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[RobinZ]

Thanks XY!
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通过进行实际的裁判活动，发现球员普遍对最近补救点的概念不是很清楚。下面谈点我自己的理解，如有错误，请各位及时纠正。

1、最近补救点的定义
Nearest Point of Relief
The “nearest point of relief ” is the reference point for taking relief without penalty from interference by an immovable obstruction (Rule 24-2), an abnormal ground condition (Rule 25-1) or a wrong putting green (Rule 25-3).
It is the point on the course nearest to where the ball lies:
(i) that is not nearer the hole, and
(ii) where, if the ball were so positioned, no interference by the condition from which relief is sought would exist for the stroke the player would have made from the original position if the condition were not there.
Note:In order to determine the nearest point of relief accurately, the player should use the club with which he would have made his next stroke if the condition were not there to simulate the address position, direction of play and swing for such a stroke.

第一：不更靠进洞。
第二：从球现在的位置找到免除障碍的最近的补救点。
注解：用下一杆击球的球杆寻找补救点。

根据这两个原则与注解，最近补救点须满足以下条件：
1、 球与洞的连线与球与补救点的连线基本垂直，以保证不更靠近洞且找到数学上的最近点。
2、 球与洞的连线长度与下一杆使用的球杆长度及球员身高有关。
3、 寻找最近补救点时，球(P1)或球员双脚(P3)应该刚刚摆脱不可移动障碍，一般球或脚后跟与障碍之间再留1英尺（一只脚）的距离就可以了。可正常站位与挥杆，以保证“最近”。
4、另外还要注意，左右手选手的选择会有不同。下面是以右手选手为例。

下图中，球停在cart path上B3的位置，P1、P3与P3a都是Relief point。应该选取哪一个呢？

B3到P3的距离比B3到P1的距离短，所以P3是最近补救点。如遇两者距离相等，球员可以任选一个（25-1b/2）。

假如P3是树干或树丛，P3无法测量，只能通过估计确定。（24-2b/3.7）

2、抛球
在最近抛球点一杆身距离内有效抛球（参见规则20），不罚杆。

问题：P3是树丛，一杆内抛球仍在树丛，或在树后，可否延伸到P3a作为最近补救点？
回答：不可以，P3a显然不是“最近”补救点。请注意：补救仅仅可以免除不可移动障碍的影响，而不考虑补救后的位置击球是否有利。当然，大多数情况下补救后击球的确会有利。

问题：既然P3被树木阻挡，是否可以换用P1作为最近补救点？
回答：不可以，因为P1不是最近补救点。

问题：P1是否有可能成为最近补救点？
回答：是的。规则规定，不能在果岭和障碍区进行补救抛球。所以，如果P3是侧面水障碍，P3不再是最近补救点。如果这时测量结果P1成为最近补救点，球员可以在P1一杆身长距离内有效抛球。

 

[RobinZ]

通过进行实际的裁判活动，发现球员普遍对最近补救点的概念不是很清楚。下面谈点我自己的理解，如有错误，请各位及时纠正。

1、最近补救点的定义
Nearest Point of Relief
The “nearest point of relief ” is the reference point for taking relief without penalty from interference by an immovable obstruction (Rule 24-2), an abnormal ground condition (Rule 25-1) or a wrong putting green (Rule 25-3).
It is the point on the course nearest to where the ball lies:
(i) that is not nearer the hole, and
(ii) where, if the ball were so positioned, no interference by the condition from which relief is sought would exist for the stroke the player would have made from the original position if the condition were not there.
Note:In order to determine the nearest point of relief accurately, the player should use the club with which he would have made his next stroke if the condition were not there to simulate the address position, direction of play and swing for such a stroke.

第一：不更靠进洞。
第二：从球现在的位置找到免除障碍的最近的补救点。
注解：用下一杆击球的球杆寻找补救点。

根据这两个原则与注解，最近补救点须满足以下条件：
1、 球与洞的连线与球与补救点的连线基本垂直，以保证不更靠近洞且找到数学上的最近点。
2、 球与洞的连线长度与下一杆使用的球杆长度及球员身高有关。
3、 寻找最近补救点时，球(P1)或球员双脚(P3)应该刚刚摆脱不可移动障碍，一般球或脚后跟与障碍之间再留1英尺（一只脚）的距离就可以了。可正常站位与挥杆，以保证“最近”。
4、另外还要注意，左右手选手的选择会有不同。下面是以右手选手为例。

下图中，球停在cart path上B3的位置，P1、P3与P3a都是Relief point。应该选取哪一个呢？

B3到P3的距离比B3到P1的距离短，所以P3是最近补救点。如遇两者距离相等，球员可以任选一个（25-1b/2）。

假如P3是树干或树丛，P3无法测量，只能通过估计确定。（24-2b/3.7）

2、抛球
在最近抛球点一杆身距离内有效抛球（参见规则20），不罚杆。

问题：P3是树丛，一杆内抛球仍在树丛，或在树后，可否延伸到P3a作为最近补救点？
回答：不可以，P3a显然不是“最近”补救点。请注意：补救仅仅可以免除不可移动障碍的影响，而不考虑补救后的位置击球是否有利。当然，大多数情况下补救后击球的确会有利。

问题：既然P3被树木阻挡，是否可以换用P1作为最近补救点？
回答：不可以，因为P1不是最近补救点。

问题：P1是否有可能成为最近补救点？
回答：是的。规则规定，不能在果岭和障碍区进行补救抛球。所以，如果P3是侧面水障碍，P3不再是最近补救点。如果这时测量结果P1成为最近补救点，球员可以在P1一杆身长距离内有效抛球。

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So your Saturday's favourable ruling for me at Meltcalfe i.e. P1为最近补救点, was correct and I should not have felt "guilty" afterall (wasted 2 shots as a result).

 

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So your Saturday's favourable ruling for me at Meltcalfe i.e. P1为最近补救点, was correct and I should not have felt "guilty" afterall (wasted 2 shots as a result).

Actually no. That was a wrong ruling. You shouldn't get the relief from P1 because P3 was not a hazard.

 

[RobinZ]

Actually no. That was a wrong ruling. You shouldn't get the relief from P1 because P3 was not a hazard.

"问题：P1是否有可能成为最近补救点？
回答：是的。规则规定，不能在果岭和障碍区进行补救抛球。所以，如果P3是侧面水障碍，P3不再是最近补救点。如果这时测量结果P1成为最近补救点，球员可以在P1一杆身长距离内有效抛球。"

So if P3 是侧面水障碍，P1可成为最近补救点。但是如果P3处是在树障碍内，one can't get relief from P1。 Very interesting！
To make it more interesting, what if P3 is in 红桩外树林里（by definition, in a hazard area), can he or she get relief from P1? Thanks!

 

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"问题：P1是否有可能成为最近补救点？
回答：是的。规则规定，不能在果岭和障碍区进行补救抛球。所以，如果P3是侧面水障碍，P3不再是最近补救点。如果这时测量结果P1成为最近补救点，球员可以在P1一杆身长距离内有效抛球。"

So if P3 是侧面水障碍，P1可成为最近补救点。但是如果P3处是在树障碍内，one can't get relief from P1。 Very interesting！
To make it more interesting, what if P3 is in 红桩外树林里（by definition, in a hazard area), can he or she get relief from P1? Thanks!

Anywhere in WH, LWH or green, you are not entitled to drop a relief ball. In your question, P3 is not an option so P1 is possible to be the nearest relief point but you have to measure it since the other points are still posssible nearer than P1 such as P2. This is not a proper drawing but shows the possibility.