这里中国人的日子真的过得就这么穷吗？
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roaring mouse
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请大家不要在这标榜自己如何比同类高尚／傲。
看来这是你哥嫂的不对，明明可以丢掉的东西非要砍人１５０刀，我不相信凭你哥嫂的智力会把１５０刀丢在街上让人白拣。
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高尚谈不上，但至少要 make sense 一点：双方花了时间砍价钱，最后３０刀的东西，竟要挟似的，要求送货上门，否则不要了，您早说呀。３０刀，床架，box，床垫，送货上门？就是送同等体积重量的垃圾，光运输费就不止３０刀。
你觉得make sense 吗？
另外，我公寓里的很多东西，是从我哥那条街上拣的。
Are there any connections of this thread with one we had before?
http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum5/thread617563.html
http://bbs.comefromchina.com/forum5/thread617563.html
说的比较公平。愿意买旧货的，应该是不怕费时间还想省钱的，会讨价还价那是很自然的。一般人哪有那么多功夫。楼主挖坑呢。
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Your friend should tell you some remaining issue to you.
It depends on his ecomonic condition. I encountered some(not many) cheap [FONT=宋体]西人 who cut your price in half as if he can bargain with all Chinese. I say No or ignore him if such low ball price was given.
Only thing could be correct in your statement of [/FONT][FONT=宋体]"有的时候我甚至觉得西人可能更大方些" is how people handle service person like waiter or delivery guy. It is very true that few Chinese gives tips to service person. Many Chinese don't tip service persons in China and service industry is very low pay.[/FONT]
A Supplementary Story
One of real story suddenly came back to my brains when I put a link above in this thread . It is so vivid that I cannot help to let others know. Here is the story.
A Piano Purchase Story
Five years old girl registered in MYC and needs a piano now. As a Chinese Canadian, like all regular local consumers, we need to do some research. Larry Fine's Piano Book certainly is one source and some piano forums too. However, we had to physically look at and touch the piano if we are going to buy.
The first store we noticed unfortunately was Intercontinental Music, located in Donald St at St Laurent, 50% off on Sale ads on the paper. Before we took off, I called the store to know store hours. A lady on the phone told me that they are close at 4:00 pm. We had some delay on the way to the store and got there around 3:45 pm. Not much time left, but we still decided to go in and had a quick look. Then, we found out that there is clear indication at the door sign : store close at 5:00 pm on that day. Terrific. we can have more time to talk with sales. To our surprise, we were left in cold while a sale lady sitting at the counter motionless and an older man wandering round showroom seems daydreaming. I came up to the older one and politely gave him my budget range and asked what piano he recommended since none of my family knew or played music before.
I was so confounded that I was taken to a post that said IT IS NOT ABOUT MONEY. IT IS ABOUT MUSIC. I was completely lost and said: I don't know what you are talking about ? I don't even know which piano I should buy yet. Anyway, we fled the store without delaying a single second. On the way home, I was wondering hard what went wrong today and I could not figure out. Until late night, I still could not wipe out the experience I had in Intercontinental Music from my brains.I was in sleep and half sleep. Suddenly, I woke up. Chinese! Chinese! My Chinese name in his caller ID display and my Chinese accent on the phone told the store everything about who I am. Whom was going to come. A Chinese wants to come his store to buy piano. That what I got. Sorry, Mr. Intercontinental Music. For you, please forgive my obtuse and I might deserve that kind of treatment in your store. For me, one bite double shy. I should stop at the door when I knew your actual business hours.
Believe or not. The second store we went to had better experience than the first one, the Campell Douglas in Merivale Rd. Sales guy were so friendly and nice, a lot of details and background introductions and demos. They deserved our business I thought. Okay. We sit down and talked about the deal. I was told K3 was about $10,000 not long ago. I could get it just over $7000 + tax. I was a straight shooter and told then frankly what I knew the K3's price in TO, which easily found it out in a Chinese forum. Mr. Doug was quite frank too. He said it straight forwards that you are a Chinese and Chinese always bargain hard. I interrupted him and asked: is there any paint store near your shop? He was pazzled and said: about 5 minutes on the corner. I said: I would be back in 10 minutes and you would see I had changed to a black man, then we talk about a deal.
Mr. Doug is a good businessman and he's certainly not a racist. He must have been through lots of Chinese customers.
I had special taste in the third piano store, Lauzon Music in Wellington St, which also attracted a lot of comments in this forum a few days ago. We went there on a Saturday. Wow. Full house. in about 3 hours, 3 upright, one of them worth about $20,000 and one $ 50,000 grand piano sold. We stayed there quietly and watched a deal after a deal done. Then, Mr. Lauzon came to me and we had a nice chat about pianos and China. Mr. Lauzon's wife is a Chinese from Shanghai. We talked about Shanghai man's house work and cooking duties at home, etc. Then, come to deal, I told him that I am a Chinese and you, Mr.Lauzon married my country girl and slept with her. You must know very well that every Chinese is good at bargain. But I am not a good bargainer although I am 100% Chinese. I knew you have a business to run and a payroll to meet. You gave me the best price you can offer. I won't bargain one penny with you. I either take your offer or drop it and walk out the store. Mr. Lauzon did some calculation and wrote the price he could give. I looked at it and took out the wallet from my jeans and threw it at his desk and said : A deal.
I am 个人会员 and this is my piano purchase story. Don't you get some hints from it?
BTW, I normally don't say much in this forum. If any offends or misunderstands, please accept my apologies in advance.
One of real story suddenly came back to my brains when I put a link above in this thread . It is so vivid that I cannot help to let others know. Here is the story.
A Piano Purchase Story
Five years old girl registered in MYC and needs a piano now. As a Chinese Canadian, like all regular local consumers, we need to do some research. Larry Fine's Piano Book certainly is one source and some piano forums too. However, we had to physically look at and touch the piano if we are going to buy.
The first store we noticed unfortunately was Intercontinental Music, located in Donald St at St Laurent, 50% off on Sale ads on the paper. Before we took off, I called the store to know store hours. A lady on the phone told me that they are close at 4:00 pm. We had some delay on the way to the store and got there around 3:45 pm. Not much time left, but we still decided to go in and had a quick look. Then, we found out that there is clear indication at the door sign : store close at 5:00 pm on that day. Terrific. we can have more time to talk with sales. To our surprise, we were left in cold while a sale lady sitting at the counter motionless and an older man wandering round showroom seems daydreaming. I came up to the older one and politely gave him my budget range and asked what piano he recommended since none of my family knew or played music before.
I was so confounded that I was taken to a post that said IT IS NOT ABOUT MONEY. IT IS ABOUT MUSIC. I was completely lost and said: I don't know what you are talking about ? I don't even know which piano I should buy yet. Anyway, we fled the store without delaying a single second. On the way home, I was wondering hard what went wrong today and I could not figure out. Until late night, I still could not wipe out the experience I had in Intercontinental Music from my brains.I was in sleep and half sleep. Suddenly, I woke up. Chinese! Chinese! My Chinese name in his caller ID display and my Chinese accent on the phone told the store everything about who I am. Whom was going to come. A Chinese wants to come his store to buy piano. That what I got. Sorry, Mr. Intercontinental Music. For you, please forgive my obtuse and I might deserve that kind of treatment in your store. For me, one bite double shy. I should stop at the door when I knew your actual business hours.
Believe or not. The second store we went to had better experience than the first one, the Campell Douglas in Merivale Rd. Sales guy were so friendly and nice, a lot of details and background introductions and demos. They deserved our business I thought. Okay. We sit down and talked about the deal. I was told K3 was about $10,000 not long ago. I could get it just over $7000 + tax. I was a straight shooter and told then frankly what I knew the K3's price in TO, which easily found it out in a Chinese forum. Mr. Doug was quite frank too. He said it straight forwards that you are a Chinese and Chinese always bargain hard. I interrupted him and asked: is there any paint store near your shop? He was pazzled and said: about 5 minutes on the corner. I said: I would be back in 10 minutes and you would see I had changed to a black man, then we talk about a deal.
Mr. Doug is a good businessman and he's certainly not a racist. He must have been through lots of Chinese customers.
I had special taste in the third piano store, Lauzon Music in Wellington St, which also attracted a lot of comments in this forum a few days ago. We went there on a Saturday. Wow. Full house. in about 3 hours, 3 upright, one of them worth about $20,000 and one $ 50,000 grand piano sold. We stayed there quietly and watched a deal after a deal done. Then, Mr. Lauzon came to me and we had a nice chat about pianos and China. Mr. Lauzon's wife is a Chinese from Shanghai. We talked about Shanghai man's house work and cooking duties at home, etc. Then, come to deal, I told him that I am a Chinese and you, Mr.Lauzon married my country girl and slept with her. You must know very well that every Chinese is good at bargain. But I am not a good bargainer although I am 100% Chinese. I knew you have a business to run and a payroll to meet. You gave me the best price you can offer. I won't bargain one penny with you. I either take your offer or drop it and walk out the store. Mr. Lauzon did some calculation and wrote the price he could give. I looked at it and took out the wallet from my jeans and threw it at his desk and said : A deal.
I am 个人会员 and this is my piano purchase story. Don't you get some hints from it?
BTW, I normally don't say much in this forum. If any offends or misunderstands, please accept my apologies in advance.
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lz不用这么失望，也许你遇到的人都是因为在这里穷太久了，买便宜货太久了才会这样的。我和我朋友就不会那样，也没怎么遇到那样的事，大家彼此都大方一点就好了。我认识一个朋友，全家移民过来五六年了，就总是有种很穷，拼命攒钱的心态。还一个朋友也是全家过来几年了，觉得这种生活实在不爽，买东西都要考虑哪里便宜。其实也许真的不是多不起，只是这种心理在作祟吧。如果在国内肯定好很多。
从90年代末到现在的移民都还是第一代移民，他们带来了中国的有些不好的习惯，而且社会地位的降低造成很多人心理的不平衡，再说大多数的技术移民本身也不是很富有，多多少少有些抠。你碰到的人也不是能代表大多数的人。在中国你也能碰到服务很差的和很好的，你就不会说什么，因为都是中国人，在这里你用几件例子来代表中国人就不很妥当了。尤其是你的第三个经验，你和一个老外谈到了中国，我希望你没有说太多中国人的坏话，不然你是自取其辱，因为你永远也跳不出是个中国人。你不要误会我的意思，我耐心的看完了你用英文写的帖子，也表示对你的尊重。很多人来了都自称是加拿大人，不是中国人，我不反对，既然你也拥有加拿大国籍，你就不能把你见到的人都归入加拿大人的行列？不要理会谁是从哪里来，只是就事论事，不但心态会好，而且也不至于把矛头针对中国人怎么样怎么样。你去多伦多的其他地方看看，印度人，黑人，他们更加会讨价还价，还有时候恬不知耻。中国人的凝聚力就是丧失在你们这些认为中国人比别人低等的人的身上，多一点宽容，少宣扬一下家丑，中国人的地位自然在今后的几十年有很大的变化。你也知道外国人对中国的了解是多么的无知，如果再加上有些人在他们面前说点什么，他们更加会错误的理解真正的中国人。我以前做餐馆，见过无数很CHEAP的白人，他们表面上虚伪的NICE是从小养成的习惯，当然比表面上都不NICE的人还是要好。我的意思是，请不要针对中国人，等大家富裕起来了，有了社会地位，他们自然就把面子看的比口袋重要了。
至于另外一个人的经历，你也要从另外一方面看，你卖旧货，说明你也是想拿点钱回来，你能允许别人还价，说明你是害怕卖不掉。那就结合到一个供需的市场原理，如果市场小（尤其是OTTAWA的中国人少），你就算买一块钱，也不一定有人要。要想保存自尊，最好的办法就是一口价，不卖拉倒。又想捞点钱，就要忍受些不合理的还价，买的人都想最好是免费，卖的人都想越高越好，自然道理，你可以鄙视他，但不要耿耿于怀，尤其是在中国人的圈子里卖给中国人，就没有国域的界限，不应该在这个论点下发这个帖，因为你是在拿中国人和别的人比较。要是你是在想，卖掉了总比丢掉好吧？不就可以少掉点头发了？