
The data showed that in key urban ridings in the Greater Toronto Area the group had overwhelmingly supported the Liberal party during the 2011 election.
On Wednesday, senators on the committee asked Elections Canada to tell them where — in what ridings — the 14,000 special ballot voters from the 2015 election had cast a ballot.
"I'm not sure why you think it would be confidential which particular ridings the 14,000 non-resident Canadians voted in in 2015," Batters told Stéphane Perrault, the chief electoral officer. "Whether a riding was close doesn't indicate who those particular people voted for. Frankly, I don't think that should have any bearing," she said.
"The riding I worked very hard in during the last campaign was Regina–Lewvan. It had a result of only 100 and some vote difference. The NDP won that riding. It was heavily targeted by Lead Now. Given their foreign influence ties, I think that it's highly relevant to know how many potentially non-resident Canadians voted in that particular riding."
Feds being 'dangerously naive' about foreign meddling: senator
Perrault said he saw no problem with releasing the data unless it came down to one vote cast. "I'm prepared to go back, and if there is information that I can provide on that I'd be happy to do that."
While the Tories have raised the spectre that millions of new voters may be added to the rolls in 2019, Perrault told HuffPost Canada that, based on U.S. data, he estimates that only 30,000 additional Canadians will exercise their new right to vote.
Watch: Trudeau says 2019 election will be nastiest ever — story continues below video
Sen. Frum said she believes many parts of the bill show the government is "dangerously naive" about the potential of foreign influence in the electoral process. Her brother noted how the Brexit referendum in the United Kingdom was financed by Russian money.
On Wednesday, she and Batters also took issue with the ability of a rich expat celebrity to mount a campaign outside of Canada to try to influence the election.
"We could be talking about a multimillionaire celebrity rock star, born in Canada but who has lived in the U.S. for a decade, hates pipelines, decides to fund a free concert, [an] anti-pipeline rally at Madison Square Garden, and potentially influence thousands of non-resident Canadians to vote in a certain way in this election," Batters told Perrault. "Why aren't you concerned about that massive loophole in this bill?"
SEAN KILPATRICK/THE CANADIAN PRESS
Stephane Perrault (left), Chief Electoral Officer of Canada, and Yves Cote, Commissioner of Canada Elections, appear as witness for a Committee of the Whole regarding Bill C-76 in the Senate on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Nov. 6, 2018.
Perrault told the committee that in such a scenario, the Canadian living abroad would be subject to the same third party rules as those living inside Canada, if he or she promotes a particular candidate or party.
Holding a rock concert to lobby for a general issue, such as pipelines, might escape Elections Canada scrutiny.
Linda Frum believes those cases should be part of third party spending caps and that Canadian election activities should be legal only if they take place in Canada.
"Elections Canada can only enforce election law inside of Canada. Spending limits can only be monitored from inside Canada," she told HuffPost. "Either we're serious about tackling this problem or not. Bill C76 is not serious. And I'm disturbed that neither the Chief Electoral Officer nor the Commissioner of Elections has sounded the bell on this."
Sen. Frum did get Perrault to acknowledge that a part of a bill that explicitly allows a foreign government to declare its support for a political party or candidate — such as when U.S. President Bill Clinton announced during the 1995 Quebec referendum a preference for a united Canada — was a odd part of the bill.
Bill C-76 is an essential reform, and I hope to see it become law soon.Stéphane Perrault, chief electoral officer
"I think that foreign governments should keep out of Canadian elections, obviously," he told her. "That's my firm belief."
Frum and her Conservative colleagues are expected to table several amendments to the election bill — although Perrault warned time is running out to change a bill that he considers a vast improvement over the current law.
"Although it could undoubtedly be further improved, Bill C-76 is an essential reform, and I hope to see it become law soon," he told senators Wednesday. "Time is critical."
Implementing the bill requires changes to 20 of the various IT services that are used during an election, he said. And "there are considerable risks in introducing last minute changes to these systems if there is not enough time to thoroughly test them before any electoral event."
Feds tabled bill late in electoral cycle
Elections Canada wants to begin in January to test the systems, with a field simulation in March or April to leave time for any adjustments. "I urge you to keep these dates in mind as you study this important bill."
"I am worried that we won't have a bill," he said. "Or no law in a timely matter.'
Sen. Frum said she was "not optimistic" the Tories' changes will be accepted "no matter how reasonable or necessary they are.
The Liberals' bill was tabled extremely late in the electoral cycle — at the end of April, the date the chief electoral officer had suggested was the absolute deadline for passing the legislation.
"The pressure to pass it in time for the next election is immense — regardless of glaring flaws and omissions," Frum said. "It's another case of very poor management by the Liberals. The legislation will have to be reviewed again no matter who wins the next election."
Bill C-76 Opens 'Opportunity' For Foreign Governments To Influence Canadian Elections, Senators Told
But Canada's chief electoral officer called it an "essential reform."
PARLVU
David Frum, a Canadian expat who works as a staff writer for The Atlantic in the U.S., speaks to the Senate's legal and constitutional affairs committee on Nov. 29, 2018.
OTTAWA — More Canadians living abroad should not be allowed to vote, a Senate committee heard Thursday, because hostile foreign governments might use their mail-in ballots to fraudulently influence federal elections.
Speaking to the upper chamber's legal and constitutional affairs committee, expat U.S.-based journalist David Frum told his sister, Conservative Sen. Linda Frum, and her colleagues that while he doesn't fear the U.S. government will try to influence the Canadian election, he does believe thousands of Canadians who live in non-democratic societies could be used by the local governments there to try to influence the Canadian vote.
"Given the inevitable defects of ballot security outside of Canada, ... you could, if you expand the population from the current few tens of thousands to hundreds of thousands or millions of ballots being cast outside of Canada ... create an opportunity, for governments that have very focused foreign policies interested in affecting other countries — Canada very much on that list — to use pressure on voters, maybe even fraud on their ballots, because those ballots can't, I mean ... your security measures will never keep pace with the interventions that foreign governments can imagine and can create.
PHILLIP FARAONE VIA GETTY IMAGES
U.S.-based journalist David Frum argued to a Senate committee that allowing more Canadians abroad to vote in elections at home can open an "opportunity" for interference from foreign governments.
"You will be creating opportunity for those governments to use Canadian elections as an opportunity to shape the Canadian governments they deal with."
Expat voting is a problem whether people are outside of Canada for short periods of time or are long-term residents abroad, he added, but with "short term you are dealing with a relatively small number of ballots that are probably not outcome-altering."
Frum's sister and Sen. Denise Batters have been arguing for several weeks that the federal Liberals' election modernization bill, which extends expat voting to Canadians living outside Canada for more than five years, could open the floodgates for millions of citizens, with no current connection to the country, to pick the next government.
View image on Twitter
Senator Linda Frum
✔@LindaFrum
https://twitter.com/LindaFrum/status/1068187187697590273
Favourite Senate Legal Committee witness ever. Will post shortly @davidfrum warnings against the inadequacies of Bill C76 to protect Canadian elections from foreign interference
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11:57 AM - Nov 29, 2018
18 people are talking about this
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"All of this is being done quietly, presented as technical changes with very little scrutiny by Parliament or the media," Linda Frum said in the Senate earlier this month. "Let me repeat: We are potentially, increasing the number of voters in the next Canadian election by more than the number of votes cast in the four Atlantic provinces in the 2015 election."
Her brother suggested Thursday that the question of expat voting and its consequences was not sufficiently considered during the bill's review. Hardening of the electoral system should be mission No. 1 for every democratic country, he said.
"A hostile foreign power is less likely to come at you with rockets and tanks than ever before, and more likely to come at you with these new means and to try to shape your government," Frum testified. "The whole point of war is to change the will of the antagonist opposite. What if you could change the will without the expense and risk of war but just by operating directly on the voting system of that country?"
Canada won't be immune from cyber threats against elections: expert
Scott Jones, the head of Canadian Centre for Cyber Security at the Communications Security Establishment told senators on Wednesday that while the risks of expat voting in places identified by senators as China, Russia, Iran and Saudi Arabia are an "obvious concern," his organization works with Elections Canada to verify that people on the other end of the computer registering for mail-in ballots are indeed who they say they are. "That is one of the things we are always looking at when we do cyber security."
Still, Jones did note that CSE believes Canada won't be immune from cyber threat activity against its elections.
Conservatives have long opposed expanding the right of expats to vote.
Following an Ontario court ruling in 2014 that reversed a law barring those living outside Canada for more than five years from casting an absentee ballot, the Tories introduced a bill that sought to limit the right of potentially 1.4 million expats to vote.
The bill was later abandoned in committee. But the Conservatives successfully appealed the ruling at the Federal Court of Appeal. The case, known as Frank v. Canada, is now awaiting a Supreme Court decision.
"A hostile foreign power is less likely to come at you with rockets and tanks than ever before, and more likely to come at you with these new means and to try to shape your government.Journalist David Frum
Measures included in the Liberals' new election bill, however, would make that decision moot by clearly restating the intentions of Parliament on the issue.
In 2014, HuffPost studied the voting patterns of a group of special ballot voters – Canadian expats, convicts and Canadian Forces members living abroad who are all lumped together in one category – and found the Tories' effort to curb expat voting might hurt the Liberals.
The data showed that in key urban ridings in the Greater Toronto Area the group had overwhelmingly supported the Liberal party during the 2011 election.
On Wednesday, senators on the committee asked Elections Canada to tell them where — in what ridings — the 14,000 special ballot voters from the 2015 election had cast a ballot.
"I'm not sure why you think it would be confidential which particular ridings the 14,000 non-resident Canadians voted in in 2015," Batters told Stéphane Perrault, the chief electoral officer. "Whether a riding was close doesn't indicate who those particular people voted for. Frankly, I don't think that should have any bearing," she said.
"The riding I worked very hard in during the last campaign was Regina–Lewvan. It had a result of only 100 and some vote difference. The NDP won that riding. It was heavily targeted by Lead Now. Given their foreign influence ties, I think that it's highly relevant to know how many potentially non-resident Canadians voted in that particular riding."
Feds being 'dangerously naive' about foreign meddling: senator
Perrault said he saw no problem with releasing the data unless it came down to one vote cast. "I'm prepared to go back, and if there is information that I can provide on that I'd be happy to do that."
While the Tories have raised the spectre that millions of new voters may be added to the rolls in 2019, Perrault told HuffPost Canada that, based on U.S. data, he estimates that only 30,000 additional Canadians will exercise their new right to vote.
Watch: Trudeau says 2019 election will be nastiest ever — story continues below video
Sen. Frum said she believes many parts of the bill show the government is "dangerously naive" about the potential of foreign influence in the electoral process. Her brother noted how the Brexit referendum in the United Kingdom was financed by Russian money.
On Wednesday, she and Batters also took issue with the ability of a rich expat celebrity to mount a campaign outside of Canada to try to influence the election.
"We could be talking about a multimillionaire celebrity rock star, born in Canada but who has lived in the U.S. for a decade, hates pipelines, decides to fund a free concert, [an] anti-pipeline rally at Madison Square Garden, and potentially influence thousands of non-resident Canadians to vote in a certain way in this election," Batters told Perrault. "Why aren't you concerned about that massive loophole in this bill?"
SEAN KILPATRICK/THE CANADIAN PRESS
Stephane Perrault (left), Chief Electoral Officer of Canada, and Yves Cote, Commissioner of Canada Elections, appear as witness for a Committee of the Whole regarding Bill C-76 in the Senate on Parliament Hill in Ottawa on Nov. 6, 2018.
Perrault told the committee that in such a scenario, the Canadian living abroad would be subject to the same third party rules as those living inside Canada, if he or she promotes a particular candidate or party.
Holding a rock concert to lobby for a general issue, such as pipelines, might escape Elections Canada scrutiny.
Linda Frum believes those cases should be part of third party spending caps and that Canadian election activities should be legal only if they take place in Canada.
"Elections Canada can only enforce election law inside of Canada. Spending limits can only be monitored from inside Canada," she told HuffPost. "Either we're serious about tackling this problem or not. Bill C76 is not serious. And I'm disturbed that neither the Chief Electoral Officer nor the Commissioner of Elections has sounded the bell on this."
Sen. Frum did get Perrault to acknowledge that a part of a bill that explicitly allows a foreign government to declare its support for a political party or candidate — such as when U.S. President Bill Clinton announced during the 1995 Quebec referendum a preference for a united Canada — was a odd part of the bill.
Bill C-76 is an essential reform, and I hope to see it become law soon.Stéphane Perrault, chief electoral officer
"I think that foreign governments should keep out of Canadian elections, obviously," he told her. "That's my firm belief."
Frum and her Conservative colleagues are expected to table several amendments to the election bill — although Perrault warned time is running out to change a bill that he considers a vast improvement over the current law.
"Although it could undoubtedly be further improved, Bill C-76 is an essential reform, and I hope to see it become law soon," he told senators Wednesday. "Time is critical."
Implementing the bill requires changes to 20 of the various IT services that are used during an election, he said. And "there are considerable risks in introducing last minute changes to these systems if there is not enough time to thoroughly test them before any electoral event."
Feds tabled bill late in electoral cycle
Elections Canada wants to begin in January to test the systems, with a field simulation in March or April to leave time for any adjustments. "I urge you to keep these dates in mind as you study this important bill."
"I am worried that we won't have a bill," he said. "Or no law in a timely matter.'
Sen. Frum said she was "not optimistic" the Tories' changes will be accepted "no matter how reasonable or necessary they are.
The Liberals' bill was tabled extremely late in the electoral cycle — at the end of April, the date the chief electoral officer had suggested was the absolute deadline for passing the legislation.
"The pressure to pass it in time for the next election is immense — regardless of glaring flaws and omissions," Frum said. "It's another case of very poor management by the Liberals. The legislation will have to be reviewed again no matter who wins the next election."
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加拿大公民应该有公民卡吧，带照片的黄色的那种。没有的话也得申请一个吧，不然怎么对的上号啊。
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要我看，百姓和国家都没有真正把投票当回事。如果百姓把投票当回事，就不会有那么低的投票率。如果国家把投票当回事，就应该：强制公民投票，每个公民有一个FREE的PHOTO投票卡，投票日放假去投票。
