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六四我最佩服的人
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说完最佩服的，说一说六四我最讨厌的人
1 拿六四作为攻击自己政敌工具的人或组织。他们其实并不关心六四死难者，只不过是吃别人的人血馒头做自己的营养。每年上各个坛子喊几句口号。
2 拿学生当枪使的幕后黑手，是他们把学生和市民推到了枪口下。失败以后，他们又不愿意承担责任，还以人权卫士自居。
3 李老邪的团队，在国内时，和老共各级领导打得火热。被撵出国以后，每年纪念六四，他们成了主力。
1 拿六四作为攻击自己政敌工具的人或组织。他们其实并不关心六四死难者，只不过是吃别人的人血馒头做自己的营养。每年上各个坛子喊几句口号。
2 拿学生当枪使的幕后黑手，是他们把学生和市民推到了枪口下。失败以后，他们又不愿意承担责任，还以人权卫士自居。
3 李老邪的团队，在国内时，和老共各级领导打得火热。被撵出国以后，每年纪念六四，他们成了主力。
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你替老候提点证据，让他改口说天安门的确死人了。
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说说我的看法，死人是肯定，只是死多少的问题！其实看看天安门母亲的那个运动，加入的就有130几位母亲，所以肯定是有人死的。我想每一个母亲对自己子女的爱应该是最真不至于撒谎吧！
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说出大概死多少人并不需要勇气，需要的是能像候先生那样说实话。
到目前为止，还没有一个学生领袖说当时指挥或策略适当，造成不必要的牺牲。
除非目的就是为了夺权。那死人就成必然的了。
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你让美国公布一下在伊拉克，阿富汗误炸，误杀的几万平民。按照美国的说法，那是很遗憾的误伤。对于64来说，63已经宣布了戒严。死人也是为了恢复秩序很遗憾的误伤。你有证据PLA是故意杀人的吗？
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wikileaks and June 4th
I respect Hou Dejian for both his commitment to democratic movement and integrity, the latter is lacking among so many student leaders.
The following just came out and shows what the US government and perhaps even the media knew this all along and yet misreporting on massacre on Tiananmen square has continued for 22 years. Of course students (and soldiers) were killed in Beijing and that was absolutely wrong and should be condemned. But it's time to stop circulating made-up stories about the Tiananmen massacre just because they sound more dramatic and that the square is more symbolic.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/China+claims+over+Tiananmen+Square+backed/4891604/story.html
China's claims over Tiananmen Square backed
By Malcolm Moore, The Daily Telegraph June 3, 2011
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/C...quare+backed/4891604/story.html#ixzz1OJeyt8y4
Secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing have shown there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square when China put down student pro-democracy demonstrations 22 years ago.
The cables, obtained by Wikileaks and released exclusively by The Daily Telegraph, partly confirm the Chinese government's account of the early hours of June 4, 1989. It has always insisted that soldiers did not massacre demonstrators inside the square.
Instead, Chinese soldiers opened fire on protesters outside the centre of Beijing as they fought their way towards the square from the west of the city.
Three cables were sent from the U.S. embassy on June 3 in the hours leading up to the final confrontation.
The cables described the "10,000 to 15,000 helmeted, armed troops" moving into the city, some of whom were "carrying automatic weapons".
At the same time, "elite airborne troops" and "tank units" were said to be moving up from the south.
The army came up against "an elaborate system of blockades", described in a cable from May 21, 1989, which allowed students to "control much of central Beijing".
Inside the square, a Chilean diplomat who was positioned next to a Red Cross station, was on hand to give his U.S. counterparts an eye-witness account of the final hours of the pro-democracy movement.
"He watched the military enter the square and did not observe any mass firing of weapons into the crowds, although sporadic gunfire was heard.
"He said that most of the troops which entered the square were armed only with anti-riot gear - truncheons and wooden clubs; they were backed up by armed soldiers," a cable from July 1989 said.
Leaders of the protest urged the students to leave the square, and the Chilean diplomat relayed that "once agreement was reached for the students to withdraw, linking hands to form a column, the students left the square through the south-east corner".
© Copyright (c) The Daily Telegraph
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/C...quare+backed/4891604/story.html#ixzz1OJea9qdn
I respect Hou Dejian for both his commitment to democratic movement and integrity, the latter is lacking among so many student leaders.
The following just came out and shows what the US government and perhaps even the media knew this all along and yet misreporting on massacre on Tiananmen square has continued for 22 years. Of course students (and soldiers) were killed in Beijing and that was absolutely wrong and should be condemned. But it's time to stop circulating made-up stories about the Tiananmen massacre just because they sound more dramatic and that the square is more symbolic.
http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/China+claims+over+Tiananmen+Square+backed/4891604/story.html
China's claims over Tiananmen Square backed
By Malcolm Moore, The Daily Telegraph June 3, 2011
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/C...quare+backed/4891604/story.html#ixzz1OJeyt8y4
Secret cables from the United States embassy in Beijing have shown there was no bloodshed inside Tiananmen Square when China put down student pro-democracy demonstrations 22 years ago.
The cables, obtained by Wikileaks and released exclusively by The Daily Telegraph, partly confirm the Chinese government's account of the early hours of June 4, 1989. It has always insisted that soldiers did not massacre demonstrators inside the square.
Instead, Chinese soldiers opened fire on protesters outside the centre of Beijing as they fought their way towards the square from the west of the city.
Three cables were sent from the U.S. embassy on June 3 in the hours leading up to the final confrontation.
The cables described the "10,000 to 15,000 helmeted, armed troops" moving into the city, some of whom were "carrying automatic weapons".
At the same time, "elite airborne troops" and "tank units" were said to be moving up from the south.
The army came up against "an elaborate system of blockades", described in a cable from May 21, 1989, which allowed students to "control much of central Beijing".
Inside the square, a Chilean diplomat who was positioned next to a Red Cross station, was on hand to give his U.S. counterparts an eye-witness account of the final hours of the pro-democracy movement.
"He watched the military enter the square and did not observe any mass firing of weapons into the crowds, although sporadic gunfire was heard.
"He said that most of the troops which entered the square were armed only with anti-riot gear - truncheons and wooden clubs; they were backed up by armed soldiers," a cable from July 1989 said.
Leaders of the protest urged the students to leave the square, and the Chilean diplomat relayed that "once agreement was reached for the students to withdraw, linking hands to form a column, the students left the square through the south-east corner".
© Copyright (c) The Daily Telegraph
Read more: http://www.ottawacitizen.com/news/C...quare+backed/4891604/story.html#ixzz1OJea9qdn
又开始造谣了？连新华社都承认，伊拉克，阿富汗死伤的几万平民，绝大多数是穆斯林什叶派和逊尼派之间的互杀。
更可笑的是，美军在伊拉克是外国占领军，你拿64时在北京的党卫军和在伊拉克的美军比，是不是说64时在北京的党卫军也是外国占领军？你小子是哪一边的？
真惨，中国人民不能听自己政府说句实话，要听老候的。:blowzy:
死了多少人，还是一个没死，中国政府不敢确认，就是说中共杀死了一万，让他们背着一万条人命那也是活该！～～～
