谁看了今晚城市电视的台湾整点新闻？

[northernwolf]

最初由 msft 发布


The problem is they don't think you are 股东.

Mainland and Taiwan, are like 2 brothers. The younger wants to officially cut his connection with the elder. What will you do to deal with it?

The way they don't thing we Chinese people are the 股东 can't change the fact that we really are.

Mainland and Taiwan are not two brothers, but the whole body and one foot, which can't be separated. The foot is infected by some bacteria that causes some trouble of the body.

 

[northernwolf]

最初由 msft 发布


Want to get Taiwan back without a war? If PRC is really serious about this island, serious about the people's lives, serious about the completeness of China, we should respect them first, make the negotiation between 2 equal governments, but under one China umbrella. That's the only possible way.

Yes, I believe 99% of all Chinese people are serious about taiwan province and its people. We respected them before, now and in future. But you can only negotiate with a sincere local government, not the current A-bian government. if there's a war in near future, the taiwan local government is to blame.

 

[光辉岁月]

我靠，我服了你们！台湾还没成为美国的一个州呢，你们已经迫不及待地放弃中文了。

荷兰人来了，投降！明朝余党来了，投降！清朝大辫子来了，投降！日本人来了，投降！国民党残军败将来了，投降！然后说爱好自由！
国会辩论拳打脚踢，光碟横行肆意诽谤，说这是民主！

操他妈的，把中国人惹急了，爱谁谁！你的美国干爹到时候敢动一动，照样打丫的。五十年前，我们没打完，现在再来，怕他们？呸！

本来，大陆也没说要把台湾如何如何，你们这帮丫的非要来点事儿。那你们只好准备用鲜血和生命捍卫“自由和民主”了，没办法。告诉你们一个事实，如果台湾独立，大陆执政党不打，它马上就得下台。你还别不服，97%大陆人支持动武。

 

[淼]

最初由 光辉岁月 发布
告诉你们一个事实，如果台湾独立，大陆执政党不打，它马上就得下台。你还别不服，97%大陆人支持动武。

Hopefully CCP would not disappoint you.

Just curious how did you get the figure 97%?

 

[一把手]

最初由 northernwolf 发布


But you can only negotiate with a sincere local government, not the current A-bian government.

Look, this is the root cause. CCP is afraid of treating them as an ROC government.

CCP thinks ROC is gone. But it is not. Don't fool Chinese people. Did PLA liberate Taiwan? No.

Yes, ROC government only controls one island of China, but it does not mean it no longer exists. ROC is not eradicated, yet. Until PLA leberates it or ROC surrenders itself.

I don't support Taiwan or ROC, but in order to resolve the problem, we need to face the fact and resolve it reasonablly.

 

[northernwolf]

最初由 msft 发布


Look, this is the root cause. CCP is afraid of treating them as an ROC government.

CCP thinks ROC is gone. But it is not. Don't fool Chinese people. Did PLA liberate Taiwan? No.

Yes, ROC government only controls one island of China, but it does not mean it no longer exists. ROC is not eradicated, yet. Until PLA leberates it or ROC surrenders itself.

I don't support Taiwan or ROC, but in order to resolve the problem, we need to face the fact and resolve it reasonablly.

不是大陆不想和台湾谈判。而是台湾现政府根本没有诚意。连自己是中国人都不承认。和他们谈判不是浪费时间吗？

 

[OOZ]

最初由 msft 发布


Look, this is the root cause. CCP is afraid of treating them as an ROC government.

CCP thinks ROC is gone. But it is not. Don't fool Chinese people. Did PLA liberate Taiwan? No.

Yes, ROC government only controls one island of China, but it does not mean it no longer exists. ROC is not eradicated, yet. Until PLA leberates it or ROC surrenders itself.

I don't support Taiwan or ROC, but in order to resolve the problem, we need to face the fact and resolve it reasonablly.

Well, do you have your own proposal for reasonable resolution?
Don't tell me it's let taiwan independent first, then negotiate with
them like north korea and south korea.

There's no right and wrong in politics, there's only gain and loss.
So stop trying to help "tai du" step by step. Don't you see that
your opinion is so close to theirs, though you claim that you are
not one of them. If it's like what you says, you are not one of them,
then prove it.

On the point, China government has given a lot of chances to Taiwan
governers. So what we all realize now is playing tough on them is
the best way. Because they won't give up their purpose of being independent if they don't see a war. I believe that's most of our
13 billion people can see now.

You can leave China, but not with even one inch of land.

 

[一把手]

A) You are either misled by CCP's propaganda or you are part of the propaganda.

B) Don't always talk, fight. Wait can only push Taiwan away. Even if they don't do it now, they will do it later. This is a game. They are fooling PRC. Threat does notwork. Negotiate or fight. Go ahead, liberate them, NOW.

 

[一把手]

最初由 northernwolf 发布


But you can only negotiate with a sincere local government

Why only local?

 

[Broken Arrow]

hmm, many people who don't agree with you here were labeled "brain washed by ccp". That's a rather handy sticker to throw around, isn't it?

Does it ever come to your mind that maybe, just maybe, you were brain washed by some kind of "propaganda" too?

最初由 msft 发布
A) You are either misled by CCP's propaganda or you are part of the propaganda.

B) Don't always talk, fight. Wait can only push Taiwan away. Even if they don't do it now, they will do it later. This is a game. They are fooling PRC. Threat does notwork. Negotiate or fight. Go ahead, liberate them, NOW.

 

[panzer]

最初由 光辉岁月 发布
我靠，......操他妈的，把中国人惹急了，爱谁谁！......呸！.....

很多中国人不这么说话，如果是你急了，就说自己急了，不要随便用“中国人”和“97%”这样的修饰，对了，那3%都是谁？要不要先把他们“爱谁谁”？

 

[jobs]

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最初由 光辉岁月 发布
我靠，......操他妈的，把中国人惹急了，爱谁谁！......呸！.....
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Sure,光辉岁月 is the shame of Chinese.
:flaming:

 

[观雨]

辱骂和狡辩都是人们表达的方式，还有飞机大炮。
起码血性的贴子胜过无病呻吟，有人口诛笔伐，有人刺刀见红！
还是让事实说话吧。

 

[十里马]

最初由 panzer 发布


很多中国人不这么说话，如果是你急了，就说自己急了，不要随便用“中国人”和“97%”这样的修饰，对了，那3%都是谁？要不要先把他们“爱谁谁”？

那3%肯定有你.
这几天就看你在这里阴阳怪气的.
是不是你那好不容易拼凑了十万大洋开的摊子被取消了不爽?

 

[光辉岁月]

jobs, 我不明白为什么我是shame of Chinese. 望指教。

在台湾希望独立的人总是说大陆是否考虑他们的感受，但是我反问一句，你们考虑过大陆人民的感受吗？台湾是中国领土，这是中国与所有国家建交的前提，也是为国际所认可的准则。如果说因为现在大陆太穷，你们不愿意统一，大家可以维持现状，直到你们认为可以统一的一天。当然，也许有一天，大陆分崩离析，台湾自然而独立，那是天亡我中华，无话可说。但是，如果现在台湾就提出独立，挑战全体中国大陆人民的感情，那也许只有战争一条路了。这无关共产党或者共产主义，而是大陆13亿人民是否接受的问题，你可以去北京，上海或中国任一城市的街头作一下调查，看看有几个人支持台湾独立。所以，不要带上CCP，这是中国人民的感情问题。

台湾是不是中国的领土？你可以说自己不是中国人，但是任何人都无法改变台湾是中国领土这一事实，<开罗宣言>承认这一事实，蒋介石也承认这一事实，现在与中国大陆建交的壹佰多个国家也承认这一事实，包括美国和日本。你可以离开台湾，但是，请留下中国的土地。

中共威胁台湾？请看一下近二十年的台海冲突，哪一次不是“台独”分子首先滋事，中国可曾对台湾有一点点的报复行动？没有。每一次，我们严正指责台独，但大陆高层尽量克制。如果某些人认为容忍是懦弱，你可以宣布台独试试。这好比以色列的军人容忍巴勒斯坦的小孩向他们的坦克投掷石块，不是不敢打，也不是不能打，而是宽容和理解。就象温家宝所说，中国人民会不惜一切代价维护祖国的统一。

抛开感情不谈，即使是从战略上来看，中国也决不会坐视台湾独立，如果任其发生，西藏，新疆怎么办？一个分崩离析的中国就是一个任人宰割的中国，历史的教训还不多吗？美国会允许夏威夷独立吗？绝对不会。

很多人总喜欢用民主和自由来作幌子，动不动就用魁北克独立公投来比喻台湾。那你知道现在的加拿大法律吗？克里田说过，“50%加一票就想分裂国家，决不是民主”。所以，按着现在的加拿大法律，魁北克独立与否要全加拿大人同意。那台湾人是不是要征求一下大陆人的同意呢？请记住，台湾现在是一个地区，起码在名义上。

支持台湾独立的中国人是一种短视行为。台湾无论从地理上，还是政治上，永远都不可能真正的独立。不是倒向大陆，就是倒向美国，最坏的是倒向日本。后面两个，中国所有人都不能接受。长远来看，对台湾人就有好处吗？为了眼前的些许好处，而投靠异族，难道是明智的选择吗？

其实，我最气愤的是一部分台湾人妄想成为美国的一个州！无论怎样辱骂，都不足以发泄我心中对他们的仇恨。抗战时的“汉奸”也许是不得已，毕竟怕死不是大错。但是，现在主动地献媚就是可耻，他们才是中国的耻辱！还是那句话，你可以离开台湾，留下我们的土地！

欢迎所有人指正！