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最初由 lifeisfun 发布


There is nothing wrong for them to have more than two kids here, which they couldn't achieve in China. But you are right that if you always to push the kids and compared them with other kids, like most parents in China do. Then it will be a big burden for both the parent and the children.

I noticed one big difference between Chinese tradition and western tradition in having children. Chinese parents expect the success of their children more, namely, pay more attention to final results, wishing the kids become engineers, lawyers and doctors, while the western parents, on the other hand, pay more attention to the process, namely, the happiness and joy they can have from growth of their children. Therefore, western parents are more relaxing and enjoyable to have kids.

好象这都是老掉牙的说法了吧, 好象是八十年代回去的留学生这样来比较中外父母的差别的.

如果有条件, 谁的父母不希望孩子即幸福,快乐又体面聪明? 看看出来的中国父母, 大多数是随孩子的意志, 很少会让孩子为自己去圆梦.
 
最初由 lifeisfun 发布

I noticed one big difference between Chinese tradition and western tradition in having children. Chinese parents expect the success of their children more, namely, pay more attention to final results, wishing the kids become engineers, lawyers and doctors, while the western parents, on the other hand, pay more attention to the process, namely, the happiness and joy they can have from growth of their children. Therefore, western parents are more relaxing and enjoyable to have kids.

你说的是事实,但是为什么?因为他们各自的生活经验。换句话说,中国人很有危机感,为什么?因为,他们对这个世界上的资源消耗不一样!!美国一个小孩的资源消耗是中国小孩的 40 倍!!在加拿大,你不干活,政府可以养着你,他们当然可以说relaxing 和enjoyable, 中国和非洲行吗?想想五陵少年,八旗子弟,绝对比西方人会enjoy生活。
 
最初由 光辉岁月 发布


你说的是事实,但是为什么?因为他们各自的生活经验。换句话说,中国人很有危机感,为什么?因为,他们对这个世界上的资源消耗不一样!!美国一个小孩的资源消耗是中国小孩的 40 倍!!在加拿大,你不干活,政府可以养着你,他们当然可以说relaxing 和enjoyable, 中国和非洲行吗?想想五陵少年,八旗子弟,绝对比西方人会enjoy生活。

I agree with you that there are some social differnce behine this. But I don't agree with you on that: 在加拿大,你不干活,政府可以养着你,他们当然可以说relaxing 和enjoyable. The western tradition don't really mean that the children don't have to work when they grow up, but it emphasize more on what kind of work they want to do are the choice of the children, not the parents. Their tradition pay more attention on independence, confidence, and ability of organization. But among Chinese, we pick the careers for the kids and then spend all of our money and energy to ensure they achieve that goal, while in the process itself, forget to educate them those fundamental aspects.

You are right that 五陵少年,八旗子弟 know how to enjoy the life, but how long those life can last if your next generation don't know to manage that, and live a healthy but not luxury life and more improtant, know how to creat more wealth.
 
最初由 redhouse1 发布


好象这都是老掉牙的说法了吧, 好象是八十年代回去的留学生这样来比较中外父母的差别的.

如果有条件, 谁的父母不希望孩子即幸福,快乐又体面聪明? 看看出来的中国父母, 大多数是随孩子的意志, 很少会让孩子为自己去圆梦.

Are you sure many Chinese parents now think the way you are describing? I hope that's true and believe that many more parents realize this and is moving towards this direction.
 
最初由 lifeisfun 发布


Are you sure many Chinese parents now think the way you are describing? I hope that's true and believe that many more parents realize this and is moving towards this direction.

我指的是在出来以后的父母们. 国内没那个条件, 谁都得要把自己的孩子培养成角斗士.

当然出来的中国人由于文化不同, 和西方人的观念和文化不同, 对孩子们的方式和态度是有区别的. 但我认为是方式问题
 
Re: Re: [转贴] 没钱没好工作,别生孩子

同意。穷人就不能生小孩?如果楼主的祖宗也这么想,恐怕就没有楼主在这里了。

最初由 RELAX 发布


P话.

每个人都有自己的价值观念, 以前好多伟人很穷, 家里更穷, 对社会的贡献却很大, 难道这些人都不应该出生吗?

就是这种攀比心理害得中国人活得很累.
 
同意楼主的话,虽不想多说什么,就是强烈支持楼主~~
 
楼主没有听过"养儿防老"那句话?
越是穷, 越是环境恶劣, 就越要可着劲地生七八个十来个,
童年夭折几个, 青年累死几个, 还能剩下人给自己盖好棺材盖.
 
  楼主是教师爷吗? 真不知天高地厚!你睁开蛙眼看看,现在的移民都是些什么人!打粗工又咋啦,这叫创业打江山,天将降大任于斯人也。打天下可是别有一番滋味呢,咳,恐怕一时半会你还不能理解其中的乐趣。能够随遇而安、拿得起放得下的人,仍然是出类拔萃的人!
  常言“富不过三代”,可见富是消极的因素,可以消磨人们的斗志的。富豪才能生小孩,你就那么看重那些“二世祖”呀?新移民的第二代,那个不像朝气蓬勃、早上八、九点钟的太阳!总体上哪点比不上他们的了?
  以目前的情况,新移民平均一家少于两个孩子,是生得太少而不是太多。多生些于家于国再好不过了,而这正是加拿大所需要的。请你不要吝啬那一丁点牛奶金补贴,其实全部没工作家庭的小孩都让国家包养起来,也是一本万利的买卖!
 
最初由 timmy 发布
  楼主是教师爷吗? 真不知天高地厚!你睁开蛙眼看看,现在的移民都是些什么人!打粗工又咋啦,这叫创业打江山,天将降大任于斯人也。打天下可是别有一番滋味呢,咳,恐怕一时半会你还不能理解其中的乐趣。能够随遇而安、拿得起放得下的的人,仍然是出类拔萃的人!
  常言“富不过三代”,可见富是消极的因素,可以消磨人们的斗志的。富豪才能生小孩,你就那么看重那些“二世祖”呀?新移民的第二代,那个不像朝气蓬勃、早上八、九点钟的太阳!总体上哪点比不上他们的了?
  以目前的情况,新移民平均一家少于两个孩子,是生得太少而不是太多。多生些于家于国再好不过了,而这正是加拿大所需要的。请你不要吝啬那一丁点牛奶金补贴,其实全部没工作家庭的小孩都让国家包养起来,也是一本万利的买卖!


:cool: :cool: :cool:
 
要是现在有钱生了孩子 以后投资失败 或者被解雇 不能给孩子优越的物质生活 请问搂住怎么办?是不是要把孩子送给别人收养啊?
 
很多白手起家的,都在20多的时候生的孩子,当时穷得狠,孩子可以成为他们的负担,但同时也坚定了他们拼搏的信心。。。
 
最初由 timmy 发布
以目前的情况,新移民平均一家少于两个孩子,是生得太少而不是太多。多生些于家于国再好不过了,而这正是加拿大所需要的。请你不要吝啬那一丁点牛奶金补贴,其实全部没工作家庭的小孩都让国家包养起来,也是一本万利的买卖!

Shame on you. Isn't it your obligation to raise your own children?
 
但是很多事实证明:穷人身边有很多KIDS,而富人身边是DOGS AND CATS。
 
谬论,一派胡言.没有孩子的家是不完整的,孩子是连接夫妻感情的纽带.当然,给孩子好的生活环境,是父母的责任.有了孩子,会让父母更有改变现状的动力,创造更好的生活.
 
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