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奥巴马说中国欺负南海弱小国家，结果英国网民回复……
时间：2015-04
大家都知道最近中国在南海有争议岛礁上填海造岛，昨天奥巴马开声了，说“中国不应当把因南海发生争端的邻国硬挤到一旁。应该停止欺负旁边的弱小国家”。不过这篇新闻发在英国卫报后，英国人——美国最忠实的盟友，似乎有话说……
时间：2015-04
大家都知道最近中国在南海有争议岛礁上填海造岛，昨天奥巴马开声了，说“中国不应当把因南海发生争端的邻国硬挤到一旁。应该停止欺负旁边的弱小国家”。不过这篇新闻发在英国卫报后，英国人——美国最忠实的盟友，似乎有话说……
FalmerSwanning
2h ago
01
It's perfectly reasonable for China to exert influence and power in the region and throughout the seas bearing its name. Spheres of interest, spheres of influence.
This is what nations do. It's pretty much what they're for. Maintaining, developing and extending the national interest.
- JMWong
9h ago
01
China is an eternal country; the US is a transient country. In one hundred years, the US will no longer be a country, but China will still exist one thousand years from now. The Americans are like the Mongols one thousamd years ago. The Mongols became a poowerful, dominating power for four hundred years and then disappeared. The Americans too will disappear in one hundred years.
- Singlecells
12h ago
01
As China is willing to destroy coral reefs, on what it claims is its home territory, what do they care about the natural environment in other countries where they have infrastructure contracts.- quarrytone Singlecells
10h ago
23
Nice try, now off you go and search US military environment damage, coral reef destruction, China's little effort is a pip squeak by comparison. I like the spin though, like I said, good effort.
- quarrytone Singlecells
- Skookum1
17h ago
12
does the US *really* have "military superiority in the region"? Seems an odd statement given the size of the Chinese military. While the South China Sea may not be legitimately a "Chinese lake", it's also certainly not an "American lake" and the US doesn't have the forces in the region that it once had, nor the bases in Thailand and the Philippines it once had either.
And we've seen Vietnam whup China's ass at least once (1979), it's not like a small country can't perform as a militarily superior force.
Chinese bullying, American strutting about its own "superiority in the region" raises the old question - which pan-Asianism had challenged during the "East Asian Co-Prosperity Sphere" of the Japanese Empire's expansion in the '40s - as to why America should even be in the Orient as a regional presence at all.
I'm not saying let the Chinese have the Spratlys, not at all. And it's not like the Philippines or Taiwan wouldn't be overrun by the Chinese in the last decades if the US hadn't been out there saying "don't", but the pat statement that the US has military superiority in the region is a bit dubious. And given what the US military presence has done in the MidEast, it's not like it's a naturally stabilizing force anywhere it goes. Once upon a time, Soviet support for Vietnam kept both China and the US at bay from direct attack on North Vietnam
One thing I'd be this is doing is pushing the ASEAN countries into a regional military alliance; an alliance of not very reputable governments true, but with a lot of firepower between them. Whether they could resist an overt Chinese putsch on their own is unknown....but the US buzzing planes into Chinese airspace as a way to conduct diplomatic pressure is not wise or productive. The US is better at making enemies than friends lately, and most of the region's governments aren't all that friendly to the US.- steady2 Skookum1
15h ago
34
Once upon a time, Soviet support for Vietnam kept both China and the US at bay from direct attack on North Vietnam...
The US began a bombing campaign of North Vietnam from 1965 to 1968 and again in 1972, during which time Vietnam received the support from both the Soviet Union and China. In 1979 Chinese troops crossed the Northern Vietnamese border to 'punish' Vietnam and a three week was fought. At no stage could the Soviets have any effect or provide any deterrence factor.
One thing I'd be this is doing is pushing the ASEAN countries into a regional military alliance; an alliance of not very reputable governments true, but with a lot of firepower between them...
An alliance directed at China? You will get the Philippines and possibly Vietnam, that will be it. What are they going to do? Attack Chinese bases in the South China Sea? Attack the Chinese mainland?
Whether they could resist an overt Chinese putsch on their own is unknown...
A putsch is another word for a coup d'etat which involves directly or indirectly the military of the country concerned. China has no influence in the military of any of the ASEAN countries. If you are suggesting an invasion by China!! Against whom? the Philippines? what on earth for? China does not want war with any of those nations nor with the US. They want to grab the South China Sea as does another five nations and Taiwan.
- macel388 steady2
13h ago
12
"Once upon a time, Soviet support for Vietnam kept both China and the US at bay from direct attack on North Vietnam"
Read "Chinese Support for North Vietnam during the Vietnam War: The Decisive Edge" in MilitaryHistoryOnline.com by Bob Seals, a retired Special Forces officer, if you want to know what happened "once upon a time" in Vietnam. Here is an extract:-
"In conclusion, as we can see from the considerable historical material outlined above, the military support provided by the People’s Republic of China, to include advisors, equipment and combat troops, was the decisive factor for the Communist Democratic Republic of Vietnam prevailing during 1949-1975 in both the First and Second Vietnam Wars. The small arms, mortars, ammunition, uniforms, tanks, artillery, radars, anti-aircraft guns, jet aircraft, trucks, and naval vessels were critical in the North Vietnamese struggle. However, what was even more critical and normally not acknowledged in the laundry list of war material is the psychological and strategic advantage provided by Communist China’s pledge to intervene in the advent of a United States invasion of North Vietnam, and communicating that pledge to the U.S. This strategic advantage in effect cannot be overstated."
http://www.militaryhistoryonline.com/20thcentury/articles/chinesesupport.aspx
- steady2 macel388
13h ago
12
Thanks for the interesting history and the link. I knew China provided stuff and I knew that almost all the artillery used at Dien Bien Phu had been given to the Viet Minh by China but the remaining listed is a lot more than I had estimated. In Hanoi at the Vietnam National Museum of the Revolution there is no mention of any assistance given by China (at least when I was last there - 1999).
- steady2 Skookum1
- macel388
18h ago
45
USA has bullied Cuba for more than 50 years, and is now bullying Venezuela.
It's not just bullying, many non-compliant governments in Central and South America and around the world were toppled by USA in the past 60 years.
- justice_first
18h ago
23
It is very unwise for Obama to use such accusation of bullying on China. This will only demonstrate his own ignorance and lack of good judgment as a world leader, to lead the world for the next 100 years. The US has used the Monroe Doctrine to warn off all other western powers, and been able to bully the countries both in North and South America ever since. Cuba is a pretty good example, for the last 50 years.
- ComChi
20h ago
12
All politicians bash China in timely fashion. For OB, from "Chang", "yes, we can" to a lame duck; From famous Philadelphia speech to Cairo speech to noble peace price to now a almost war monger, OB has prove himself nothing but ordinary, disappointing and a bit desperate.
- dats_wat_I_say
23h ago
910
So all the claimants save for Brunei are building fortified bases on their part of the Spratlys, but only China is bad because it's doing the same?
Is it because they're doing it faster?- ashleyhk dats_wat_I_say
7h ago
01
Only China claims ownership of 90% of the South China Sea and is building on other countries territory i.e. inside their EEZ.
- quarrytone ashleyhk
7h ago
01
This is what happens when you read a biased press, you get a one eyed view.
Most all the countries involved have overlapping claims with each other, not just with China, and they are all building on reefs and islets, if anything China is late to the party.
I notice unlike even the US you are not neutral on the disputes like the West generally, but actively support the small states. Problem is, which smaller state do you support when their claims contradict another smaller state? But do go ahead and completely swallow the Pentagon propaganda, I see with the above article you have opened wide and its digesting nicely.
- ashleyhk dats_wat_I_say
- a_Japanese_citizen
1d ago
23
There is big trend of Chinese setback.
China lost N. Korea, Cuba, Sri Lanka, and now losing Vietnam. In next year Taiwan's election, highly likely, China will lose its United Front partner KMT.
Japan should give Vietnam old P-3C, or sell new Kawasaki P-1 to support Vietnam Navy.- Ying Jiang a_Japanese_citizen
1d ago
78
No matter how hard your country tried to play a important role in international politics they are just meaningless. Unless you people can really show some respect to history and understand what your country did in SWW.
- a_Japanese_citizen Ying Jiang
24h ago
01
You should look at the reality.
China is now losing Vietnam.
For instance, see the following article.
"A Breakthrough in US- Vietnam Relations"
http://thediplomat.com/2015/04/a-breakthrough-in-us-vietnam-relations/
- steady2 Ying Jiang
24h ago
23
Just because people put a city or country or even a name as their avatar name does not mean they are from that area. Of course I am the Outlaw Josey Wales.
- Ying Jiang a_Japanese_citizen
- Bogdanich
1d ago
67
I wonder in anyone every considers the comments to articles like this? Poll takers, psychiatrists, propagandists others. If they do they would see that the result is remarkably uniform. Personally I think American leaders are so isolated that they have absolutely no idea what's going on under them. As to the article itself it's dreadful in it's lack of context or explanation but that's pretty standard when propagating the pronouncements issuing forth from the paramount leader.
- shakur_420
1d ago
1112
That's rich. Obama complainig that somebody else is violating international "norms" and using it's "muscles" to bully the weak.
- Jeffrey_Harrison
1d ago
89
Mr. Obama, meet kettle. As the good book says, remove the beam from thine eye before complaining about the mote in mine.
- CantRecallThat
1d ago
23
I see the CCP trolls are working over time in the comments section again.- canbeanybody CantRecallThat
1d ago
1011
If you have a valid point what can stop you from making it?
The only troll appears to be yourself, with no valid point and you also know it, but just happy to be stuck in the past.
- ShanghaiGuy canbeanybody
7h ago
01
Lol, i am sorry but for you too accuse someone of being stuck in the past is delicious irony... you still talk like you are reading Mao's read book in a field before working on your duties in the collective comrade.. thanks about first time you've ever made me smile...
- canbeanybody CantRecallThat
- bigishwilly
1d ago
1112
Everyone else says US bullying smaller nations with it's military bases everywhere from okinawa to jeju
- PullingTheStrings
1d ago
78
Similar to the Cuba missile crisis again where the US had about 10 bases with missiles and cries about 1 in Cuba but US vs China this time round and US Bases in Asia surrounding China being apart of their "Asia Pivot" because god forbid another country taking the US's position from the top so they will use all the underhanded tactics EG War, False Flag Situations, CIA Organized protestors (Usually the most impressionable Uni Students) for regime changes or a plain coup d'etat just so they are seen as the best.
- thankgodimanatheist
1d ago
23
If only these big hegemonic nations (USA, China, Russia, Israel, the old colonial nations of Europe) would treat others the way they want their competitors behave.
No doubt Obama is right about China bulling smaller nations. How does it go about taking one to know one.....
- Babeouf
1d ago
1112
'Obama says China bullying smaller nations in South China Sea ' but on the plus side 'United States bullies them everywhere else. O'bomber denies that there is a bullies gap'
- Lafcadio1944
1d ago
1415
As president Obama has bombed 7 nations. Obama also uses drones which like all other weapons kill far more innocent civilians than so called terrorists. So, how many nations is China bombing surrounding as the US Empire has encircled China and Russia? So, how many nations are being threatened with encirclement with nuclear weapons by China?
The US Empire is and has been for many years the greatest cause of human suffering the world has ever known. It is an Empire which claims the right to operate above both international and domestic law. It tortures, kidnaps, rapes, maims, and produces all manor of human suffering for its own power and "interests"
Obama himself is protecting torturers from prosecution which is a crime in international law.
Obama and the US have absolutely no moral or any other proper grounds to criticize China for what it does in the waters around it. China is working with and negotiating with Japan and other nations in Asia to resolve issues. It is not bombing 7 nations it is not bullying any nation. The real bully is the US Neoliberal Empire who claims the entire planet its own battlefield claiming the right to kill anyone anywhere anytime for the sake of its "security"
The US Neoliberal Empire has no business in the East or South China Seas, it is not their neighborhood and they have no right to interfere.
This is all about the Obama doctrine which is "Global full spectrum domination"- kreltogs Lafcadio1944
1d ago
78
Well said.
- Patrick Cheung Lafcadio1944
1d ago
23
AGREE!!!!
- Xiantong Zhen Lafcadio1944
1d ago
12
Fair comments!...Totally agree!
- kreltogs Lafcadio1944
- Surendar Advani
1d ago
12
try to resolve issues peacefully
- richardbj
1d ago
34
Following the example of the US leader of the free world then (and of course the leader of the unfree Russia). Big countries bully small countries, big multi-nationals bully small communities - humanity seems unable to rise above the behaviours of the schoolyard...
- Celtiberico
1d ago
34
It would be hugely ironic if rising sea-levels made any such investment redundant...- Gemenr Celtiberico
1d ago
01
Especially that this is all about oil. Nice comment.
- Celtiberico Gemenr
1d ago
01
And given that the US and China, who both aim to dominate the Pacific, are such major contributors to carbon emissions...
- Gemenr Celtiberico
- ted dolan
1d ago
910
Remember OBOMBUS saying Big nations shouldn't bully smaller nations!!!! He just drones and bombs them if they are muslim or Russian!!!!
- 1d ago
1213
I really wonder what all the fuss is about as to who owns the South China Sea (SCS) and the land features there. If you look at the facts of the Chinese migration history in South Asia, you have to admit that the Chinese have been very active in the SCS since hundreds and hundreds years ago. Just look at the overseas Chinese in Vietnam, in the Philippines, in Malaysia, in Thailand, in Indonesia, not to mention in Singapore. The funding father of Singapore, Lee Kwang Yew, was even a Chinese descendant himself. All those tens of millions of Chinese ancestors did not get there on foot, or by car, by airplane, or by magic. They got there by sailing across the rough waters of the SCS. They had actively used the SCS as their fishing grounds. They had used the SCS land features as their safe heavens from storms, as their processing/re-supply stations during their fishing trip or as mid-way staging stations in their migration to South Asia. People may hate to use the term "China lake" to describe the SCS, but unfortunately it is a fact from the historical point of view. Besides, all the other claimants like the Philipines, Vietnam, Malasia, Brunei, and Indonesia were still under colonial rules of western powers when the Chinese ancestors had claimed the SCS and its land features. Besides, it is the Chinese who took them back from the Japanese occupation after World War II. Although I myself don't have a passion in communism or with communist regimes, but this is the history, and this is the fact. I just can't deny these facts when they are so obviously presenting themselves before my eyes.- quarrytone ottawachan
1d ago
89
What a refreshingly original point of view on this topic, truly thought provoking.
- lesmandalasdeniki ottawachan
1d ago
12
I beg to disagree, I searched the history of Austronesia, it's our language.
- lesmandalasdeniki ottawachan
1d ago
12
Sorry, I forgot to point out my claim, I am a Filipina living in Bali. My family name is Portillo, the island where the Spaniards first set foot was the neighboring island where my father's family originated from.
As a Southeast Asian, I have learned the Austronesian roots with their distinctive language and dialect, the 9th century Laguna copperplate inscription found in Manila Bay, Philippines has revealed the 9th century Old Javanese text and similar to the spoken modern Indonesia.
- quarrytone ottawachan
- uzzername
1d ago
45
US president Barack Obama said Washington is concerned China is using its “sheer size and muscle” to push around smaller nations in the South China Sea.
While the new islands will not overturn US military superiority in the region, experts have said would allow Beijing to project power deep into the maritime heart of Southeast Asia.
Well that says it all, really.
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