中美真实生活之比较全面篇(图)

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最初由 roaring mouse 发布


this guy must have bought second hand car or the cheapest model with less than $20k

同样型号的车,
美国比加拿大便宜很多,
有时可到三分之一。
 
最初由 wushuren 发布


对于反对西方民主制度的人而留在西方民主制度下的人,并且不具有牛克思主义思想的人,您这样一问一个准,和点穴差不多。

嚎鼠神仙姐姐用了另一种方式来对抗这种点穴,那就是模糊民主制度和专制制度之间的区别。

It is of no use for you and 我本善良 to resort to these little dirty tricks like

if you love your country, why do you stay in US or Canada?

or

if you do not like western democracy, why do you stay here?

These questions are beneath contempt.

Each year people from many countries around the world come and settle down in USA/Canada. Many of them are from democratic countries. Have they come to settle down because US is democratic?

The answer is hell no.

I did not say I do not like democracy. What I said is democracy is also a form of dictatorship and one cannot simply force democracy in a country like China. Let time/history take its course.

Wushuren said democracy is the future of the world, which I strongly disagree. For a truely free society or world, dictator must give away. As democracy is a form of dictatorship, it should not and could not and will not be the future model polictical entity. Instead, ANARCHISM holds the key to the world's political structure under which there is true freedom and exercise of human will.

I love my home country; living in another country does not mean I love my home country less. As a kid, you live in your sweet home with your parents. When you grow up, you leave home to go to school in another city or work in another city or country. That is no reason you do not love the home once you grew up in.

People around the world move around and settle in different places in search of economic opportunities and better lives for oneself and one's family. They live and fall in love with their new country but they still love their hoome country. They want their home country standing strong in this world. They will help their country when feasible or possible. They are not like you who want to destroy the home you grew up in.

A beast knows better:

皮之不存,毛将附焉?
 
无政府主义者。根本不具有现在可行性的方案。用任何借口抵抗民主改革和放弃民主意识形态的制高点,只能使自己的祖国丧失机会,一旦出现变乱,等待他的将是被分裂成许多的伊拉克,然后被强行加上现有西方民主制度。
 
您所说的自然方式,是不是让中国等待那样的一个命运。

您能向中国现实性地实行您的无政府主义吗?您只能让中国政府维持它现有的政治格局吧?顶多加上个和谐社会的理论,调和一下社会矛盾。
 
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最初由 roaring mouse 发布


I am not talking about NOW. I am talking about the future. Democracy is a form of dictatorship and cannot be the model political entity in the future world. For a truely free world, ANARCHISM holds the key.

Democracy can never resovle its paradox of elective dictatorship.

牛克思主义者讲的眼前的未来,而不是500年后,所以比您的说法要实际的多。您在架设一个空中楼阁。而牛克思主义所谓的民主制度再进化,完全基于现有的社会实践。

1,您给出了一个无政府主义的空中楼阁。
2,您模糊了现有人类社会实践中民主制度和专制制度的区别。
3,您不想探索中国的政治体质进步和超越,只想维持现有政治格局,加上个和谐理论调和一下矛盾。

结论,您的想法实际上的效果将是等待中国出现变乱,然后分裂,让现有民主制度被强加于中国各地区,就好像前苏联,就好像现在的伊拉克,就好像南斯拉夫。
 
最初由 wushuren 发布


2,您模糊了现有人类社会实践中民主制度和专制制度的区别。

区别?

Democracy is a form of elective dictatorship. How much does it take for your brain to understand.

Suppose

in 专制制度的 China,

Same sex marriage is banned by the so-called 5 or 10 dictators.
The outcome is same sex couples cannot marry and enjoy the legal benefits.

in 民主制度的 USA,

People go to vote and 67% vote for banning same sex marriage.
The outcome is same sex couples cannot marry and enjoy the legal benefits.

In both systems, no matter the process, the end result is the same: the life of some is dictated by others.

最初由 wushuren 发布


牛克思主义者讲的眼前的未来,而不是500年后,所以比您的说法要实际的多。您在架设一个空中楼阁。而牛克思主义所谓的民主制度再进化,完全基于现有的社会实践。

1,您给出了一个无政府主义的空中楼阁。

I do not know how far you can see. At least, there has been and there is and there will be followers of ANARCHISM.

I do not see how many followers 牛克思主义者讲的眼前的未来 have.

If 牛克思主义者 dare not say if they love or hate their home country, they are a joke and remain a joke.
 
最初由 roaring mouse 发布


区别?

Democracy is a form of elective dictatorship. How much does it take for your brain to understand.

Suppose

in 专制制度的 China,

Same sex marriage is banned by the so-called 5 or 10 dictators.
The outcome is same sex couples cannot marry and enjoy the legal benefits.

in 民主制度的 USA,

People go to vote and 67% vote for banning same sex marriage.
The outcome is same sex couples cannot marry and enjoy the legal benefits.

In both systems, no matter the process, the end result is the same: the life of some is dictated by others.

您仅以投票来判断民主制度,和有些右派对民主的认识没什么区别。我早就说过了。您说民主制度就是一个选出来的独裁制度,是一种对民主制度的肤浅认识。在这点上,我把您和极端右派并列。

我需要说多少遍,您才能明白?民主制度不是简单地投票,所以也就不是投票后的独裁。
 
牛克思主义者是一种新兴的关于最近的未来的思想,而无政府主义是一种老掉牙的关于未来的空中楼阁。
 
最初由 wushuren 发布


您仅以投票来判断民主制度,和有些右派对民主的认识没什么区别。我早就说过了。您说民主制度就是一个选出来的独裁制度,是一种对民主制度的肤浅认识。在这点上,我把您和极端右派并列。

我需要说多少遍,您才能明白?民主制度不是简单地投票,所以也就不是投票后的独裁。

I am TALKING about OUTCOME.

No matter it is either 民主制度 or 专制制度,

The rights of some people are denied against their will by others.

You can call me by whatever labels you like, you cannot change the fact:

民主 is just another way to dictate the life of others.
 
最初由 roaring mouse 发布


I am TALKING about OUTCOME.

No matter it is either 民主制度 or 专制制度,

The rights of some people are denied against their will by others.

You can call me by whatever labels you like, you cannot change the fact:

民主 is just another way to dictate the life of others.

所以您只是用结果来说,所以您的分析只是表面现象而已。

投票?连北朝鲜和萨达姆的伊拉克都搞投票,投票率特高,而且以99%以上的选票当选。选票绝对不是民主制度。
 
最初由 mds 发布
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最初由 roaring mouse 发布


You must have suffered insomnia last night for it impaired your judgement.

AGAIN I am TALKING about OUTCOME.

投票 is not OUTCOME; it is part of a process.

民主制度绝对不是选票. 民主制度绝对 is elective dictatorhsip。
投票一词,包括投票结果也包括投票过程。选票结果不代表民主制度的全部,这是铁论。仅以投票这个表面现象来断定民主制度是一种选出来的专制制度,是无效的结论。

正好相反,可能是您的判断力不知道什么原因出了问题,不是我。

当初希腊民主制度曾经有公民大会制度,只要全体公民到场,那是不是更民主?据说瑞士现在还是这样的制度。


没有别的,专制制度和民主制度就是个效率和制衡分配大小和组合方式的区别。看,我这说法多么专业,虽然咱不是学社会科学的。
 
最初由 roaring mouse 发布


投票一词,包括投票结果在其中,选票结果和选票都不代表民主制度的全部,这是铁论。---this you are talking to yourself. no one said 选票结果和选票代表民主制度的全部.

仅以投票这个表面现象来断定

AGAIN I am TALKING about OUTCOME (投票结果) . You are talking about process(投票).

仅以---,是无效的结论。

You act like a dictator. You cannot dictate 结论无效 or otherwise.

我是通过逻辑和分析来判断结论无效的。您终于承认选票结果和选票不是民主制度的全部了,那么您仅仅通过选票结果就断定民主制度是一种选出来的独裁制度的结论,自然无效。否则您自相矛盾。这不是我独裁,而是您已经开始自我矛盾了。

而您断定我独裁,才是一种独裁的行为。
 
最初由 roaring mouse 发布


So 民主制度 is a form of 专制. Finally you come to your senses.

不对,他们都是社会制度,但他们因为效率和制衡的组合不同。造成他们一种是民主制度,一种是专制制度。

打个比方,我们都是人,而您是女人,我是男人。
 
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