真的假的，黑海舰队旗舰发生大爆炸

[土拨悬铃木]

这个不知真假， 大家随便看看。

 

[lindamy]

俄国国防部报道：在黑海沉了。

5 min ago

Russian warship Moskva sinks in Black Sea, Russian Ministry of Defense reported via state media​

From Jorge Engels in London and Vasco Cotovio in Kyiv

The Russian warship Moskva has sunk, Russian state news agency TASS reported, citing a statement from the Russian Ministry of Defense.

"During the towing of the cruiser Moskva to the port of destination, the ship lost its stability due to hull damage received during a fire from the detonation of ammunition. In the conditions of stormy seas, the ship sank," the statement said according to TASS.

Conflicting accounts have emerged about an incident involving the warship in the Black Sea on Wednesday.

Russia said a fire broke out on the guided-missile cruiser, causing munitions aboard to explode, inflicting serious damage to the vessel, and forcing the crew of the warship to be evacuated. Ukraine says it hit the Moskva with anti-ship missiles and later claimed that she had been sunk.

CNN has not been able to independently verify what caused the damage to the ship.

This is a developing story.

 

[c8848]

果然是遥言。

 

[阿土仔]

看了乌方描述的“海王星”攻击过程，手法很巧。感觉俄军的作战非常笨拙，更像是傻大个搬砖头。这样作战得死多少人、毁多少装备？

 

[sdzhangtao]

It's not Sunk, it's just becoming submarine.
It's new weapon, the 5G Transformer

 

[茶马盐铁]

The first Russian loss of a flagship since the Russian-Japanese war of 1904-1905. A historic Ukrainian victory.

自日俄战争之后，俄罗斯海军的最大损失

 

[wei_cheng]

黑海大舰多厄运。乌军先放一些 TB-2 无人机吸引 Moskva 号巡洋舰去敖德萨州沿海执行针对 TB-2 的任务，上钩了就试着用 ”海王“ 反舰导弹。

如果 Moskva 舰上由甲板下垂直发射单元收纳导弹，如果升级电子设备应对更多的雷达目标，或许还不至于被 ”海王“ 导弹击中引发弹药殉爆。

俄国国防部报道：在黑海沉了。

5 min ago

Russian warship Moskva sinks in Black Sea, Russian Ministry of Defense reported via state media​

From Jorge Engels in London and Vasco Cotovio in Kyiv

The Russian warship Moskva has sunk, Russian state news agency TASS reported, citing a statement from the Russian Ministry of Defense.



Conflicting accounts have emerged about an incident involving the warship in the Black Sea on Wednesday.

Russia said a fire broke out on the guided-missile cruiser, causing munitions aboard to explode, inflicting serious damage to the vessel, and forcing the crew of the warship to be evacuated. Ukraine says it hit the Moskva with anti-ship missiles and later claimed that she had been sunk.

CNN has not been able to independently verify what caused the damage to the ship.

This is a developing story.

看了乌方描述的“海王星”攻击过程，手法很巧。感觉俄军的作战非常笨拙，更像是傻大个搬砖头。这样作战得死多少人、毁多少装备？

 

[凤舞九天]

老毛子牛逼，意外失火都能烧沉一艘导弹巡航舰，这tmd是三味真火啊？

 

[阿土仔]

黑海大舰多厄运。乌军先放一些 TB-2 无人机吸引 Moskva 号巡洋舰去敖德萨州沿海执行针对 TB-2 的任务，上钩了就试着用 ”海王“ 反舰导弹。

如果 Moskva 舰上的导弹藏在船身的垂直发射舱内，如果升级电子设备应对更多的雷达目标，或许还不至于被 ”海王“ 导弹击中引发弹药殉爆。

“海王星”反舰导弹虽亚音速飞行，但飞行轨迹弯曲，且采用隐身技术，能在离水面3米高度飞行，之前乌专家说现在没有反导系统可以拦截“海王星”。

 

[wei_cheng]

在 Moskva 号的雷达对着若干 TB-2 无人机时，的确难以用追踪已经调整到离海面 3m 的反舰导弹、用 S-300F 导弹拦截也不一定灵光，这并不算是隐身技术。飞行轨迹弯曲：类似于巡航导弹，即便雷达在反舰导弹发射时发现了，也难以追踪离海面 3m 的弯曲轨迹，能用来对抗的也就是 AK-630M 近防速射炮、主/被动电抗和诱饵。

“海王星”反舰导弹虽亚音速飞行，但飞行轨迹弯曲，且采用隐身技术，能在离水面3米高度飞行，之前乌专家说现在没有反导系统可以拦截“海王星”。

 

[lindamy]

大毛这次各种重型武器装备损失不计其数，也不会在乎脸面了。

1969年时，中苏在珍宝岛的小规模战争，有很多神奇传说，真假就不清楚了。

据说中国根本没有对付坦克的武器，后来是一名神枪手，可能就是叫孙玉国的，从坦克上的一个小洞，射伤了坦克手，苏联损失了唯一的坦克，不愿意被中国缴获，炸开结冰的江面，沉底，中国为显示战绩，将其涝出，在运往北京的途中，苏联派了间谍想要销毁坦克，此间谍在潜入途中被觉悟超高的朝阳群众发现长相酷似本村地主，于是报告，后来证实他是地主家逃亡苏联的儿子。

最后坦克被运往北京，一直在军事博物馆中展出。

 

[阿土仔]

等到它调整到离水面 3m 的确难以用雷达也无法用导弹拦截，这并不算是隐身技术。飞行轨迹弯曲：类似巡航导弹。

我觉得这只是一把，再击沉几艘俄舰才可以封神。貌似俄舰现在已退出”海王星“射程。

 

[billwanhua]

China, South Korea lift Russian energy imports, eroding sanctions

Even countries opposing Moscow take advantage of discounts

asia.nikkei.com

中国韩国又进口俄罗斯能源了。

如果俄罗斯打残了，欧洲又禁止俄罗斯能源，对中国是不是最佳结果？
俄罗斯对中国怎么也强硬不起来，出口完全依靠中国？一直依靠中国？

 

[wei_cheng]

缺了 Moskva 对抗 TB-2 无人机、对岸打击特定目标，黑海舰队剩余的也发挥不了什么作用了。

我觉得这只是一把，再击沉几艘俄舰才可以封神。貌似俄舰现在已退出”海王星“射程。

 

[wei_cheng]

进口俄能源最大宗还是在老欧洲，是绝对做不到禁止俄罗斯天然气的。

China, South Korea lift Russian energy imports, eroding sanctions

Even countries opposing Moscow take advantage of discounts

asia.nikkei.com

中国韩国又进口俄罗斯能源了。

如果俄罗斯打残了，欧洲又禁止俄罗斯能源，对中国是不是最佳结果？
俄罗斯对中国怎么也强硬不起来，出口完全依靠中国？一直依靠中国？