政府"救"公司，到底还是成功不了

[GuardianAngel]

http://nationalpost.com/diane-franc...-end/wcm/690d8dbc-df75-42e6-ba41-c14b42db95c9

 

[GuardianAngel]

Bombardier Inc. is where tax money goes to die.

Of all the Liberal boondoggles to benefit Quebec and party faithful, the serial subsidization of the fabulously wealthy Beaudoin-Bombardier family ranks highest. Since 1966, it’s estimated Bombardier has received nearly $4 billion in bailout money from both provincial and federal governments, according to the Montreal Economic Institute, and received another $11 billion in Export Development Canada (EDC) loans to help its customers buy their planes and rail cars.

 

[GuardianAngel]

like most other federal agencies in Canada, the EDC president and board members are appointed by the Government of Canada, and report to Parliament through the Minister for International Trade. Some transactions are public, but others are not for competitive reasons.

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This should never have been allowed.

And now taxpayers know why. A report in the Washington Post reveals that $41-million worth of EDC funding for a current Bombardier railway project found its way into the hands of a partner, a tainted family in South Africa, to buy a fancy Bombardier private jet for their personal use. The financing was intended to help the company win a rail contract.

Around the same time, an SNC-Lavalin whistleblower alleged that some of the $4-billion plus EDC funds earmarked for SNC-Lavalin were used for bribes.

These revelations have resulted in pledges by the EDC to investigate the allegations, but that’s unacceptable. The EDC cannot investigate itself and should be subjected to independent investigation by a judge or prosecutor who is thoroughly vetted for conflicts of interest.

The agency says the claim from the insider has prompted it to hire outside legal counsel to review at least one former deal with SNC-Lavalin.


The gravy train nexus between the EDC and favoured clients such as Bombardier, SNC and others must end. From now on, all transactions should be disclosed in real time, and all clients’ names and projects going back to 1966 should be published.

 

[GuardianAngel]

The existence of a secretive EDC is not in the national interest.

Now one of the EDC’s biggest clients, Bombardier, is awash in controversy. The World Bank is threatening to ban Bombardier over Azerbaijan corruption allegations. And scandals have arisen around Bombardier in Brazil, as well as South Africa, involving sales of rail cars.

The company’s expensive CSeries planes, now the Airbus A220, have been troubled from the outset.

In October 2015, Quebec injected $1 billion directly into the CSeries program after Bombardier took a $3.2 billion write-down on the program. At the same time, Bombardier asked the Canadian government for “financial assistance.” That’s when Scotiabank analysts revealed the CSeries program would need another bailout in “12-18 months” and may never turn a profit.

In April 2016, talks for another bailout began and by February 2017 Bombardier received a repayable loan of $372 million from the Canadian government.

 

[RareEarth]

和当初不救北电一样，都是傻叉逻辑。米国当年也是犯同样的错误，如果救了朗讯，又何至于搞到没有一家本土5G供应商。现在全力打华为，不过是在帮爱诺3星做嫁衣。没有一个先进国家能完全不补贴科技企业。补贴公司本身的钱或许会有账面损失。但只要企业能占住脚，它会拉动科技研发制造服务整条产业链。创造数倍的工作机会和国家税收收入，有巨大的社会效益。是否补贴根本不是问题，问题在于如何补贴。

进一步讲，发达国家都面对高收入陷阱。所以不但高技术企业，就是中等制造业也应该适度补贴。不然必被去工业化，沦为空心国家，再想重新工业化就是不可能完成的任务。当年米国取消造船业补贴前，其民船工业占世界市场15%分额。取消补贴后，米国民船工业和相关产业链完全跨掉，几十万工人被下岗。由于产业链被削弱，军品研发制造成本大幅上升，补贴上省的钱又流失出去，国家财政实际上没有赚到什么。国家工业实力的流失更是无可挽回。对于那些面对去工业化恶果，至今抱着新自由主义观点反对政府干预的人，只能说他们 stupid stupid stupid

 

[ccc]

不救，一旦死掉，就永远回不来了，就如同北电。

救汽车工业，忘记了?那还不是加拿大企业呢。

 

[rottenmelon]

没办法，加拿大政府对基建不上心，短期看不到效益还要花好多钱，万一做不到连任就是为别的党派做嫁衣。。。所以就是恶性循环，宁肯派糖买选票也不肯花钱搞实业。

 

[New Person]

cooperation welfare.

 

[金陵]

不要算小帐，眼光放远一点。这是国家在挽救自己的一个产业，扶持自己的儿子，将来会有回报的。
政府不仅要扶持自己的产业，国家情报部门还要尽到责任，保护自己国家的知识产权。

 

[向问天]

不要算小帐，眼光放远一点。这是国家在挽救自己的一个产业，扶持自己的儿子，将来会有回报的。
政府不仅要扶持自己的产业，国家情报部门还要尽到责任，保护自己国家的知识产权。

也有儿子一辈子没出息的。

 

[金陵]

也有儿子一辈子没出息的。

对，中国政府扶了四个儿子，只有两个儿子出来的，一个有出息。只要一个有出息，国家的产业链就起来了。
你的意思是加拿大应该多补贴一些同类公司，然后看哪个有出息？

 

[地坛北里]

真要落到只有卖木头，石油，农副产品.....的份上，退出工业國？

 

[gocanoeing]

真要取消任何企业补贴，包括出口贷款（有可能但不一定是补贴），那必须要全世界所有国家都这么做，不然最后就是只有中国有制造业了

这种打着省钱的旗号最后却可能多花钱或者损失更多钱的观点和做法，是保守党对加拿大的最大危害

 

[GuardianAngel]

好像没一个人看报道啊，报道说的是，政府给出去的钱被用来贿赂，和帮非洲某部落首领（？）买飞机。还有，就是政府的借出去的钱很有完全收不回来的风险。

 

[uglyducking]

好像没一个人看报道啊，报道说的是，政府给出去的钱被用来贿赂，和帮非洲某部落首领（？）买飞机。还有，就是政府的借出去的钱很有完全收不回来的风险。

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