中国的民主之路
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相信这么说中国人的民主斗士就2种,一种不是中国人,一种是不觉得自己是普遍中国人的中国人.要是您是第一种的,在下只能鄙视(不好意思,在下还有中国人的另一个弊病,有点排外.不过不盲目而已).如果您是第二种,那么按照民主的观点,您应该服从大多数的意见吧?
另:从您一向的语言,在下无聊推测,您应该是很早以前就来国外的移民,年纪不小了
如果不是,那么就是曾被您的仇人--gdc'迫害'过.或者根本就是台湾人...
完全不了解国内的情况,一味只是说些攻击的话...远不如京都球虾有水准....
补充一句:您单口相声的本事小弟还是很佩服的
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哈哈
太搞笑了,谢谢您的不得不告诉我.
俺知道了民主原来是大家讨论以后说出来的...
一群人互相讽刺谩骂栽赃扣帽子就是民主了.
强啊
关于您所说的俺那见不得人的目的实在有够搞的
打倒xx王朝,推翻xxx统治的话可不是俺说的
现在俺明白了,这么说的人果然是过嘴瘾的21.
当然他也可能是网特...但是似乎这种口号式网特的太那个了...
除非是义务劳动...不然没人敢请...整个一个起反效果的
最后声明一下
俺不会再来这里了,免得最后也被扣上网特之类的大帽子.
俺是学生,俺怕了你们了.
但是俺还是要说俺的观点
1,既然你们自己都说什么'中国人均素质就是:中国人普遍比较保守、自私、软弱，缺乏进取精神和社会责任感。'这样的话,那么也就是说你们自己也知道目前中国人整体素质(包括教育水平)有待提高.那么,如果你们现在就想实现所谓的民主,就是要在违背大多数人意愿的情况下进行(国内的人基本都是在你们认为的'洗脑'环境下成长的)那么光说(还外加自以为高人一等的谩骂)能实现中国民主?这才是笑话.所以,你们剩下的只有武力一途,但是很显然,你们怕死.你们没有这个能力.(对不住,但俺这是实话)
2.你们既然认为在国外大肆谩骂就能让中国民主,俺无话可说,只能奉劝各位,希望你们纯洁的理想别跟台独,反华,轮子什么的混在一起.(可能你们中已然有披着反华外衣的其他份子了)俺是说真的,在国内,你如果光说民主,还没什么事,您要是扯上台独反华什么的,大街上能被老百姓用唾沫淹死,这样你们的民主就要泡汤了...
3.没啥了,各位不用费劲跟俺争论了,同意呢就点个头,不同意就在电脑边上骂俺几句.
不用引这个帖子回复了,反正俺以后不来也看不见.也不会对你们之后的引用发表任何评论的.跟不还嘴的人吵架没啥意思吧?就当俺最后谢谢各位一个.886
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Thanks for your answer. Although i cannot agree with our opinons but i admir your way of discussion.
第一点:
a> Your question: 美国从各个方面抑制中国的发展,为何独独没有抑制中国的民主发展?
My answer: I think the real thing scared 美国 is not 中国的发展 but warrying an autocratic super power. Why? because if that happens no other power could stop it. You can imagin if Hitler had actomic bomb before US had what our history will be? The crucial difference between 民主 and autocracy is 民主 is able to limit power to a group or a person but autocracy cannot, it probably leads to ultramatic power, that means out of control, means no balance any more. That is dangerous situation, if the autocrat is a good guy our world is ok, if the autocrat is a bad guy(evil), our world could be
destroied. Therefore, i say 美国 does not 抑制中国的发展,but does 抑制中国的autocracy 发展.
b> Your question: 剩下的一途就是革命了吧?
My answer: If you refer to 革命 is a kind of violent 革命, is kind of death of people that is really bad. I hate that, i would rather like to obtain 民主 much slower. Because life and family to everybody are the most important things. But slowly 发展民主 does not mean stop 民主, does not mean we don't need 民主, does not mean let more people know what is 民主. 民主是 when you are looking for a 正确的方向和方法, speak out your solution in public and let other people choose by voting. So far, it is the best way to distribute the power for operating some thing. Just like a bid, for getting a best deal fairly and safely.
c> Your question: 麻烦您说出如何让中国进入民主而不分裂,中国进入民主对中国的强盛有什么好处?
My answer: From my point of view, the first thing to do in China is to remove the limit on NEWS and remove the limit on freely building PARTIES. We need various thoughts and opinons to be heard. We need diverse of proposal of how to 强盛中国 to be demostrated then we think, we analyse, we try...
Eventually, we should be able to find a relatively best way to achieve our goal.
The best advantage of 中国进入民主 is we are getting transparent. We could judge and choose a good leader (or solution) before he actually takes any action. We make the chosen leader have to keep his commitment and to be responsible for what he did. if he does not works well as he said we have chances to select a better one. You know we have 1.3 billion people we should have lots of genius and talents.
第二点:
Your question: 俺不关心民主还是一党专治还是别的什么,俺只关心中国是否能强大...
My answer: 中国能强大 is only the conclution or the final result. But in order to achieve the goal you have to do more. It is just like to do a investment or start a big project. When you do a project, you need to give a proposal first right? Tell the investor or your share holders or your boss, what the current problems, what is outside situation, internal situation, what resource you have, how much more resource you need, how to use the resources, what principle you will apply, what is your schedule, what are the milestones of the project and etc.
In one word, you have to select a way to achieve your object right? You have to convince the public to accept your solution before you take actions right? 民主 or 一党专治 are nothing more than a method of how to assign the power and how to make a decision. May I ask if you have a trouble in your family which measure will you use 民主 or 一人专治 in your home?
第三点:
Your question: 关于人口素质的,俺这么回答您,您看台湾大选了麽?
My answer: The election problem in 台湾大选 is they did not do 民主 well. Their system of protection 民主 election in 台湾 is not good enough. But is not the problem of 民主 is bad. If 台湾人 are smart enough they will do it better 4 years later, and gradually maybe after 12 years they will do much better.
We should know when we learn something new, specially difficult things, it is normal to make many mistakes. But the problem is what we learn from our mistakes or other poples' mistakes fro helping us do things better, right? We cannot imagin we can successs over a night we need patience and intelligence. I personally think it is really a good time for us because there are so many lessons right now for us to help us succeed easier than ever.
If you really think 民主是一个有害无益的制度, could you please speak it more detail and figure out what 害 it will arise?
Finally, I would like to say sorry that it is really inconvinent some time for me to type in Chinese. But i hope what i write is clear enough for you to understand. If i have something confused you i would like to explain them to you next time.
Thanks your reply again.
Thanks for your answer. Although i cannot agree with our opinons but i admir your way of discussion.
第一点:
a> Your question: 美国从各个方面抑制中国的发展,为何独独没有抑制中国的民主发展?
My answer: I think the real thing scared 美国 is not 中国的发展 but warrying an autocratic super power. Why? because if that happens no other power could stop it. You can imagin if Hitler had actomic bomb before US had what our history will be? The crucial difference between 民主 and autocracy is 民主 is able to limit power to a group or a person but autocracy cannot, it probably leads to ultramatic power, that means out of control, means no balance any more. That is dangerous situation, if the autocrat is a good guy our world is ok, if the autocrat is a bad guy(evil), our world could be
destroied. Therefore, i say 美国 does not 抑制中国的发展,but does 抑制中国的autocracy 发展.
b> Your question: 剩下的一途就是革命了吧?
My answer: If you refer to 革命 is a kind of violent 革命, is kind of death of people that is really bad. I hate that, i would rather like to obtain 民主 much slower. Because life and family to everybody are the most important things. But slowly 发展民主 does not mean stop 民主, does not mean we don't need 民主, does not mean let more people know what is 民主. 民主是 when you are looking for a 正确的方向和方法, speak out your solution in public and let other people choose by voting. So far, it is the best way to distribute the power for operating some thing. Just like a bid, for getting a best deal fairly and safely.
c> Your question: 麻烦您说出如何让中国进入民主而不分裂,中国进入民主对中国的强盛有什么好处?
My answer: From my point of view, the first thing to do in China is to remove the limit on NEWS and remove the limit on freely building PARTIES. We need various thoughts and opinons to be heard. We need diverse of proposal of how to 强盛中国 to be demostrated then we think, we analyse, we try...
Eventually, we should be able to find a relatively best way to achieve our goal.
The best advantage of 中国进入民主 is we are getting transparent. We could judge and choose a good leader (or solution) before he actually takes any action. We make the chosen leader have to keep his commitment and to be responsible for what he did. if he does not works well as he said we have chances to select a better one. You know we have 1.3 billion people we should have lots of genius and talents.
第二点:
Your question: 俺不关心民主还是一党专治还是别的什么,俺只关心中国是否能强大...
My answer: 中国能强大 is only the conclution or the final result. But in order to achieve the goal you have to do more. It is just like to do a investment or start a big project. When you do a project, you need to give a proposal first right? Tell the investor or your share holders or your boss, what the current problems, what is outside situation, internal situation, what resource you have, how much more resource you need, how to use the resources, what principle you will apply, what is your schedule, what are the milestones of the project and etc.
In one word, you have to select a way to achieve your object right? You have to convince the public to accept your solution before you take actions right? 民主 or 一党专治 are nothing more than a method of how to assign the power and how to make a decision. May I ask if you have a trouble in your family which measure will you use 民主 or 一人专治 in your home?
第三点:
Your question: 关于人口素质的,俺这么回答您,您看台湾大选了麽?
My answer: The election problem in 台湾大选 is they did not do 民主 well. Their system of protection 民主 election in 台湾 is not good enough. But is not the problem of 民主 is bad. If 台湾人 are smart enough they will do it better 4 years later, and gradually maybe after 12 years they will do much better.
We should know when we learn something new, specially difficult things, it is normal to make many mistakes. But the problem is what we learn from our mistakes or other poples' mistakes fro helping us do things better, right? We cannot imagin we can successs over a night we need patience and intelligence. I personally think it is really a good time for us because there are so many lessons right now for us to help us succeed easier than ever.
If you really think 民主是一个有害无益的制度, could you please speak it more detail and figure out what 害 it will arise?
Finally, I would like to say sorry that it is really inconvinent some time for me to type in Chinese. But i hope what i write is clear enough for you to understand. If i have something confused you i would like to explain them to you next time.
Thanks your reply again.
oread
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I can safely conclude that I had completely wasted half an hour of my life that I would never get back.
As usual, your post doesn't contain any arguments, only emotions. Perhaps it's a good thing, you are still young to be this passionate about something. Conscience is probably too big a word for you to comprehend at your age, but I suggest you to at least allow others with conscience to speak their mind. The right to speak freely: that's what democracy is about.
As usual, your post doesn't contain any arguments, only emotions. Perhaps it's a good thing, you are still young to be this passionate about something. Conscience is probably too big a word for you to comprehend at your age, but I suggest you to at least allow others with conscience to speak their mind. The right to speak freely: that's what democracy is about.
Where is 邓家王朝? Do you think present government is 邓家王朝? or Jiang家王朝? or something else?
拥戴有（皇帝之）实而无（皇帝之）名的邓二世称帝，然后立即实行君主立宪制<如英国、日本那样>。 maybe is your choice but it hard to say it is 就应该. Actually we have many choices have people choose. Do you think that is true?
